UPDATED!Corrected the year the Ghost came from, I incorrectly recalled it as 2049 instead of 2091. Section 6 was…
I think she said that she was born in 2049 and that she came back from 2091. Whatever if the date she was born way to late which means that she was born in an non destroyed world. Because in the no Grid world she simply doesn't exist.
Updated: corrected the year 2049 to 2091 (also corrected Section 6). I remembered incorrectly the year the Ghost…
> She is not. At least as far as the show has revealed, the time travel mechanics in the show is not based on the MWI (many-worlds interpretation) theory. In the Grid, there is only one timeline. If a time traveler changes something in a time period they are not supposed to be at (relatively speaking), it changes their own reality. No branch of time/universe is created by their actions.<
Yes but the Ghost is not already in the no Grid time line. So she is not already in the same time line. She is definitely coming from a destroyed world otherwise she wouldn't have had a reason to go back in time to give them the Grid.
> == Yes, it's what I said. ^_^
I was making a summary of what you've said.
> Good point. However, as I explained, the possible scenario between 2021 and 2091 is that when the Grid failed it was irreparable. It is not something that they can fix even if they have an advance knowledge. There are two things happening in that scenario: 1. The Grid was based on technology so old (1997-2005) they can not do anything with it. This actually happens in real life, even to this very day, there simply are old technologies that we can not upgrade. 1a. They could've had replaced it. But we can suspect that a replacement was not prepared at all -- humans are like that especially when economies, politics, and the military, are concerned. We tend to think "we'll cross the bridge when we get there" but by the time we do cross the bridge, it is too late. Those people who think "prevention is better than cure" were probably blocked by those countries and financiers who only care about themselves and their money. 1b. Going back to 1997 is much better, quicker, and safer, than changing the minds of politicians and those with the money to help build a replacement.<
Even if that was the case they would be able to fix it because they had already advanced the technology that the Ghost gave them back in 1997. Sae Ha said upon arriving the first time in 1997 and saw her typing the code in the pc that they didn't use anymore this software. And the manager in the lab ( that one that was killed ) said the same. That they had advanced the technology in between. So it wasn't like they didn't have the means to fix the Grid and at the end of the day they didn't have a reason to update that much that technology as the solar flare didn't change. The Grid was there to protect them from the same thing probably a collapse of the Earth's magnetic shield.
> 2. They are advance in their science and technology knowledge that they can not understand how old science and technology works. This also happens in real life. Good examples are the pyramids in Egypt and Greek Fire. We still do not understand how the pyramids at Giza, and the Greek Fire were built/made. We are too advance in our S&T that we can't unlock the secrets of a "primitive" civilization.<
In less than a century...?
> If another time traveler was the source of the first iteration of the Grid, and then s/he fixed it, then yes, there is no reason for that time traveller--or any time traveller for that matter--to go back to 1997. If no time traveller go back to 1997, then the Grid will not be installed. This is called a grandfather paradox. To prevent a grandfather paradox, the writer needs to make a reason for time travellers to go back to 1997 and install the Grid.<
That is exactly my point. The story line falls in the grandfather paradox. The writer hasn't shown that damn reason yet and the disappearance of the Ghost made the things more complicated, (for him... not for us lol).
> That reason is, again just a theory, the Grid failed sometime between 2021 and 2091 and it is irreparable. By 2091, they have a reason to send someone back in 1997 to install the Grid (possibly a better version). But it is always failing between 2021 and 2091, so once again, by 2091 a time traveler is sent back to 1997. A constant loop, and it is the only way to 2091 and the Ghost to exist.
I've wrote it on my previous comment. Even if that is the case the Ghost didn't have any reason to travel that back in time to reinstall the primitive version of the Grid. They had already taken this technology, used it and advanced it. It would have been more effective if she traveled a year or some days before the collapse of the Grid to ( sudo apt-get ha ha ha ) update upgrade their software to prevent the collapse.
> As I've explained, the Ghost did not come from the "no grid" reality. In episode 7, she disappeared when she failed to install the grid.
And she definitely didn't come from a possible collapse of the Grid as you assumed that it happened between 2021 and 2091. The/any failure to install the Grid and pass the information to the 1997 scientists for further development, means that she couldn't be born in 2049 which means that she or her family were impacted from the failure of the first installation and not from a collapse of the Grid that might have happened afterwards. She was born way to late to say it otherwise.
