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Nothing Boston did deserved Nick bugging his car. that was nuts and it really should be pointed out as such.

To be fair, the show doesn't seem interested in pointing that out either, which interests me when it goes out of its way to point out that Boston taking photos (and possibly video?) of RayMew was definitely wrong. Me, I like to pick at things so I can't help wondering why the show is choosing to frame both incidents the way it is - currently I think it's because we're getting things from the other characters' POV so far and not Boston's and *they* don't think it's that big a deal because they, like you, feel like Boston deserves it. But no one does. That's the thing.

And much as I am not fond of Ray or the attempts to excuse all the ways he *is* being a jerk to Sand and as much as I adore Sand and want him to be happy...Sand only barely opened the door to a real relationship with him *this episode*, and it was *after* Ray said the stuff about being friends. And during the scene in the go go club Sand flat out told Ray he wasn't important enough to know about his birthday. he might not want to, but he contributed to holding the line that all they are is friends who mess around. It's not Ray's fault he wanted to change the rules and didn't say anything. Now, *we* know that Ray probably didn't want Boston to think they were together because it would get back to Mew, but *Sand* didn't - up until Boston decided to pour gasoline all over Sand's hopes and set them on fire, lol. But it doesn't change the fact that they've both been saying a lot of stuff about not wanting to be together for real. Just because only one of them really feels that way doesn't mean he's the only one who is culpable.

I wish Hunter's backstory had been woven throughout the main story better and I really don't think Pine and August's drama needed nearly four episodes.

I liked most of it well enough though. Especially Nithan and Nannam, Irin and Hack, and Florence in general. I liked all the women and about half of the men. Could have been worse. I do think the finale was kind of lackluster but I did appreciate the little moments with everyone and Phuwin's little cameo with a new set of Jungle patrons.

I want this but if the plan is to have them do more BL together I'd also appreciate one where they're not crying most of the time.

We can have both! I believe in you GMMTV.

I care about TopMew. *waves tiny flag*

ETA: want to preface this by saying it's mostly general and not directed at you specifically, it's just something I've been thinking about for a while and I just happened to see this comment and word vomited. 😀

Sand is the one character that I honestly don't care how bad he turns out to be, I will love him regardless, and frankly I wish Ray would take his issues and go back to Mew (or better yet, therapy) and away from him. I can sympathize with Ray but that still doesn't mean that I think he should be anywhere near Sand. Sand has too much on his plate to be dealing with Ray's mess on top of his own and my biggest hope is that he sees that sooner than later (a futile one because I can see the writing on the wall here, but it springs eternal and all that).

I get that Ray's easy to sympathize with because he's got the tragic backstory, but I also think he gets way too much leeway from people in general. Leeway you would not give other characters. Maybe he's everyone else's ride or die - that makes sense I guess, and if so I can understand that because, well. Sand is mine (clearly).

Which isn't to say I blame him for what's up with Sand. Sand led himself into his own feelings with no promises from Ray, he got way ahead of himself and now he has to suffer the consequences of it. What Sand needs to do is get out for his own peace of mind. For more reasons than the fact that Ray will drop him like a hot coal the second Mew crooks his little finger. But unfortunately it looks like Sand lost his spine somewhere between the mock trailer and the final product so I'm probably going to have to wait for Ray to finally ditch him for good to get what I want and that is going to suck.

I mostly agree with you about Nick, but my god I'd love to take "red and green flag" away from people as a concept. Nick is sketch, Boston is also sketch, in a lot of ways they're a match made in sketch heaven and I fully expect Nick to stop playing sweet the second Boston stops falling for the downtrodden puppy look and puts his foot down.

Yes I said that right. I fully believe that Nick is playing too, but he's actually succeeding where Boston's manipulation is obvious. These two have a routine. Boston says something Nick doesn't like, Nick gets this hurt little look but bravely soldiers through it, Boston gives him ground. It's like clockwork. Every time. I am convinced Nick knows *exactly* what he's doing, and honestly out of all these guys he is the one who sees the person he's after most clearly. Not entirely - I think that Boston's outburst at his and Sand's place really shook him up - but clearer than Top and Mew see each other, or Ray and Sand do either. Granted in the other two relationships there's also a lot of people lying to themselves too, so that might be part of it. Nick ain't lying to himself at all - he knows what he wants and he's going for it come hell or high water.

