my take is that, if you go back to all the confessions they tell her and run. No one actually wants to stick around…
But tbf most people feel shy while making confessions especially when they are young, they usually say their piece and leave and wait until you respond to them..idk why that should be seen as insincere....
I think it's different. Love Like The Galaxy cinematography is more cinema-worthy. Also LLTG use ultra wide screen…
oops I forgot to add mature to it, I meant that the plot was leaning towards love like the galaxy but darker and more mature...(Child abandoned in countryside, mother disciplining her quite harshly, a seemingly dangerous ML, wtc.
Yes it is stalking. The ML himself addressed to himself as stalker and the detective friend asked the FL if she…
Since i think you don't have the capacity to read more than 5 lines that catch your eye let me make this short.
most of your points are just you arguing with yourself because you keep contradicting yourself and quoting yourself from my replies.
"They can't even cure it/make an antidote to un-witch her somehow" (the above is your sentence btw)
- how do you know? wasn't that his job? to help her live a normal life and not just keep her to himself.
"Anyways the rest of the points are more ridiculous. There's no use debating this with someone who is adamant to prove themselves" (i'll reiterate the above ones are yours the ones below are MY thoughts)
- Darling this is not a debate, in a debate you need to listen, read and understand the other side and not just keep proving your own points (its called rebuttal, everyday you learn new words!!).
Honestly unless you have anything other than random shower thoughts to say i won't be replying to it. Good Luck?
The reason for the curse doesn't matter. In creative writing, it is called "literary device".In a timetravel story,…
lmao during isekai no one is trying to bring the person back and hence it doesn't matter and same goes for time travel...but if someone was trying to revert things to normal the cause is necessary. If many people had the curse they should have told us why it happened so everyone gets fixed not just say that loyalty is the answer and end the show.
Yes it is stalking. The ML himself addressed to himself as stalker and the detective friend asked the FL if she…
I asked you why others getting hurt has any correlation to him stalking her lmfao....its like saying because the victim *might* hurt someone you think you have the right to follow them which makes no sense because who are you to make that assumption and what makes you think you are different?
1. Every Sasaeng fan wants to know more about their idol, i hope we can both agree on that right? the ones that get publicized and get called out are the ones that harm the idol but even those who simply follow them around to understand what the idol likes are also stalkers! and btw sasaengs are hurting their social life and sanity by following celebs around i thought that would be obvious which is why i didn't mention it.
2. you literally said stalking is secondary issue because letting infection spread is worse. Now tell me isn't it the same if the ML lets the FL walk around public risking the fact that random strangers will develop a crush on her like the man in the metro without knowing they could die? You are literally giving me more points as to why the research aspect is not a justified reason for stalking, so thanks for that! If he cared about anyone but himself he would have publicized the fact that falling in love with her would and could result in death and she would have either stayed at home or not engaged in conversations with men....And if i'm objectively looking at the drama her being a witch is an illness of sorts because those who have a faint attraction to her and come within a 10m radius get hurt, if they speak more then 10 words they get hurt, etc.
3. As someone who is in STEM and has done research before I'll have you know that 99.9% of the time you have to find the cause of the phenomenon or atleast do research on past occurrences, this man literally makes blanket statements based on a relatively small sample size and decides to risk his life to prove it. IF he actually cared about curing her he would have done extensive research on the cause and history so he could cure her permanently and she could be free to love whomever and not just him. He just found the rules because he wanted to approach her its a fully selfish purpose and not aimed at ensuring she could live normally!
4. "Prevention is better than cure" you don't seem to realize that prevention in this case is locking her up and only letting women or gay men being in contact with her because she literally could kill/hurt anyone that is in contact with her. ok i can look past your other statements and focus on 1, "Nor face-to-face nor through the friend cz he didn't know why and how the people around her are getting hurt (rules)." he could contact her friend and via phone overhear their conversation without getting hurt so why couldn't he just call her and tell her he was planning to research her and if he had is consent? I WILL REPEAT AGAIN RESEARCH IS ILLEGAL WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE SUBJECT!!! him researching her in college is not normal but atleast he did it without stalking her but once he became an adult he was completely volatile and left his life to follow her around and approach her which is creepy af!