> The only possible explanation currently is the writer is also using the fictional "time bubble" theory. > a. In episode 7, she disappeared after she was distracted. Meaning, there is only a fix time window to install the Grid.<
No this can't be the case as I explained above. She was born way to late. The failure to install the Grid and her followed disappearance means that she or her parents were affected by the solar flare. She disappeared because she wasn't born because her parents were killed or became sterilized due to radiation.
> b. In the earlier episodes, she was caught in CCTVs in various laboratories around the world, installing the Grid. They figured out that all her appearances in the CCTV were on the exact same time. This supports the possibility that there is only a fix window to install the Grid.<
Why? Any time prior to the collapse of the Earth's magnetic field would have been just fine. She could travel at any time she wanted with the device.
> So, when she got distracted by the emotional outburst of SH, she failed to install the grid in that "time bubble" (the fix time window). By failing, her "grid" reality" disappeared because she doesn't exist in the "no grid" reality. I think what you are asking is: if she does not exist in the "no grid" reality, then how come SH still have a time travel device?<
That among other things but what I'm saying is that if she doesn't exist in the " no grid " reality then she can't go back in time to give them the Grid. But she does exist in the "no grid" time line, and that is her motive to go back to give them the Grid and when she fails to do so she just disappears! This doesn't make sense because it is certain that she does exist in the "no Grid " reality.
> ==I did not explain that in detail in my original post. Here are the possible reasons why: > 1. In fiction, it is a common trope that a time travel device (a portable one usually), once invented will always exist no matter if the cause of its creation was stopped. > 2. Another common trope is, when non-living things are carried through time, even if the person who brought it was erased from reality, since it is a non-living thing, it will stay where it is. Only the living things (the time traveler in this case) will disappear. If you combine #1 and #2, then it's a very solid reason why SH still have the portable time travel device even after the Ghost disappeared.<
I don't think that this works this way because in order for SH to get the device she should exist in the first place in the "no Grid" world. But the writer showed us in this episode that she doesn't because when she failed to install the Grid she just disappeared. If she doesn't exist in destroyed world she can't go back in the past to give him the device.
> 3. Another trope, though not popular, the time travel device still exist because in the "no grid" reality, the device also exist. It was probably invented and created in 2090s. It is even possible it was created in 2424 (it does not matter when it was invented). As long as time travel is possible, the portable device will exist. It does not matter how SH acquired it as long as the device was still invented. This prevents a time paradox. <
I 've mentioned that in my previous comment. The device didn't came from the non destroyed world, by the time that the Ghost lady manage to install the Grid once. From this point and on they had the technology to save the world. The Ghost lady had no reason to travel back to teach them how to operate the Grid. But on the other hand she doesn't exist in the destroyed world either in order to have the motive to use the device and go back to teach them how to make the Grid. That is the paradox no 2.
Updated: corrected the year 2049 to 2091 (also corrected Section 6). I remembered incorrectly the year the Ghost…
Your analysis is great but doesn't explain the following two time travel paradoxes that look more like plot holes.
The first one is that the Ghost can't be in a hundred time lines simultaneously because she is the same person holding the same device and the same implant. Sae Ha took her time travel device and her implant and left her at 2021.
She met her again back in 1997, where she was trying to install the Grid and by preventing her from installing it, he made her disappear causing a completely different version of the word from 2005 and onward, the destroyed one that needs a time travel and a Grid in order to prevent its destruction. So her disappearance means that in the destroyed version of the world. the Ghost lady doesn't even exist, and that is the reason why she disappears in the past, though her "presence" is needed in order to travel back in time to attempt to install the Grid.
But even if she succeeded, she wouldn't be needed in the first place, to travel back in time to install the Grid again and again in a time loop, because the world would have been going on normally and even in the case that the Grid failed at some future point, the Ghost shouldn't go that far back in time, at 1997 to install it again, as the first time that she did so was enough to give them the information and the technology that they needed to fix the Grid even if it failed.
So to conclude. There are two versions of the world. 1/The normal one with the Grid that was installed by someone who came from a destroyed world, installed it and gave them this way the information to save the world. But if the world wasn't destroyed the time traveler wouldn't have a reason to go back and save the world in the first place.
And
2/ The destroyed world without the Grid that needs someone from the destroyed world to go back and install it. But if the time traveler fails to install the Grid then she disappears so probably she doesn't exist in the destroyed world.
