Chengyu is really FINE... if it was anyone else but XuNing as Chi, 90% of the fans would have ended up with Second…
I get that, honestly. But for me, XuNing's eyes and face make me droool... I am so mesmerized. Which is why I said, if anyone else but Xuning. I would have been TEAM CHENGYU as well. XuNing is just that PERFECT STORM for me.
I think canonically, Chengyu 'is' supposed to be the more beautiful and polished one who is also more socially adept with a proper fashion sense. And Chi Cheng is supposed to be the more dark, brooding, rough around the edges-type, wearing BLACK always because he can't be bothered with colours. So I guess it was perfect casting.
The moment everyone started panicking and on such a vague premise, I totally tuned out.
Calm down fellow fans. Lets see what day after tomorrow brings okay? Because either way, WE REALLY CANNOT DO ANYTHING. I know pain conditions you to believe more actively that bad stuff will happen and look skeptically when good stuff does happen. I wish more of us would take a more optimistic approach and not remain on tenterhooks. Enjoy whatever you already have. And save your energy for things you can actually make a difference about. Manifest positively.
Wow, thank you so much for this! Sometimes things go over my head because of the translation and subtle meanings…
Thank you. I have been super busy these past 2 days so I could not reply sooner.
So you asked what is CC's mindset about WSW and the Gay thing. Now you have to remember first and foremost. WSW, actively baited CC from the get go SEXUALLY. From wearing that crop top and posing outside of his club, a throwaway scene most people look over. To the basketball playing. They have not shown it that much in the series, but it is implied that there is a lot more seduction going on with basketball playing. So at that point, CC knows he is being baited sexually. Now why would anyone assume that same-sex person who keeps blatantly baiting you, in a not-so-subtle manner either is Straight? I mean generally, even if there is an ulterior motive behind such a seduction, you would not assume that person to be not the sexuality that they are presenting themselves to be right? So by the time WSW confesses that he does not know that he likes MEN but he only knows that he likes CC. At that point in story, - CC has fallen for WSW already. - They have gone on a date. - WSW is showing jealousy towards Yue Yue, which Chi assumes is because of him. - WSW has trained and invested in SNAKES as a business, which CC assumes he is also doing to get closer to CC. Now add all this to that Love-confession.
So It's fair for CC to assume that WSW is in the closet. WSW has not shown any interest towards women since CC has been observing him. CC has waited for over a year now to get WSW into his bed, but WSW just keeps side-stepping. WSW definitely has feelings for CC which are not PLATONIC, both we and CC can tell.
Long story short - CC does not think that WSW is STRAIGHT at all. And WSW is not STRAIGHT also. JXS also does not think WSW is straight. ONLY WSW himself thinks he is STRAIGHT because he is stubborn and being GAY was never part of his plan for his life. WSW is an idiot.
You want to watch the DRAMA? Go ahead. BUT you've got to READ that TOP REVIEW by @Honglou Meng in full... I am ordering you. Because that is as accurate to this drama as it gets. I SWEAR!
idk how it would fit in the scene but they should have kept the princess carry bcs im obsessed with how effortlessly…
How light is Zi Yu? And how strong is Xu Ning to be able to lift him so effortlessly without breaking a sweat? That Club corridor scene and him lifting Zi Yu on upside down on his shoulder also looked so effortless! Xu Ning does not look as strong as he actually is. He is so lean, but those Shoulders and that TINY waist! The proportions on him are really ridiculous. *fans self* Also his natural smile is so cute, with all teeth showing. CUTIEEEE!
Favorite scene from Episode 10 WSWxYue Yue showdown was so good. First of all, it did not overstay it's welcome. He broke the news to her and did not linger there too long to say so many words. Then he skips upstairs to CC. And okay I am going to go on a tangent here but you can tell through out the whole opening banquet scene that CC keeps turning and looking at WSW's happy face, and the longing to just grab him is right there. The naked desire and then a treasuring softness and then NAKED desire again...I don't know how XuNing does it, his micro expressions can be seen from a mile away. You can tell he wants to simultaneously Adore WSW and Choke him for being such a tease. AH.... And then how CC cannot stop touching WSW the moment they are a little away from the gathering while Yue Yue watches.