"Hence, stalking is a crime that should not be justified/ romanticized in real life but it makes sense in the storyline of this drama. And again a supernatural drama should not be compared to real life."
- It may make sense provided he had an unhealthy obsession with her, i doubt any normal man would make his life revolve around a highschool one sided crush and try to solve her issues without her consent regardless of the reasons. Although this show is supernatural trust me when I say many women fall victim to superstitions like this in asian countries irl. Its not uncommon to blame the woman when things go south and despite this happening people don't drop their whole life for it (no matter how harsh this may sound) it is not normal for a man to follow a woman and it is not normal regardless of the circumstance.
If you think this is normal you need to rethink your ideas on personal boundaries because in many cases media has a powerful role in shaping ideas and in east asian countries where stalking is seen as a minor offense, dramas like these might create misunderstandings that stalking is ok for the "right reasons"....And trust me there are no right reasons for an innocent person to be followed without consent
i mean even the friend said he can be charged for stalking
True, but I don't know it felt very unserious and casual...I wish the FL was creeped out at first when she found out(and maybe he could have slowly made her fall for him). because then i could get over it, but she just accepts him which makes it worse
Agree. The webtoon’s author’s original working title was “The Stalker”Drama would have been much stronger…
Oml that makes so much more sense, I think if they kept the og title less people would argue it isn't stalking, but since the name changed the same actions are probably seen as romantic
oppa_ also commented on my review and made some really good points about the stalking behavior of the ML. Something…
Yeah I guess the writers realized how risky it was to promote stalking culture, its a common misunderstanding that the stalker needs to have bad intentions to make it stalking.....But its too late ngl if you have a show thats 90% following and 5% researching and a measly 5% for an actual couple interaction I don't know how it can be anything romantic
They did not deny the stalking point. But we can't deny the fact that he did not approach her best friend in the…
How is it not forced? from the FL's actions we already know she feels extremely guilty and insecure because of all the people who got hurt because of her, on top of that he confesses to her right and I'm sure the most she felt for him in highschool was curiosity because even when her friend asks her about her past crushes she doesn't even remember him.....After he leaves the clues for her to find, she knows that he will die if she doesn't accept his confession and keep him by her side forever so why wouldn't the desperation she have for relationships prompt her to accept? And i think her gratefulness towards him>>love she felt for him
And about the approaching part, i saw someone who asked why he couldn't just text her or ask her friend to tell her that an anonymous researcher was collecting data to help her out
Yes it is stalking. The ML himself addressed to himself as stalker and the detective friend asked the FL if she…
Ok why does it matter if they get hurt or not? in the sasaeng example what i wanted to demonstrate is that they think they are helping their bias but it is not needed and that it is an invasion of privacy
The scientist example is not about the nature of the actual disease but rather how it is transmitted which may be observed (for example is it airborne, social distancing etc.) and obviously the person following you around is risking infection as well...in this drama for your information he never tries to find out why she became a witch or the nature of a witch, so the blood test you brotught up is completely random...he just wants to know the rules so that he can approach her himself.
Well the reason i had to compare it to real life in the first place is because there are people that think his behaviour is okay, since they don't seem to understand that i used something that would make them understand but from your reply I can see that people will believe whatever they want to believe. And before you say "you aren't defending stalking" and that it was "valid here" , a crime is never valid in any context other than self defence, he could have easily told her that he was researching either face to face or through her friend, she would have been just as touched if not more and if she wasn't interested he could have just let it go. My point is that he had an unhealthy obsession with her since he was in highschool and that SHOULD NOT be considered romantic in any sense
So the writers making him call himself a stalker AND the police officer (his friend) said he could arrest him…
you took the words straight out of my head...the reason why we especially need to draw the line is because we don't know what type od people consume this content, if they are easily impressionable they might assume that this type of stuff is a form of love and actually think its ok for them to also do it
For those of you who keep insisting that the ML is not a stalker:
Stalking is, at its basic level when you follow someone or track them without their consent.
Even if a person is not aware of the stalking, or they have not explicitly told the perpetrator to stop, the behavior is still stalking. This is because it is still taking place without consent, which makes it abusive.
