JohnGotti

Wow! I just read somewhere that the actor who plays Aoey is actually the oldest of the main cast and is gay in real life. That's so cool!

Interesting synopsis! Wow! I liked the "unevolved girl's role" statement. I think that was the impression that I was attempting to portray. But, alas, you instead, portrayed it far better than I did.

All are very good points! I must agree! I again stand informed.

Hmmm. I'm unsure if any perspective is right vs wrong. But, I do see your point and I stand duly informed.

So true! I would have to agree! But, wouldn't you agree that it is a trope to portray all gay men or boys, who are inexperienced in relationships, as weak-like, immature or "girlish?" Can't they be mature and inexperienced or "boyish" and inexperienced??

I like this series. However, one of the things that's annoying to me is how they have Gene's character being so weak. That itself is not necessarily the issue. But, Gene is supposed to be out of university, a mature and fairly successful writer. Okay, he falls for a younger university student and begins acting liking he's back in high school. Now, I realize that sometimes falling in love makes people giddy, gooey inside and do and say stupid things. But, give me a break! Nubsib is acting more mature than Gene (and he's the one with the initial crush). His character comes off almost as "girlish", and as the eps. progress, Gene seems to be taking on a more "girlish" (dare I say uke-like) demeanor with regards to his "relationship" to Nubsib, and Gene doesn't present as the "ladyboy" type, at least not yet. This is just one person's opinion.

Fair enough.

I totally agree about Yongjie and the career as a doctor info. The problem I believe so many are having with this series (just my guess) is that the HIStory series of the past showed more "positive" portrayals of lgbtq+ relationships. Yeah, they had the occasional bullying, manipulation, step-brother love and jealousy tropes (they even killed off a character, just to resurrect his dopple-ganger). But, what they didn't have is the seemingly crossing of the line with violence, possible "drunk rape", stalking , etc. I guess the producers decided to explore wider avenues with this series, and some fans are having a hard time adjusting. Like me! LOL

Wow! I've known some folks like that as well. Unfortunately for them, the outcome wasn't so good. I totally agree with your behavioral assessment of folks like that. But, what is really interesting is that Yongjie is studying to be a doctor! I'm not sure that's a good thing or not.....

P.S. Thanks for the correction notice. I did mean Yongjie. LMBO!

Fair enough. However, it did seem that your comment was more condoning than condeming. My apologies for the error.

Interesting synopsis. I can agree on many points. But in the totality of it all, whether or not it was meant as a "rape" I believe is irrelevant. Many BL's slide that slippery slope for dramatic effect. IMO, it's not good either way to series to portray the acceptance of characters that intentionally take sexual advantage of others, who apparently don't possess the ability to provide "consent." And, unfortunately, it's a common theme in BLs. As for your analysis of Fu Yongjie, very interesting, and I can agree with much of it. I would like to add a bit to his character: a) he made a key and broke into his brother's apartment; b) he stalked his brother for what appeared to be quite a lengthy period of time; c) he attacked one of his brother's roommate's without provocation, presumably due to jealousy/possessiveness; and d) he took sexual advantage of his brother while the brother was in an inebriated state (that he admittedly confessed that he caused and for the purpose of "making his brother his"). Love his brother or not, that's some serious psychopathology in this drama . LOL

Wow! Interesting analysis! I'm not really sure if I agree or disagree. I do believe you've posed some interesting points. Let's take the incest issue first. According to the western definition of incest, "incest is sexual intercourse between persons so closely related that they are forbidden by law to marry..." And, most western cultures agree with and/or accept this definition, even if they may deal with the incest differently within their cultures (to many of those cultures, it's a crime). I'm unsure about the Asiatic cultures (to which there are NO significant western cultural influence). So, I can't comment intelligently on those cultures.

Now, as for the idea of the "drunk rape," I agree with you that many countries (and/or cultures) are unable to agree on an common definition. However, many western cultures (and several Asiatic cultures with strong western influence) have begun to recognize the complexities of sexual assault and have commonly (if not legally) agreed that "the assault occurs when one of the parties is unable, for whatever reason, (underaged, unconscious, under the influence, has a disability, confinement, or saying "no", etc.) to give "consent." Hmmm! It seems that the scene in question might fit that definition. Aahh! But, Thailand isn't a western culture.

Thank you! I thought I was missing something! My sentiments exactly!

I truly hope that this series deals with the violence foretold in this first ep. I realize that these are dramas and don't necessarily have to be politically correct. But, the series can be just as dramatic without the trope of all the defenseless students in the school being beaten-up every other day. Jeez!!

??? You like that the bullies have a reason for beating up people?? OK. I'm missing something. There's actually reasons for bullying other people???? Just in case you missed it, I'm being sarcastic.....

You know what! You're absolutely right! I hadn't thought about like that.

The series was going ok, up until the "drunken rape" trope. It's so sad, IMO, that now the Taiwanese BLs are using the old stand-by stereotypic, tropic plot lines that had befallen many of the Thai BLs of the past. What makes it even worse is that the HIStory series was kind of ahead of the game with what could be more positive views of lgbtq+ relationships. I guess they've also fallen prey to the money and exposure these kinds of BL series can generate. I will no longer watch the relationship between the two step-brothers and simply concentrate on the other two characters. Relationships born out of sexual assault are not good, no matter how "romantic" the series tries to portray it.

I agree. Although I liked the ep., it could've been so much more with a little less lazy writing.

Personally, I'm ready for more Shi Yu and Bing Wei and Pei Shou Yi and Zhen Xuan. Their relationships seem to have a more characterization that the Shu Yi and Gai Shi De. But, alas, with only a handful of eps to go, there probably isn't enough time to devote to the secondary couples. I also didn't like the way they just glossed over the sex scene. Lazy writing in my opinion.

You know what? You're right! That would've been so much better!