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Yeah, A LOT of things happened in episode 1 alone. ^^'

Hard to tell exactly, I think it might be the writing or the way the scenes were edited, like the pace is not flowing naturally.

I have been watching kdrama for over 15 years and have watched everything from rom-coms to sageuks to thrillers, so I do not have a specific type of drama I watch. I am used to everything so it would not be an easy guess. ^^'

Maybe next week's episodes will help me figure out what is off or maybe it was just these 2 episodes that threw me off a bit. There were parts I liked, just a feeling that they could have done some things differently and it would be better but it is too soon to tell, I need to watch more episodes.

Probably. I think it is too soon to say if this will be a good drama or not. There have been dramas in the past that did not really grab me from the beginning and then got so much better after a few more episodes.

Great cast, lots of potential but the first 2 episodes were not that impressive. They were not bad, they were decent, but something feels off about the script. I will keep watching and see if it gets better. I am not one to drop a drama after only 2 episodes (unless the drama is unwatchable which is thankfully not the case)

If you check my profile you will see I have watched thousands of dramas over the last 15 years, going through that list just to select the ones with your very specific requirement would be a nightmare, but they exist, you will eventually come across them.

The "deep message" is one you as a man would have a hard time to get. Everything is this drama that annoyed you is what women go through everyday and is considered normal by society. You have a bunch of historical cdramas with men that treat the female lead worse than the FL here treated the ML and a lot of them there are fights between concubines and such because one man could not stick to one woman. So you are complaining about how one ML is treated like this in one specific drama as if there arent many more with FLs being treated this way or worse.

My point is that you are entitled to being angry at the way the FL treated the ML here, I agree, I also did not like it. Just don't pretend the opposite does not happen in other dramas. If in real life you can see all sorts of couple dynamics, it is normal to see them in dramas too. Not every couple will have a dynamic you will like. For a long time it was more common to see couples with toxic relationships rather than some of the healthy relationships we get now.

P.S. - If you want specific recommendations with healthy relationships, tell me the kind of plots you like. I see your profile picture is from Road Home. As far as I remember there is at least 2 other dramas with the same actress which I think had healthy relationships - Go Ahead (more of a family drama but has romance) and Flight To You (if you are into airplanes like me, slow burn romance).

I am also watching Love between Lines, which is currently airing, and so far the main leads seem to have a healthy dynamic. They are already interested in each other but neither of them is acting like a simp.

What do you mean by annoying, you mean ads? kisskh.co is the one i use the most, no ads, usually no problem with the videos. I easily found this drama there using the search function, they also seem to have the other dramas related to this one.

I agree that some viewers take things to extremes. I was talking about dramas in general not just Cdramas and yes I have noticed it has become a trend but you also need to think at what point does a ML become a simp, yeah, the one in this drama definitely is one but there are other dramas where the ML is not like this and just starts being nicer to the FL once they get together that is normal, the same behaviour from a woman would not be called being a simp, just a nice girlfriend. Men can be nice to their girlfriends and not be a simp.

Ok, so you are a man, that explains why you cannot see the deeper message in this drama. Then this definitely was not the drama for you, this is a female centered drama made with female viewers in mind.

There are a lot of other dramas that do not have male leads acting like simps, you just might have to go back a few years to find more of them.

If you want healthy relationships there are also other dramas you can watch where the main leads treat each other equally.

P.S. - If this was reversed women would still have liked the drama, some just might have complained about how the ML treated the FL but this was most dramas back when I started watching dramas. Even rape would sometimes be made less serious than it was because the ML "loves" the FL.

Idk how long you have been watching dramas but simping female leads were in almost every drama a few years back and there are still recent dramas with female leads like this, just not as common as it was. These dramas are such a big chunk of my completed list that I cannot even choose one to tell you because they are so many. ^^'

This is a drama, not real life. It is a bit over the top because of the matriarchal theme. I myself did not call it female empowerment, for that there are a lot of other Chinese dramas that do it while not putting down men.

I just was not as bothered by the way men were treated in the drama as some other people were because I felt it was intentional. Yes, I noticed when these things happened and even thought to myself that if a man was doing or saying that to a woman it would be really bad but that was when I started to notice that maybe that was what the drama intended to do, make us question things.

I started watching dramas back in 2010 when it was considered normal to grab a woman by the arm, push her against a wall and force a kiss on her and all that was considered romantic. So a drama like this once in a while is nice. I do wish they had not made the ML a simp but oh well. There were many things that could be improved about this drama but overall I still had fun watching it.

Exactly...that is the point. The men in this drama are treated as the women are treated in most dramas AND in real life.

This drama portrays a matriarchal family so it is exaggerated. In real life we would like some balance, neither the men nor women should feel inferior to the other sex.

Plus, with so many scheming characters, this is not a drama where you can expect people to be in 100% healthy relationships.

One of the sisters literally abandoned her lover and left him to take care of their kid for years...sounds familiar? Everyday thousands of men do this. I feel like the writers intentionally did this so we could experience what it would be like if the roles were reversed.

I agree it was not an open ending but it still felt like so much was missing, probably because I did not want to part with this drama or the people in the comment section.