The story so far : First, That office scene was HOT AF! Okay!
And I know people keep complaining about CC's threatening and forcing WSW into having physical relations. And I wonder if they are missing or overlooking an integral perspective of the story.
Lets look at the story from CC's perspective. He is GAY. He is a powerful heir to a substantial Machinery, construction and real estate empire. In Asian cultures, this means that your business dealings are half above the table and half below them, if you know what I mean. So morality is not something such an heir would be raised with. You can either be very good with PR, networking and Social Skills, or you can be Ruthless, domineering, intimidating, and extremely SHARP to be able to Run such a business, practically a gangster in all but name. In the Novel, his father forces Chi into Civil Service (police) but in the Drama it's business.
You can see from the few interactions CC has with his parents and his father especially, that even they are intimidated by him. I don't know if I am remembering correctly, but in a Q&A like 10 years ago, Chai Jidan stated that CC himself has huge personal wealth that he has directly inherited from his Grandfather and is not totally dependent on his parents for money. On top of that CC also has a brilliant mind for Business and control and was exceptional academically. So the only thing his father can really control him with is the thing he does control him with, and that is the SNAKES. And that too is because of the Gay rumors going around about CC. He is their sole heir and you know what that means. It is established early on that CC has a ruthless habit of meeting a betrayal with 10X worse punishment. *Cue the infamous and ridiculous Gangrape scene* But also his dealings with Guo Cheng. It's been years and he still holds a grudge.
So here come this ridiculous Boy, so innocent and Naive trying to seduce CC. Chi Cheng in all his brilliance cannot tell the reason behind the SEDUCTION. I mean who could, in their right mind even think of the reason WSW is trying to bait him is YueYue, because CC definitely does not give any importance or even looks at YueYue enough to figure out that that might be the reason. So he is confused. Of course, the boy is cute, and has this Joie di Vivre, that CC cannot look away from as in his circle he does not come into contact with that. And then... for the first time in CC's existence, the boy is GIVING Chi, stuff! Candies and Snacks and lollipops, and sugar-blown candies and Bao cream and just showing up everywhere, shaking his perky little butt at Chi. And Chi knows something is up with this stupid boy who does not even know that he is practically baiting a King Cobra. But he likes the intrigue of not being able to figure out why he is being played with. This boy is trying to impress him with reading books he does not understand. And doing anything possible to stop Chi from meeting his Fake Girlfriend. This boy, that even Xiao CuBao is in love with immediately. CC is head over heels before he realizes it. First it was just lust, but now it's more and he is surprised at his own control. The push and pull is promising a grand prize in the end, but this ridiculous boy will not let him have it. Anytime there is even a chance of Chi slipping out of his grip, this boy will pull with all his might, but the moment Chi steps towards him, the boy would run off. Cue "I don't know if I like men, I only know that I like you!"
And remember, this has been going on for MONTHS now. And Chi has gone without SEX for months now because of this boy. Who is seducing him still, but still won't let him touch. And Chi cannot bear to just take what he wants by force.
So he sometimes slips. He is human after all, and there is only so much a guy like him can take. I hope this now gets you into Chi's perspective of the events so far, and why he would go threatening Xiao Shuai to push WSW to make up his mind and commit to Chi, both romantically and physically. It's not entirely a good thing to do, but then Chi never was a good person and desperate times call for desperate measures. That Dancing and singing in the bar scene is where it comes to head for Chi. He can tell WSW is conflicted, even though he keeps telling Chi he likes him. This boy would cry at the thought of parting from Chi, but will not commit. Lets see what happens next.
Omg! Do you realize the implications of this? If a mainstream k-actor/kpop-idol like Taecyon does a BL Drama and it goes well??? Do you realize it may mean that we could see a major turn of Mainstream Kdrama actors going for BLs? Especially Kpop Idols that are trying to get into serious acting and wanting to make a solid fanbase as actors? As in BL is finally a lucrative enough Genre, if not Money-wise, but Acting Cred and Fan following-wise for mainstream actors to get into it even as an experiment??? Can you imagine getting more and more BL Manhwas getting made into Dramas? We know when Koreans get into a genre, they really do it well! OH man! this is getting me EXCITED!