In the first case scenario she has no reason to travel back in time. In the second case scenario she doesn't even exist in order to do so.
Why did I have the notion that he was already married...? lol ( I have obviously lost completely the plot with their marriages... ha ha ha ) Anyway. Congratulations!
One of the best review I read! (with mine, ofc, ahah).
Thank you but I didn't write it as a review in the first place, because this drama has so many reviews already. It is just my opinion about a drama that I liked but I'm still not that certain why I liked it. loool From the technical aspect point of view is not that good. But it is a case study of how the actors can impact a production when they like the concept. It is like watching some kind of live improvising theater performance, that works because the actors interact so well. The SL couple in particular were sooo good that they cast them on their own drama. You know... the sexy, insecure and somewhat cynical due to her experiences woman, with the aloof and inexperienced hot guy. She is trying to seduce him and he runs to hide because he doesn't know how to deal with her though he likes her making her banging her head on the wall... loooool
WHAT??!!! WTF was that latex prosthetic make up that Lin Xiang removed from his face at the 17th minute of the movie?! Latex make up prosthetics were first appeared at the Wisard of Oz 1939 Hollywood movie as a rather experimental ( and somewhat failed ) showing off of the high budget of that production because they were that much expensive to make them.
Prosthetics of that kind were unknown in the rest of the world, let alone available to the whatever Chinese agents at 1937's occupied by Japanese Shanghai. Also the airplane mode jumps in fighting scenes are a bit off for such a kind of drama.
1. "Time doesn't flow"- I am suspecting that they're using the real-world theory that the "all time is 'present…
I don't doubt that is a real scientific theory. It is that I'm an artist and I'm not particularly interested in scientific matters. But my opinion about time is the one above. And even if Time did exist it wouldn't be linear but spiral. Because our planet that we use as the standard to count our time ( invention) is spiraling in the universe. It doesn't make circles neither goes straight. So the spot theory wouldn't be applicable in this case. But Time doesn't exist at all. Talking about spirals Nature generally speaking, doesn't like Geometry, straight lines, perfect circles and ellipses, cones and squares. These are also inventions for our convenience. The Universe btw is made by energy and not by matter. There is no such thing as Matter. We are made of energy and we possess the ability to receive, process, produce and give out energy. Our thoughts are made by biochemical energy.
1. "Time doesn't flow"- I am suspecting that they're using the real-world theory that the "all time is 'present…
Interesting theory that it could be valid if Time existed in the first place. But time doesn't actually exists ( and this my theory) because it is not actually needed in the Universe. It is us that we created the idea of Time because we are the ones who have a limited life length and we need to count our days in this place that we live ( this planet). What is the purpose of Time in the context of an immortal, infinite non ending universe? None.
I just watched ep 6 and i'm so confused. So she is from the future? But why is she in their time, and what does…
Don't break your mind because Time doesn't actually exist in the first place! So it is not the time that passes. We are those who pass through Times...! ( an inspired piece of early morning Philosophy while I see the BS finale of this drama coming! ) looool
Yes but the Ghost is not already in the no Grid time line. So she is not already in the same time line. She is definitely coming from a destroyed world otherwise she wouldn't have had a reason to go back in time to give them the Grid.
> == Yes, it's what I said. ^_^
I was making a summary of what you've said.
> Good point. However, as I explained, the possible scenario between 2021 and 2091 is that when the Grid failed it was irreparable. It is not something that they can fix even if they have an advance knowledge.
There are two things happening in that scenario:
1. The Grid was based on technology so old (1997-2005) they can not do anything with it. This actually happens in real life, even to this very day, there simply are old technologies that we can not upgrade.
1a. They could've had replaced it. But we can suspect that a replacement was not prepared at all -- humans are like that especially when economies, politics, and the military, are concerned. We tend to think "we'll cross the bridge when we get there" but by the time we do cross the bridge, it is too late. Those people who think "prevention is better than cure" were probably blocked by those countries and financiers who only care about themselves and their money.
1b. Going back to 1997 is much better, quicker, and safer, than changing the minds of politicians and those with the money to help build a replacement.<
Even if that was the case they would be able to fix it because they had already advanced the technology that the Ghost gave them back in 1997. Sae Ha said upon arriving the first time in 1997 and saw her typing the code in the pc that they didn't use anymore this software. And the manager in the lab ( that one that was killed ) said the same. That they had advanced the technology in between. So it wasn't like they didn't have the means to fix the Grid and at the end of the day they didn't have a reason to update that much that technology as the solar flare didn't change. The Grid was there to protect them from the same thing probably a collapse of the Earth's magnetic shield.
