Just a different POV here, not attacking yours, just feedback from viewing. Sorry it got especially wordy. 2:30am…
Some of your points are indeed quite reasonable but there are some parts i would like to clarify
2,5 - Normal level of concern in any situation would have been going up to her and asking her if she is okay, and not changing the course of his entire life to help someone he never spoke to. He was already in too deep by the time his mom confessed (on his first day of college he states he chose his major for her, essentially making her his life's purpose)..I agree with the remaining points you made about his mother and her role but imo her confession made him more motivated and that it was not the primary reason why he became obsessed with her.
The other point about the bestfriend, I can't recall if he approached him first in the cafeteria or if the friend approached him first, so i'll just leave it at that. But I think its very odd that he is a magnet of sorts for unlucky people, in the first place if being a witch is that common then there should be more research done on why witches show up out of nowhere.
#3 Again its not like she can stop being a witch by changing her behaviour so this is invalid. Your students may be able to change the way they eat but she can't choose the victims she hurts/kills so he could have easily informed her and worked with her online via say call or zoom. Besides he was following her long before her friend gave the greenlight, she was approached only when he needed more info about college life and present life and because that info was difficult for him to obtain. " Dong Jin thankfully never forces himself" I might add that this is impossible since he would have died if he did.
"Kdrama Crash’s", sorry I didn't understand the analogy since I haven't watched this but I'll try to respond based on what I'm assuming you mean...I fully believe that in a supernatural drama things don't just show up overnight, there's pre-existing mythology, recorded cases and much more info online. For supernatural stuff these myths form a basis for understanding where things show up . From your example I assume something was wrong with the road right? If they figured out what was wrong they could have fixed it = no more accidents. similarly if they found why witches are born = they could prevent it and help her go back to normal. Because I don't think dong-jin being the only one able to approach her is anything close to a normal life, just her having a male confidante.
If he was the kid you claim he was, he should have approached her like you said you approached kids who were misfits. Yes there are people who tend to be kinder than normal which is great if they approach lonely kids and make an impact on their life but My point is that dong-jin and mi-jeong never had ANY interaction besides short glances at each other and its concerning if that triggered him to shift his whole life into approaching her (because lets be real the rules were for him to approach her and he did nothing to make her a normal person, who can freely be loved)
About the 2nd lead couple, trust me I hear you out but I felt like it made no sense for her to confess after seeing 1st hand what happened to those who said the same to mi-jeong, even if their feelings were as strong as you claim they were, it was not enough for her to lay down her life or maybe I could just not be seeing it.
He was following her so he knew she had no one in her life, he makes her friend ask her about past love interests and she doesn't even recall him at all and said there was only 1 instance, after seeing him again in the bus stop all she felt was curiosity and gratitude for the past. Maybe he didn't do it knowingly but considering how smart he is he should have known that a girl denied love for years could be delusioned to think she is in love with the first man who is so undeniably in love with her. I think she has many complex emotions she needs to get sorted with a psychiatrist before deciding whether he is the love of her life or not.
Why did she like the delivery guy? he didn't talk about anything or show his face (neither personality or looks) the only possible reason was that he was the first one to approach her which means she has low standards and she could fall for anyone that approaches her. Before falling for him they had never had a single meaningful conversation beside short interactions, now she is forced to love him for life because he hasn't done research on what happens to those she stops loving right? And if anything happens to him she could be affected for life and never love anyone else. Logic isn't love but it is undeniable she has a lot of emotional baggage due to which she herself can't understand her emotions well.
He became a problem solver for his crush, he left his job to chase her and even his major to help her. Seems much for a person who is compassionate especially when he only finds out how to approach her and not how she can lead a normal life. Besides where will these rules be useful? Its not like any man who is interested in her will telepathically told the rules right? the only purpose the rules play is to tell her that the accidents are happening for a reason and that she can have a bf if she choses to (the only one that will 100% accept her) and that is not compassion. I think the most compassionate one was her friend who only gave and never did anything for herself (Whereas one could argue dong-jin's research was ways for him to approach without the consequence)
He did nothing to relieve her guilt though? she is not going to live normally after this either because men who like her will still get hurt if they are next to her and its not like DJ can always follow around and tell those men the rules. The only difference his research made is that she is now stuck with DJ for life, because he doesn't know what happens if they break up and we don't even know if their personalities are good together because they know nothing about each other but are now stuck together for life. There is also an obvious power imbalance because ending the relationship could possibly mean death and that would force her to never leave him
No show can cater to every audience but I'd like to clarify that this show is not a slow burn, rather it is a slow paced show, we don't know anything about their compatibility with one another and we don't even know the possible issues that could arise if they stop loving one another. I think if this was in the romance category they should have given atleast an hr out of the 10+hrs to them subtly being good for each other.
