GoodRick

Can someone confirm if this is Wuxia? If yes, how are the fight scenes? Good or Bad?

I'm currently watching this drama and so far so good. Can you recommend more Korean dramas? I have watched Crash Landing on You, The Reply Trilogy, Something in the Rain, One Spring Night.

Because there are a lot of aspects to a drama and it is a very broad, sweeping statement to make when you reject a drama solely based on same-sex romance and if that is your only criteria to reject it then that has a homophobic ring to it.

When someone attacks me, I attack back. I don't turn the other cheek and take BS from people like you. If you want to express your opinion that's good. Don't falsely attack and accuse others of complaining. And just for the record since you don't know me, no, I'm not a victim. I'm a survivor.

I was merely expressing my opinion because in my mind it does meet the textbook definition of Queerbaiting. I understand people disagree with that opinion and that is fine. I would even call it healthy. But for you to willfully twist my post and characterize that I am "complaining" is quite shameful. My post was not meant to be a complaint. In fact quite the opposite because I totally understand why they did what they did because of censorship rules and I even acknowledged that. I understand their motives for Queerbaiting, but it doesn't change the fact that it is what it is. So I was just stating that as a matter of fact, not a complain. I love this show and crazy about it.

I don't understand how we got like this. People getting persecuted for expressing their opinions. I got called small-minded, someone who is attacking the crew and the cast, someone who is from the west and does anything I want, complaining, etc. I really thought this forum was a safe space for respectful debates and opinions without resorting to hateful attacks and name-calling. Thank you for opening my eyes and proving me wrong.

Agreed. Definitely no GOT style red wedding. I just thought it was completely unnecessary for the advancement of the story and just did not fit in. But that is just my opinion.

Oh I think there is definite room for improvement. WOH is supposed to be a Wuxia drama, but you expect a Wuxia drama to have great fighting scenes and that is one area that WOH falls remarkably short. Don't get me wrong, I love WOH and I'm crazy about it, but it just doesn't have those great fight scenes which is a necessary hallmark for a great Wuxia show. So yeah, as good as WOH is there is definitely room for improvement.

Ewwww. LOL.

I think you are referring to Legend of Zu Mountain and yes, that is a drama but it is NOT Wuxia. It is Xianxia.

Why? Aren't there literally like countless drama adaptations of the Return of the Condor Heroes already out there for everyone to watch?

Over the years there have been countless C-drama adaptations of Jin Yong's novels. The Condor Trilogy (The Legend of the Condor Heroes, The Return of the Condor Heroes, The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber), Demi-Gods and Semi-Devils, The Smiling Proud Wanderer, etc to name a few. I hope that there are more remakes and adaptations of Word Of Honor and The Untamed in the future. Maybe just wishful thinking on my part. Does anyone feel strongly one way or the other if there should be future remakes of some of these BL novels and what is the likelihood of that happening?

Over the years there have been countless C-drama adaptations of Jin Yong's novels. The Condor Trilogy (The Legend of the Condor Heroes, The Return of the Condor Heroes, The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber), Demi-Gods and Semi-Devils, The Smiling Proud Wanderer, etc to name a few. I hope that there are more remakes and adaptations of The Untamed in the future. Maybe just wishful thinking on my part. Does anyone feel strongly one way or the other if there should be future remakes of some of these BL novels and what is the likelihood of that happening?

Over the years there have been countless C-drama adaptations of Jin Yong's novels. The Condor Trilogy (The Legend of the Condor Heroes, The Return of the Condor Heroes, The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber), Demi-Gods and Semi-Devils, The Smiling Proud Wanderer, etc to name a few. I hope that there are more remakes and adaptations of WOH and The Untamed in the future. Maybe just wishful thinking on my part. Does anyone feel strongly one way or the other if there should be future remakes of some of these BL novels and what is the likelihood of that happening?

The Untamed and The Legend of Zu are NOT Wuxia. They would be categorized as Xianxia. Also The Legend of Zu is a movie, not a drama.

ZZH played Yelu Qi in one of Return of the Condor Heroes adaptations and although it was a small supporting role, I thought he was great. That is the only other work of ZZH that I have seen.

As a member of the LGBTQ community, I've been called a lot of derogatory things in my life and made to feel sub-human and a child of a lesser God, but I've never been called small-minded. As someone who is from Asia and does NOT "come from the west" I can't claim that I have had the freedom to do anything and everything as you claim. Your comments about small-minded and coming from the west at best are ignorant, petty and spiteful and you expose yourself as someone who lacks the ability to debate respectfully without engaging in personal hateful attacks and for that you really ought to be ashamed of yourself.

I respect your opinion although I completely disagree with it. I called it Queerbaiting because it fits the text-book definition of what Queerbaiting truly means - Lots of hinting, suggestions, innuendos, poetry, bone-throwing, etc going on that is suggestive of a same-sex relationship, but then absolutely no depiction of same-sex romance. Zero. I understand why they did it - Censorship and all, but that doesn't change the fact that it is what it is. Your quarrel really is with the dictionary definition of Queerbaiting and not necessarily with my opinion of the show. I however do take offense to your suggestion that me categorizing this as Queerbaiting is a attack on the WOH crew, the whole staff, and everyone else on this project. I love this show and I'm crazy about it so I do take offense to that dig from you on the WOH crew.

I do have to warn you that you do risk sounding homophobic when you make statements like - "I'm not a fan of BL and I didn't give the drama a try because it's BL".

So I might be saying something controversial here, but that is okay, it is just my opinion and not meant to offend anyone. I actually don't consider the drama to be BL. I understand that the original novel is BL, but in my opinion the drama is not. The drama is actually the text-book definition of Queerbaiting to be honest where creators hint at, but then do not actually depict, same-sex romance or other LGBTQ representation. They do so to attract ("bait") a queer or straight ally audience with the suggestion of relationships or characters that appeal to them, while at the same time attempting to avoid alienating other consumers. So there is plenty of hinting, and innuendos going on (sleeve cutting, etc), suggestive poems, etc. but absolutely zero depiction of any same sex romance. Don't get me wrong, I love this drama and I'm crazy about it, but I would not call it BL. The novel might be BL, but the drama is not. Again, just my opinion.

No, it's not just good. It is GREAT!