There are no villains or heroes in this show. People need to get that concept right the hell out of their heads. There's just a bunch of screwed up 20 somethings who are flailing around trying to figure out who and what they are and sometimes doing it in extremely destructive ways. Boston might be looking the worst right now but I've seen Jojo in action before and you'd be surprised how fast that can change.

I don't like all these characters, but I do enjoy them and find them interesting. I can understand why people are having trouble with them but I really think that assigning a bad and good label to any of them is way too black and white for what we're getting here and what the show is trying to do.

I do not. I think he was like "ugh Boston" per usual, but then there was the added fun that the guy who tried to blackmail him away from Boston last ep is the one he's snuggling up to and Top is the only one who knows everything...

That scene was so fun. You have Boston who knows that he and Top slept together, Nick who knows Boston and Top slept together and *has a recording of it*, and Top who has slept with Boston and knows that Nick knows and has a recording of it.

And then there's Mew, who might suspect that there's something up with Boston and Top but knows nothing else (as far as we know). I was cackling the entire time.

Lies. I very much want to see that.

Yeah, morals aren't really my concern with this show. I think we're coming at it from two different places and that's fine. I like that Sand found out sooner than later, and yeah, it was cruel, but to my mind it would have been crueler to watch Ray continuously put Sand aside whenever Mew crooked his finger, which was another way it could go (and frankly still might, but at least now if Sand puts himself in the situation for that to happen he's doing it with full knowledge).

I liked parts of it better - I liked that Sand seemed to be more tough. I was a little surprised by how he wound up turning out. Still hoping for that baseball bat though...

But I won't pretend I don't also kind of love the chaos.

HUNTER WHAT IS UP WITH YOU.

Wild theory: he's a ghost.

The first trailer isn't really a trailer, per se. It's more a concept than a final product, something they filmed for the line up only. Some (or a lot of) stuff might be similar, but it was never meant to be the actual trailer.

People quit dramas for all types of reasons. Personally I'd rather they quit than clutter up the page with constant complaints because they don't like something.

I like TopMew even if they exactly as presented. *shrug*

Personally I think the stiltedness people keep complaining about is on purpose, but even if it isn't it still works.

My least favorite couple is SandRay, so...there you go, lol.

I agree about Boston and Nick. They are the only two I can see making it, maybe more in a "they deserve each other way" than a "happily ever after" way, but still. They're both creeps with no boundaries. And I say that affectionately.

First thought: oooh this has the guy who played Nat from Gay OK Bangkok I'm in!

Second thought: Sometimes you just want a good tear jerker, I'm definitely in.

I hope it airs on youtube as well though since I won't get iQiyi. I have enough subscriptions.

No but for real. If he wasn't around causing chaos, when would anything (and my "anything" I mean "mess") get done? Thank goodness he's around to do the most.

Truly, I just think that everything Boston does annoys Top. I would like to say I get it, but frankly Boston isn't that character for me. I can't wait to see what my favorite menace does next.

I also think that he felt some kind of way about he fact that he knows that Nick knows about him and Boston, but Boston has no clue the dude he's all over right now has a literal sex audio of him and Mew knows nothing (as far as we know). It had to be a surreal experience.

Oh huh, I just realized that Sand's episode was a mirror to Ray's. Both of them starting the ep out with a narration where they believe one thing, and ending it with another when they have been shown how untrue that belief is. Yeowch.

Yes I love it. And you can binge it all in one day if you have a whole day to yourself - the seasons are both short.

Have you seen Gay OK Bangkok? It's another Jojo series and while I do not think that it will be exactly like the way that show ends is very much in the same vein as how I expect OF to end. If GMMTV let them get away with it, that is.