Rewatching episode 3... That Garden Walk date is my absolute favorite scene of the whole drama so far. It's HILARIOUS and WSW is such an amateur and Chi Cheng is absolutely fascinated, playing along, and also turned on roflmao... WSW has no clue how near danger he is at this moment, because CC hasn't totally gone soft for him yet. From the very beginning, WSW about to give his number to that lady when she asked to refusing it when he sees CC coming.. To the "Ah, the Sky is so blue today" to "Should I massage it for you?" to "There is a CAR" hahahahahah.... COMEDY GOLD.
you're so right about Counter Attack being a comedy. Reading the novel there are so many scenes where it's just…
Those who read her novels in native language often say, that her novels lose 80% of their comedy when translated because she tells her story in such a modern comedic, meme-embedded dialogue that it's impossible to translate it into another language, because it loses the whole context of her comedic beats and is steeped in modern Chinese street language and culture. So what we get is sort of like, the cliff notes version of her actual manuscript.
I think canonically, Chengyu 'is' supposed to be the more beautiful and polished one who is also more socially adept with a proper fashion sense. And Chi Cheng is supposed to be the more dark, brooding, rough around the edges-type, wearing BLACK always because he can't be bothered with colours. So I guess it was perfect casting.
I'll do it tonight. Thank you <3
Calm down fellow fans. Lets see what day after tomorrow brings okay? Because either way, WE REALLY CANNOT DO ANYTHING. I know pain conditions you to believe more actively that bad stuff will happen and look skeptically when good stuff does happen. I wish more of us would take a more optimistic approach and not remain on tenterhooks. Enjoy whatever you already have. And save your energy for things you can actually make a difference about.
Manifest positively.
I love you all.
Yea, I will look into making that thread.
So you asked what is CC's mindset about WSW and the Gay thing.
Now you have to remember first and foremost. WSW, actively baited CC from the get go SEXUALLY. From wearing that crop top and posing outside of his club, a throwaway scene most people look over. To the basketball playing. They have not shown it that much in the series, but it is implied that there is a lot more seduction going on with basketball playing. So at that point, CC knows he is being baited sexually. Now why would anyone assume that same-sex person who keeps blatantly baiting you, in a not-so-subtle manner either is Straight?
I mean generally, even if there is an ulterior motive behind such a seduction, you would not assume that person to be not the sexuality that they are presenting themselves to be right?
So by the time WSW confesses that he does not know that he likes MEN but he only knows that he likes CC. At that point in story,
- CC has fallen for WSW already.
- They have gone on a date.
- WSW is showing jealousy towards Yue Yue, which Chi assumes is because of him.
- WSW has trained and invested in SNAKES as a business, which CC assumes he is also doing to get closer to CC.
Now add all this to that Love-confession.
So It's fair for CC to assume that WSW is in the closet.
WSW has not shown any interest towards women since CC has been observing him.
CC has waited for over a year now to get WSW into his bed, but WSW just keeps side-stepping. WSW definitely has feelings for CC which are not PLATONIC, both we and CC can tell.
Long story short - CC does not think that WSW is STRAIGHT at all. And WSW is not STRAIGHT also. JXS also does not think WSW is straight. ONLY WSW himself thinks he is STRAIGHT because he is stubborn and being GAY was never part of his plan for his life. WSW is an idiot.
BUT you've got to READ that TOP REVIEW by @Honglou Meng in full... I am ordering you.
Because that is as accurate to this drama as it gets. I SWEAR!
Xu Ning does not look as strong as he actually is. He is so lean, but those Shoulders and that TINY waist! The proportions on him are really ridiculous. *fans self*
Also his natural smile is so cute, with all teeth showing. CUTIEEEE!
WSWxYue Yue showdown was so good. First of all, it did not overstay it's welcome. He broke the news to her and did not linger there too long to say so many words. Then he skips upstairs to CC. And okay I am going to go on a tangent here but you can tell through out the whole opening banquet scene that CC keeps turning and looking at WSW's happy face, and the longing to just grab him is right there. The naked desire and then a treasuring softness and then NAKED desire again...I don't know how XuNing does it, his micro expressions can be seen from a mile away. You can tell he wants to simultaneously Adore WSW and Choke him for being such a tease. AH....