I also wish they had not put the ML to the side so much, wish we had seen more of him as a magistrate, maybe solving the kidnapping case.

Oh well, thank you for everything and hope to meet you in the comment section of another drama.

A lesson I learned throughout my many years of drama watching (15+ years) is to NEVER watch a drama solely because of the actor/actress playing the main lead.

If a drama seems to have an interesting plot and the lead happens to be someone I like, that is a plus not a deciding factor.

There have been so many dramas I watched because of a certain actor or actress only to find out not even him/her could carry that drama. And so many underrated dramas with unknown actors that were great and that I would never have given a chance if I chose dramas based on the cast alone.

With that said, I picked this drama for the plot and was lucky that both main leads were actors I like but because they were not the main reason I chose to watch this, I was not disappointed or at least not as much as some people, when Hou Ming Hao did not appear as much as expected from a male lead. This is a female centered drama so it makes some sense they did this, if anything I think they should not have listed him in first place in the cast.
Gulnezer Bextiyar was definitely the true main lead of the drama, her and the Rong family members.

Makes sense. Plus it is pretty obvious who is the dominant one in the relationship. The ML might be firm when he is doing his job and dealing with villains but when it comes to the FL he almost turns into a needy child and she does not seem to mind at all. There are all sorts of couples out there, the man does not always have to be the dominant one while the woman is weak and obedient.

Started ok, did not really grab me from first episode, then it became good, then great and then for the last 6 episodes they decided to add a completely new arc with a bunch of new characters instead of focusing on wrapping up the drama. Unless there is a second season, I am disappointed with how they decided to use the last episodes of the drama.

It has been some time since I watched a drama that felt so incomplete, like they forgot to explain things or show what happened to some characters. If there is a second season, then everything makes sense but if this was the ending, then it was unsatisfying to say the least.

The last 6 episodes aside, I had a lot of fun watching this and making guesses between episodes about what would happen next. I gave it a good rating but not too high, if later on they announce there is a second season I might give it an extra point.

I did not watch the preview so I probably missed the context, you were right when you said he was confined, although not exactly for the reason we thought.

Idk if you have finished watching but I feel like they left some loose ends. It was almost as if they started a whole new arc in the last 6 episodes, introducing a bunch of new characters and then forgot that they had no episodes left to wrap up. I hope there is a second season because I cannot help but feel the story is not finished.

Hum, I am not sure if the ML is confined or just in despair because he finds out a huge secret about FL or her family that puts him in a difficult position like him having to arrest someone for murder.

Maybe this is a bit out there but what if the kidnapped girls are being used as fertilizer for the Rong family tea and that is why it surpasses any other tea? Ik this is a bit too dark but...anything is possible in drama land...and I know of at least one criminal case where the killer did this to his victims.

I agree that RSB has so far been shown as the stronger of the 2, probably intentionally since it is a female centered plot. I really hope they meet in the middle at some point because things have been really unfair for LJL.

I feel like there is so much they could do but so little time that a second season would be welcome. I just do not want an open ending full of loose ends because there was not enough time to wrap up. I am expecting the next few episodes to be very intense.

P.S. - I have also had this feeling from the start that LJL is a prince or something like that but we are so close to the end that I am not so sure now. It seems a bit late to reveal that.

That is exactly my point, they are a lot more similar than most people would like to admit. But because Shan Bao is the female lead she gets a pass. Although their main difference seems to be that Shan Bao does not drag innocent people into her schemes even if she might put some of them in harms way while working for her.

About the parents generation I agree we need to see more and we might get that considering how episode 30 ended but I would also not want them to waste entire episodes on it, they are afterall characters that no longer belong in the plot. Showing the past should be done just for context so we can better understand how we got to this point.

There are only 6 episodes left so I am wondering how they will choose to end the drama. I have a feeling that there might be enough story to show that would justify another season but that is very rare for Cdramas. I have a feeling either the Rong family or Shan Bao herself have a deeply disturbing secret that will soon be revealed, I even have guesses as to what it is.

Hahah, I can totally understand how you feel. Idk if you have already watched todays episodes but some of our guesses were confirmed although things did not happen exactly as we predicted, but it was pretty close. I am starting to guess new things but will not share them in case you have not watched yet, don't want to spoil the fun for you.

I do have bad eyes and wear glasses BUT I have a mother that is over 60 and looked a lot younger than Aff when she was her age. I am not saying the actress looks old, she looks her age and that is not a bad thing. She still looks young but you can notice some wrinkles that are only natural when you reach a certain age and in her voice you can tell she is a middle aged woman, not someone in her twenties or thirties. While the ML is in his twenties but could easily pass as 18 years old because he has a baby face.

Like I said, them dating in real life does not bother me at all, they are both adults, if they love each other and are happy together, good for them.

But for dramas I have some expectations and she does look like she could be his mother while she is supposed to look just a bit older, like an older sister. This alone breaks the original relationship dynamic of older sister-younger brother.

Of course if the plot was good, that alone would not have stopped me from watching. It bothered me only at first until I got used to it. But the plot and acting are not good, which is why the drama has a low rating even for Thai drama standards.