Stalking becomes dangerous when the criminal actually approaches the victim or harasses them, but just because they don't harm them, they don't stop being stalkers.
An example I think all of you will understand are sasaeng fans: they love their bias, maybe even fell for them at first sight, their bias may have noticed them a few times because they supported them so much at concerts and meets. now even if this fan decides to follow the celeb inorder to understand his, say eating preferences so they can mail it to them.....it is still considered stalking right? In stalking intentions don't matter only acts do.
Or just imagine if a scientist wants to understand how a rare virus affects you and decides to follow you around and people around you to find "rules" as to how you get the disease/transmit it, its very creepy and unethical if they do it without telling you and it would be even worse if they had feelings for you.
I also want to add that this is concerning because so many types of people consume this content and god forbid someone might think its romantic to follow your crushes around to an extreme degree and solve their problems without their consent....
So the writers making him call himself a stalker AND the police officer (his friend) said he could arrest him…
I don't understand how people condone stalking like this lmao...if the guy was not attractive you would instantly see how their views change completely (because a hot guy chasing you is romance but if they arent its a crime!)
someone left a review saying "are we romanticizing stalking now" whatever I say isn't me defending stalking but…
Ok so i'm the person that left that review and I understand where you are coming from but in essence stalking is not limited to when people follow you with intentions to harm you that is completely incorrect....Stalking is when someone is following/tracking you without your consent and in many (if not most) cases stalkers love their targets and just wish to know them more....Police, secret agents, etc. are authorized to track you for your safety and unless you are the suspect (in which case its justified) you will be aware that you are being followed otherwise that is ALSO illegal
I don't understand why he couldn't just tell her he was trying to help her from the start and do it with her consent. If she denied so be it, its her choice and it concerns her life. He literally went and invaded her private life, researched about it all without her consent and decided it was ok and that is in essence stalking. And btw if he was doing research it would be illegal to do so without the subject's approval regardless of if it was good for them or not.
People whoever is using stalking word should understand the real meaning of it. Did he really stalked her to force…
ok I heard you out, now imagine a scene completely out of context: " A man follows a young woman quietly without alerting her of his presence, he watches intently as she feeds the neighborhood cats, he follows her back home and notes where she lives, the next day he comes back and buys an apartment that has a direct view into her house so that he can constantly keep an eye on her. He watches as she goes about her day and writes everything down online. She doesn't realize that he planned his whole life around her, he took his stats major because of her, he befriended another person like her, he left his job because of her, he started working at the grocery store to see her up close and now SHE is his life's biggest purpose...but the catch is that she barely knew who he was"
Now after reading this does it seem like a thriller with the criminal's POV or like a scientific experiment that is harmless? you tell me.
Like, how is that battle tango not lifted directly out of My Demon, LOL?And then all the ditzy-GF-manly-BF things...…
SK dramas always reuse certain scenes and there are a huge number of dramas/movies with fight scenes like these since decades in all regions....Theres no such thing as a fully unique drama and I think they added their own personal flair like @cyborg_89 commented.
They obliged to do the tour of the NIS because this is their last chance to retain their team, she is a civilian who got to know about their project, they threatened her before (these could get them in trouble if reported) and they need her help so why wouldn't they do whatever she asks as long as it isn't illegal?
Her accepting could be because she has a pretty strong sense of justice unlike the other teachers and i personally think that JHS wasn't as adamant about her signing it because he is literally the most valued agent whereas the others just piggy back off of his achievements, so they obviously need this mission to be successful more than he does, and he also personally knows her since they were kids so he def cares more about her safety than the rest of his team.
She probably always wanted to be a permanent teacher but I believe the bigger message is that she wants to do it without losing her morals (the student also says that we need more people like you and the same girl was accused of cheating)...Loads of people get motivation to continue doing what they do, due to seemingly meaningless things others tell them and i felt it was pretty normal
If you are talking about unrealistic there will obviously be unrealistic elements when you watch a spy movie where the 31yr old ML manages to pass for a hs student lmfao....But yeah i'll admit its not as realistic as it could have been
I'm few minutes into EP 3 and I'm geniuely so irritated by the FL. I'm questioning her logic a lot like how does…
The reason why she assumes the worst of him is because she not only saw him drinking alcohol (while being a minor) but she also saw him beat up people (regardless of if they were bad ppl or not) so obviously she assumed he would be a bully....She also only noticed the bullying shortly after he came and if you add the fact that the grandma said his name her misunderstanding seems logical....