And then how CC cannot stop touching WSW the moment they are a little away from the gathering while Yue Yue watches.
The story so far :
First, That office scene was HOT AF! Okay!
And I know people keep complaining about CC's threatening and forcing WSW into having physical relations. And I wonder if they are missing or overlooking an integral perspective of the story.
Lets look at the story from CC's perspective.
He is GAY. He is a powerful heir to a substantial Machinery, construction and real estate empire. In Asian cultures, this means that your business dealings are half above the table and half below them, if you know what I mean. So morality is not something such an heir would be raised with. You can either be very good with PR, networking and Social Skills, or you can be Ruthless, domineering, intimidating, and extremely SHARP to be able to Run such a business, practically a gangster in all but name. In the Novel, his father forces Chi into Civil Service (police) but in the Drama it's business.
You can see from the few interactions CC has with his parents and his father especially, that even they are intimidated by him. I don't know if I am remembering correctly, but in a Q&A like 10 years ago, Chai Jidan stated that CC himself has huge personal wealth that he has directly inherited from his Grandfather and is not totally dependent on his parents for money. On top of that CC also has a brilliant mind for Business and control and was exceptional academically. So the only thing his father can really control him with is the thing he does control him with, and that is the SNAKES. And that too is because of the Gay rumors going around about CC. He is their sole heir and you know what that means.
It is established early on that CC has a ruthless habit of meeting a betrayal with 10X worse punishment. *Cue the infamous and ridiculous Gangrape scene*
But also his dealings with Guo Cheng. It's been years and he still holds a grudge.
So here come this ridiculous Boy, so innocent and Naive trying to seduce CC. Chi Cheng in all his brilliance cannot tell the reason behind the SEDUCTION. I mean who could, in their right mind even think of the reason WSW is trying to bait him is YueYue, because CC definitely does not give any importance or even looks at YueYue enough to figure out that that might be the reason. So he is confused. Of course, the boy is cute, and has this Joie di Vivre, that CC cannot look away from as in his circle he does not come into contact with that. And then... for the first time in CC's existence, the boy is GIVING Chi, stuff! Candies and Snacks and lollipops, and sugar-blown candies and Bao cream and just showing up everywhere, shaking his perky little butt at Chi. And Chi knows something is up with this stupid boy who does not even know that he is practically baiting a King Cobra. But he likes the intrigue of not being able to figure out why he is being played with. This boy is trying to impress him with reading books he does not understand. And doing anything possible to stop Chi from meeting his Fake Girlfriend. This boy, that even Xiao CuBao is in love with immediately.
CC is head over heels before he realizes it. First it was just lust, but now it's more and he is surprised at his own control. The push and pull is promising a grand prize in the end, but this ridiculous boy will not let him have it. Anytime there is even a chance of Chi slipping out of his grip, this boy will pull with all his might, but the moment Chi steps towards him, the boy would run off. Cue "I don't know if I like men, I only know that I like you!"
And remember, this has been going on for MONTHS now.
And Chi has gone without SEX for months now because of this boy.
Who is seducing him still, but still won't let him touch.
And Chi cannot bear to just take what he wants by force.
So he sometimes slips. He is human after all, and there is only so much a guy like him can take.
I hope this now gets you into Chi's perspective of the events so far, and why he would go threatening Xiao Shuai to push WSW to make up his mind and commit to Chi, both romantically and physically. It's not entirely a good thing to do, but then Chi never was a good person and desperate times call for desperate measures. That Dancing and singing in the bar scene is where it comes to head for Chi. He can tell WSW is conflicted, even though he keeps telling Chi he likes him. This boy would cry at the thought of parting from Chi, but will not commit. Lets see what happens next.
OK TAECYON in a BL???? DUDE WHAT????
Also...
KISSSSSSESSSSSSS :D
What is yours?
So what we get is sort of like, the cliff notes version of her actual manuscript.