> 2. They are advance in their science and technology knowledge that they can not understand how old science and technology works. This also happens in real life. Good examples are the pyramids in Egypt and Greek Fire. We still do not understand how the pyramids at Giza, and the Greek Fire were built/made. We are too advance in our S&T that we can't unlock the secrets of a "primitive" civilization.<
In less than a century...?
> If another time traveler was the source of the first iteration of the Grid, and then s/he fixed it, then yes, there is no reason for that time traveller--or any time traveller for that matter--to go back to 1997. If no time traveller go back to 1997, then the Grid will not be installed. This is called a grandfather paradox. To prevent a grandfather paradox, the writer needs to make a reason for time travellers to go back to 1997 and install the Grid.<
That is exactly my point. The story line falls in the grandfather paradox. The writer hasn't shown that damn reason yet and the disappearance of the Ghost made the things more complicated, (for him... not for us lol).
> That reason is, again just a theory, the Grid failed sometime between 2021 and 2091 and it is irreparable. By 2091, they have a reason to send someone back in 1997 to install the Grid (possibly a better version). But it is always failing between 2021 and 2091, so once again, by 2091 a time traveler is sent back to 1997. A constant loop, and it is the only way to 2091 and the Ghost to exist.
I've wrote it on my previous comment. Even if that is the case the Ghost didn't have any reason to travel that back in time to reinstall the primitive version of the Grid. They had already taken this technology, used it and advanced it.
It would have been more effective if she traveled a year or some days before the collapse of the Grid to ( sudo apt-get ha ha ha ) update upgrade their software to prevent the collapse.
> As I've explained, the Ghost did not come from the "no grid" reality. In episode 7, she disappeared when she failed to install the grid.
And she definitely didn't come from a possible collapse of the Grid as you assumed that it happened between 2021 and 2091. The/any failure to install the Grid and pass the information to the 1997 scientists for further development, means that she couldn't be born in 2049 which means that she or her family were impacted from the failure of the first installation and not from a collapse of the Grid that might have happened afterwards. She was born way to late to say it otherwise.
> The only possible explanation currently is the writer is also using the fictional "time bubble" theory.
> a. In episode 7, she disappeared after she was distracted. Meaning, there is only a fix time window to install the Grid.<
No this can't be the case as I explained above. She was born way to late. The failure to install the Grid and her followed disappearance means that she or her parents were affected by the solar flare. She disappeared because she wasn't born because her parents were killed or became sterilized due to radiation.
> b. In the earlier episodes, she was caught in CCTVs in various laboratories around the world, installing the Grid. They figured out that all her appearances in the CCTV were on the exact same time. This supports the possibility that there is only a fix window to install the Grid.<
Why? Any time prior to the collapse of the Earth's magnetic field would have been just fine. She could travel at any time she wanted with the device.
> So, when she got distracted by the emotional outburst of SH, she failed to install the grid in that "time bubble" (the fix time window). By failing, her "grid" reality" disappeared because she doesn't exist in the "no grid" reality.
I think what you are asking is: if she does not exist in the "no grid" reality, then how come SH still have a time travel device?<
That among other things but what I'm saying is that if she doesn't exist in the " no grid " reality then she can't go back in time to give them the Grid. But she does exist in the "no grid" time line, and that is her motive to go back to give them the Grid and when she fails to do so she just disappears! This doesn't make sense because it is certain that she does exist in the "no Grid " reality.
> ==I did not explain that in detail in my original post. Here are the possible reasons why:
> 1. In fiction, it is a common trope that a time travel device (a portable one usually), once invented will always exist no matter if the cause of its creation was stopped.
> 2. Another common trope is, when non-living things are carried through time, even if the person who brought it was erased from reality, since it is a non-living thing, it will stay where it is. Only the living things (the time traveler in this case) will disappear. If you combine #1 and #2, then it's a very solid reason why SH still have the portable time travel device even after the Ghost disappeared.<
I don't think that this works this way because in order for SH to get the device she should exist in the first place in the "no Grid" world. But the writer showed us in this episode that she doesn't because when she failed to install the Grid she just disappeared. If she doesn't exist in destroyed world she can't go back in the past to give him the device.