Anyways out of those who disagreed with me I found yours to be the most logical and well-thought of and I really enjoyed reading and responding to your points. I can see why you think the way you do and it was honestly really fascinating to gain another perspective and on some instances I will admit that you convinced me otherwise.
I find this drama very boring, but I don't agree with the stalker part. I think the intention matters and how…
I keep saying this again and again but stalking is when someone is being followed without their consent, sure it may be easier for the audience to "understand why he is stalking" but it doesn't stop making it stalking.....
His intentions were never to cure her either, he just wanted to find a way in which he could approach her and I don't think he was helping her live a normal life
my take is that, if you go back to all the confessions they tell her and run. No one actually wants to stick around…
But tbf most people feel shy while making confessions especially when they are young, they usually say their piece and leave and wait until you respond to them..idk why that should be seen as insincere....
I think it's different. Love Like The Galaxy cinematography is more cinema-worthy. Also LLTG use ultra wide screen…
oops I forgot to add mature to it, I meant that the plot was leaning towards love like the galaxy but darker and more mature...(Child abandoned in countryside, mother disciplining her quite harshly, a seemingly dangerous ML, wtc.
Yes it is stalking. The ML himself addressed to himself as stalker and the detective friend asked the FL if she…
Since i think you don't have the capacity to read more than 5 lines that catch your eye let me make this short.
most of your points are just you arguing with yourself because you keep contradicting yourself and quoting yourself from my replies.
"They can't even cure it/make an antidote to un-witch her somehow" (the above is your sentence btw)
- how do you know? wasn't that his job? to help her live a normal life and not just keep her to himself.
"Anyways the rest of the points are more ridiculous. There's no use debating this with someone who is adamant to prove themselves" (i'll reiterate the above ones are yours the ones below are MY thoughts)
- Darling this is not a debate, in a debate you need to listen, read and understand the other side and not just keep proving your own points (its called rebuttal, everyday you learn new words!!).
Honestly unless you have anything other than random shower thoughts to say i won't be replying to it. Good Luck?
The reason for the curse doesn't matter. In creative writing, it is called "literary device".In a timetravel story,…
lmao during isekai no one is trying to bring the person back and hence it doesn't matter and same goes for time travel...but if someone was trying to revert things to normal the cause is necessary. If many people had the curse they should have told us why it happened so everyone gets fixed not just say that loyalty is the answer and end the show.
Yes it is stalking. The ML himself addressed to himself as stalker and the detective friend asked the FL if she…
I asked you why others getting hurt has any correlation to him stalking her lmfao....its like saying because the victim *might* hurt someone you think you have the right to follow them which makes no sense because who are you to make that assumption and what makes you think you are different?
1. Every Sasaeng fan wants to know more about their idol, i hope we can both agree on that right? the ones that get publicized and get called out are the ones that harm the idol but even those who simply follow them around to understand what the idol likes are also stalkers! and btw sasaengs are hurting their social life and sanity by following celebs around i thought that would be obvious which is why i didn't mention it.
2. you literally said stalking is secondary issue because letting infection spread is worse. Now tell me isn't it the same if the ML lets the FL walk around public risking the fact that random strangers will develop a crush on her like the man in the metro without knowing they could die? You are literally giving me more points as to why the research aspect is not a justified reason for stalking, so thanks for that! If he cared about anyone but himself he would have publicized the fact that falling in love with her would and could result in death and she would have either stayed at home or not engaged in conversations with men....And if i'm objectively looking at the drama her being a witch is an illness of sorts because those who have a faint attraction to her and come within a 10m radius get hurt, if they speak more then 10 words they get hurt, etc.
3. As someone who is in STEM and has done research before I'll have you know that 99.9% of the time you have to find the cause of the phenomenon or atleast do research on past occurrences, this man literally makes blanket statements based on a relatively small sample size and decides to risk his life to prove it. IF he actually cared about curing her he would have done extensive research on the cause and history so he could cure her permanently and she could be free to love whomever and not just him. He just found the rules because he wanted to approach her its a fully selfish purpose and not aimed at ensuring she could live normally!