The real bully is part of the student council and is also quite influential so she probably hoped subconsciously that it wasn't him especially since she is a contract teacher (she's human afterall)
most of your points are just you arguing with yourself because you keep contradicting yourself and quoting yourself from my replies.
"They can't even cure it/make an antidote to un-witch her somehow" (the above is your sentence btw)
- how do you know? wasn't that his job? to help her live a normal life and not just keep her to himself.
"Anyways the rest of the points are more ridiculous. There's no use debating this with someone who is adamant to prove themselves"
(i'll reiterate the above ones are yours the ones below are MY thoughts)
- Darling this is not a debate, in a debate you need to listen, read and understand the other side and not just keep proving your own points (its called rebuttal, everyday you learn new words!!).
Honestly unless you have anything other than random shower thoughts to say i won't be replying to it. Good Luck?
1. Every Sasaeng fan wants to know more about their idol, i hope we can both agree on that right? the ones that get publicized and get called out are the ones that harm the idol but even those who simply follow them around to understand what the idol likes are also stalkers! and btw sasaengs are hurting their social life and sanity by following celebs around i thought that would be obvious which is why i didn't mention it.
2. you literally said stalking is secondary issue because letting infection spread is worse. Now tell me isn't it the same if the ML lets the FL walk around public risking the fact that random strangers will develop a crush on her like the man in the metro without knowing they could die? You are literally giving me more points as to why the research aspect is not a justified reason for stalking, so thanks for that! If he cared about anyone but himself he would have publicized the fact that falling in love with her would and could result in death and she would have either stayed at home or not engaged in conversations with men....And if i'm objectively looking at the drama her being a witch is an illness of sorts because those who have a faint attraction to her and come within a 10m radius get hurt, if they speak more then 10 words they get hurt, etc.
3. As someone who is in STEM and has done research before I'll have you know that 99.9% of the time you have to find the cause of the phenomenon or atleast do research on past occurrences, this man literally makes blanket statements based on a relatively small sample size and decides to risk his life to prove it. IF he actually cared about curing her he would have done extensive research on the cause and history so he could cure her permanently and she could be free to love whomever and not just him. He just found the rules because he wanted to approach her its a fully selfish purpose and not aimed at ensuring she could live normally!
4. "Prevention is better than cure" you don't seem to realize that prevention in this case is locking her up and only letting women or gay men being in contact with her because she literally could kill/hurt anyone that is in contact with her. ok i can look past your other statements and focus on 1, "Nor face-to-face nor through the friend cz he didn't know why and how the people around her are getting hurt (rules)." he could contact her friend and via phone overhear their conversation without getting hurt so why couldn't he just call her and tell her he was planning to research her and if he had is consent? I WILL REPEAT AGAIN RESEARCH IS ILLEGAL WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE SUBJECT!!! him researching her in college is not normal but atleast he did it without stalking her but once he became an adult he was completely volatile and left his life to follow her around and approach her which is creepy af!
"Hence, stalking is a crime that should not be justified/ romanticized in real life but it makes sense in the storyline of this drama. And again a supernatural drama should not be compared to real life."
- It may make sense provided he had an unhealthy obsession with her, i doubt any normal man would make his life revolve around a highschool one sided crush and try to solve her issues without her consent regardless of the reasons. Although this show is supernatural trust me when I say many women fall victim to superstitions like this in asian countries irl. Its not uncommon to blame the woman when things go south and despite this happening people don't drop their whole life for it (no matter how harsh this may sound) it is not normal for a man to follow a woman and it is not normal regardless of the circumstance.