> 3. Another trope, though not popular, the time travel device still exist because in the "no grid" reality, the device also exist. It was probably invented and created in 2090s. It is even possible it was created in 2424 (it does not matter when it was invented). As long as time travel is possible, the portable device will exist. It does not matter how SH acquired it as long as the device was still invented. This prevents a time paradox. <
I 've mentioned that in my previous comment. The device didn't came from the non destroyed world, by the time that the Ghost lady manage to install the Grid once. From this point and on they had the technology to save the world. The Ghost lady had no reason to travel back to teach them how to operate the Grid. But on the other hand she doesn't exist in the destroyed world either in order to have the motive to use the device and go back to teach them how to make the Grid. That is the paradox no 2.
Brace for finale impact!! ha ha haaaaaaaa
The first one is that the Ghost can't be in a hundred time lines simultaneously because she is the same person holding the same device and the same implant.
Sae Ha took her time travel device and her implant and left her at 2021.
She met her again back in 1997, where she was trying to install the Grid and by preventing her from installing it, he made her disappear causing a completely different version of the word from 2005 and onward, the destroyed one that needs a time travel and a Grid in order to prevent its destruction.
So her disappearance means that in the destroyed version of the world. the Ghost lady doesn't even exist, and that is the reason why she disappears in the past, though her "presence" is needed in order to travel back in time to attempt to install the Grid.
But even if she succeeded, she wouldn't be needed in the first place, to travel back in time to install the Grid again and again in a time loop, because the world would have been going on normally and even in the case that the Grid failed at some future point, the Ghost shouldn't go that far back in time, at 1997 to install it again, as the first time that she did so was enough to give them the information and the technology that they needed to fix the Grid even if it failed.
So to conclude.
There are two versions of the world.
1/The normal one with the Grid that was installed by someone who came from a destroyed world, installed it and gave them this way the information to save the world. But if the world wasn't destroyed the time traveler wouldn't have a reason to go back and save the world in the first place.
And
2/ The destroyed world without the Grid that needs someone from the destroyed world to go back and install it.
But if the time traveler fails to install the Grid then she disappears so probably she doesn't exist in the destroyed world.
In the first case scenario she has no reason to travel back in time. In the second case scenario she doesn't even exist in order to do so.
( I have obviously lost completely the plot with their marriages... ha ha ha )
Anyway. Congratulations!
It is just my opinion about a drama that I liked but I'm still not that certain why I liked it. loool
From the technical aspect point of view is not that good. But it is a case study of how the actors can impact a production when they like the concept. It is like watching some kind of live improvising theater performance, that works because the actors interact so well.
The SL couple in particular were sooo good that they cast them on their own drama. You know... the sexy, insecure and somewhat cynical due to her experiences woman, with the aloof and inexperienced hot guy. She is trying to seduce him and he runs to hide because he doesn't know how to deal with her though he likes her making her banging her head on the wall... loooool
Latex make up prosthetics were first appeared at the Wisard of Oz 1939 Hollywood movie as a rather experimental ( and somewhat failed ) showing off of the high budget of that production because they were that much expensive to make them.
Prosthetics of that kind were unknown in the rest of the world, let alone available to the whatever Chinese agents at 1937's occupied by Japanese Shanghai.
Also the airplane mode jumps in fighting scenes are a bit off for such a kind of drama.
But it was really good. I liked it.
But my opinion about time is the one above. And even if Time did exist it wouldn't be linear but spiral. Because our planet that we use as the standard to count our time ( invention) is spiraling in the universe. It doesn't make circles neither goes straight. So the spot theory wouldn't be applicable in this case. But Time doesn't exist at all.
Talking about spirals Nature generally speaking, doesn't like Geometry, straight lines, perfect circles and ellipses, cones and squares. These are also inventions for our convenience.
The Universe btw is made by energy and not by matter. There is no such thing as Matter. We are made of energy and we possess the ability to receive, process, produce and give out energy.
Our thoughts are made by biochemical energy.
But time doesn't actually exists ( and this my theory) because it is not actually needed in the Universe. It is us that we created the idea of Time because we are the ones who have a limited life length and we need to count our days in this place that we live ( this planet).
What is the purpose of Time in the context of an immortal, infinite non ending universe?
None.