JohnGotti

I loved the scene too. But, I still can't get past that it used the same old drunk sex rape trope and tried to justify the scene by Shu Yi eventually submitting. Even if Shu Yi wanted to, he told Gao Shi De to "stop." I'm sorry, but that is the definition of rape.

I loved the episode too. It was tense and emotional. But, it was still the drunk sex trope. I'm still trying to get my head around the whether it was rape or not. Hmmm! Although Shu Yi eventually gave in, he WAS being held down by Gao Shi De, AND Shu Yi said "NO" and told Gao Shi De to stop and get off him. I am sorry folks, as romantic and intense as this scene may have been, that's the purest definition of rape.

Ok, I'll give you Obsessed. But, MODC??? I've not see HIStory 4 yet.

I hope you're right!

LMBO!!!!

I hope this series doesn't go down that old "seme" and "uke" trope for the rest of S2. That would kill it for me.

If that occurs. I, too, will be disappointed because, it would mean that now the Taiwanese BLs (who had been doing fairly well) are falling prey to the tropes and stereotypes of their neighbor cultures. Remember, it was shown in S1 that Shu Yi was more than capable to taking care of himself, when it came to Shi De. Although Shi De is the bigger of the two characters. he was also the more sensitive one of the two (or at least that was how he was portrayed in S1). What, their characters have now switched???

Interesting points! I agree, we'll have to see.

Wow! Tell me how you really feel! I'm not sure I totally agree with you that we're not moving forward to a "better and smarter future," because I continue to have hope. However, I do somewhat agree with you that people have "lost" a lot because of social media, and not just the ability to think. That said, I totally agree that the plot was not the strong point of the series -- I stand better informed.

You're absolutely right. It would be toxic. But, unfortunately, it does sometimes occur.

I saw that too, and had similar thoughts. I just think the writers and director missed a GOOD opportunity during ep. 1.

I agree. But, I'm still willing to see if they can pull it off, meaning make this S2 "not so terrible."

LOL!

Actually, if the writers wanted to be really creative and add some interesting spice to the series, they should've had Shi De going upstairs and he and Shu Yi having passionate "revenge sex." Then, they could pick up the 5-year misunderstanding, angry-at-you trope. It would've made for a much more interesting storyline and provided a good way to move the plot along.

Yeah, and he went upstairs to his bedroom and left Shi De downstairs! It would've been a great plot twist had the writers had Shi De go upstairs and the two had mad passionate "revenge sex." Now, that would've been some drama.

I did... I just called it the "special ep." LMBO!

Ok. The S1 of this "series" was pretty darn good, no inane stereotypes, no active tropes, and a decent beginning to a love story. Then, we have the "special ep," which threw in the beginning of a complicated plot, which I guess, would be further explained in the upcoming S2. I actually had no problem with that, since the writers decided to have a timeline plot which includes a 5-year separation of the main characters. However, in the "special ep." the writers and/or producers decided to fall back on the very overused "misunderstanding" trope to begin the storyline of S2. I did have a problem with that. Many things could've have happened to the relationship of Shi De and Shu Yi in 5 years, why chose a "simple" misunderstanding as the guide? Why couldn't they be creative? It made NO sense to me, it did NOT seem to follow the quality storyline presented in S1, and it appeared like "lazy" writing (taking the easy way out). A plot such as that would've have probably been ok and believable 15 - 20 years ago, when relationships were treated differently, and there wasn't the access to as much diversity of thought, technology and social media as it is today. But, I still liked S1 a lot, and I want to like S2 as well. So, I'll sit back and watch and hope that the writers did not take the easy way out in S2, when they had plenty of opportunity to script a quality series, as they did in S1.

Totally agree with the two opinions above! AND, I'll go one more -- so far, IMO, I think its a great series,

That's kind of what I was thinking, too -- but, you stated it much more eloquently than I did. Thanks!

LMBO!!!!