If you think this is normal you need to rethink your ideas on personal boundaries because in many cases media has a powerful role in shaping ideas and in east asian countries where stalking is seen as a minor offense, dramas like these might create misunderstandings that stalking is ok for the "right reasons"....And trust me there are no right reasons for an innocent person to be followed without consent
And about the approaching part, i saw someone who asked why he couldn't just text her or ask her friend to tell her that an anonymous researcher was collecting data to help her out
The scientist example is not about the nature of the actual disease but rather how it is transmitted which may be observed (for example is it airborne, social distancing etc.) and obviously the person following you around is risking infection as well...in this drama for your information he never tries to find out why she became a witch or the nature of a witch, so the blood test you brotught up is completely random...he just wants to know the rules so that he can approach her himself.
Well the reason i had to compare it to real life in the first place is because there are people that think his behaviour is okay, since they don't seem to understand that i used something that would make them understand but from your reply I can see that people will believe whatever they want to believe. And before you say "you aren't defending stalking" and that it was "valid here" , a crime is never valid in any context other than self defence, he could have easily told her that he was researching either face to face or through her friend, she would have been just as touched if not more and if she wasn't interested he could have just let it go. My point is that he had an unhealthy obsession with her since he was in highschool and that SHOULD NOT be considered romantic in any sense
Stalking is, at its basic level when you follow someone or track them without their consent.
Even if a person is not aware of the stalking, or they have not explicitly told the perpetrator to stop, the behavior is still stalking. This is because it is still taking place without consent, which makes it abusive.
Stalking becomes dangerous when the criminal actually approaches the victim or harasses them, but just because they don't harm them, they don't stop being stalkers.
An example I think all of you will understand are sasaeng fans: they love their bias, maybe even fell for them at first sight, their bias may have noticed them a few times because they supported them so much at concerts and meets. now even if this fan decides to follow the celeb inorder to understand his, say eating preferences so they can mail it to them.....it is still considered stalking right? In stalking intentions don't matter only acts do.
Or just imagine if a scientist wants to understand how a rare virus affects you and decides to follow you around and people around you to find "rules" as to how you get the disease/transmit it, its very creepy and unethical if they do it without telling you and it would be even worse if they had feelings for you.
I also want to add that this is concerning because so many types of people consume this content and god forbid someone might think its romantic to follow your crushes around to an extreme degree and solve their problems without their consent....
I don't understand why he couldn't just tell her he was trying to help her from the start and do it with her consent. If she denied so be it, its her choice and it concerns her life. He literally went and invaded her private life, researched about it all without her consent and decided it was ok and that is in essence stalking. And btw if he was doing research it would be illegal to do so without the subject's approval regardless of if it was good for them or not.
" A man follows a young woman quietly without alerting her of his presence, he watches intently as she feeds the neighborhood cats, he follows her back home and notes where she lives, the next day he comes back and buys an apartment that has a direct view into her house so that he can constantly keep an eye on her. He watches as she goes about her day and writes everything down online. She doesn't realize that he planned his whole life around her, he took his stats major because of her, he befriended another person like her, he left his job because of her, he started working at the grocery store to see her up close and now SHE is his life's biggest purpose...but the catch is that she barely knew who he was"
Now after reading this does it seem like a thriller with the criminal's POV or like a scientific experiment that is harmless? you tell me.
They obliged to do the tour of the NIS because this is their last chance to retain their team, she is a civilian who got to know about their project, they threatened her before (these could get them in trouble if reported) and they need her help so why wouldn't they do whatever she asks as long as it isn't illegal?
Her accepting could be because she has a pretty strong sense of justice unlike the other teachers and i personally think that JHS wasn't as adamant about her signing it because he is literally the most valued agent whereas the others just piggy back off of his achievements, so they obviously need this mission to be successful more than he does, and he also personally knows her since they were kids so he def cares more about her safety than the rest of his team.
She probably always wanted to be a permanent teacher but I believe the bigger message is that she wants to do it without losing her morals (the student also says that we need more people like you and the same girl was accused of cheating)...Loads of people get motivation to continue doing what they do, due to seemingly meaningless things others tell them and i felt it was pretty normal
If you are talking about unrealistic there will obviously be unrealistic elements when you watch a spy movie where the 31yr old ML manages to pass for a hs student lmfao....But yeah i'll admit its not as realistic as it could have been
The real bully is part of the student council and is also quite influential so she probably hoped subconsciously that it wasn't him especially since she is a contract teacher (she's human afterall)