4. "Prevention is better than cure" you don't seem to realize that prevention in this case is locking her up and only letting women or gay men being in contact with her because she literally could kill/hurt anyone that is in contact with her. ok i can look past your other statements and focus on 1, "Nor face-to-face nor through the friend cz he didn't know why and how the people around her are getting hurt (rules)." he could contact her friend and via phone overhear their conversation without getting hurt so why couldn't he just call her and tell her he was planning to research her and if he had is consent? I WILL REPEAT AGAIN RESEARCH IS ILLEGAL WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE SUBJECT!!! him researching her in college is not normal but atleast he did it without stalking her but once he became an adult he was completely volatile and left his life to follow her around and approach her which is creepy af!
"Hence, stalking is a crime that should not be justified/ romanticized in real life but it makes sense in the storyline of this drama. And again a supernatural drama should not be compared to real life."
- It may make sense provided he had an unhealthy obsession with her, i doubt any normal man would make his life revolve around a highschool one sided crush and try to solve her issues without her consent regardless of the reasons. Although this show is supernatural trust me when I say many women fall victim to superstitions like this in asian countries irl. Its not uncommon to blame the woman when things go south and despite this happening people don't drop their whole life for it (no matter how harsh this may sound) it is not normal for a man to follow a woman and it is not normal regardless of the circumstance.
If you think this is normal you need to rethink your ideas on personal boundaries because in many cases media has a powerful role in shaping ideas and in east asian countries where stalking is seen as a minor offense, dramas like these might create misunderstandings that stalking is ok for the "right reasons"....And trust me there are no right reasons for an innocent person to be followed without consent
i mean even the friend said he can be charged for stalking
True, but I don't know it felt very unserious and casual...I wish the FL was creeped out at first when she found out(and maybe he could have slowly made her fall for him). because then i could get over it, but she just accepts him which makes it worse
Agree. The webtoon’s author’s original working title was “The Stalker”Drama would have been much stronger…
Oml that makes so much more sense, I think if they kept the og title less people would argue it isn't stalking, but since the name changed the same actions are probably seen as romantic
oppa_ also commented on my review and made some really good points about the stalking behavior of the ML. Something…
Yeah I guess the writers realized how risky it was to promote stalking culture, its a common misunderstanding that the stalker needs to have bad intentions to make it stalking.....But its too late ngl if you have a show thats 90% following and 5% researching and a measly 5% for an actual couple interaction I don't know how it can be anything romantic
They did not deny the stalking point. But we can't deny the fact that he did not approach her best friend in the…
How is it not forced? from the FL's actions we already know she feels extremely guilty and insecure because of all the people who got hurt because of her, on top of that he confesses to her right and I'm sure the most she felt for him in highschool was curiosity because even when her friend asks her about her past crushes she doesn't even remember him.....After he leaves the clues for her to find, she knows that he will die if she doesn't accept his confession and keep him by her side forever so why wouldn't the desperation she have for relationships prompt her to accept? And i think her gratefulness towards him>>love she felt for him
And about the approaching part, i saw someone who asked why he couldn't just text her or ask her friend to tell her that an anonymous researcher was collecting data to help her out
Yes it is stalking. The ML himself addressed to himself as stalker and the detective friend asked the FL if she…
Ok why does it matter if they get hurt or not? in the sasaeng example what i wanted to demonstrate is that they think they are helping their bias but it is not needed and that it is an invasion of privacy
The scientist example is not about the nature of the actual disease but rather how it is transmitted which may be observed (for example is it airborne, social distancing etc.) and obviously the person following you around is risking infection as well...in this drama for your information he never tries to find out why she became a witch or the nature of a witch, so the blood test you brotught up is completely random...he just wants to know the rules so that he can approach her himself.
Well the reason i had to compare it to real life in the first place is because there are people that think his behaviour is okay, since they don't seem to understand that i used something that would make them understand but from your reply I can see that people will believe whatever they want to believe. And before you say "you aren't defending stalking" and that it was "valid here" , a crime is never valid in any context other than self defence, he could have easily told her that he was researching either face to face or through her friend, she would have been just as touched if not more and if she wasn't interested he could have just let it go. My point is that he had an unhealthy obsession with her since he was in highschool and that SHOULD NOT be considered romantic in any sense
So the writers making him call himself a stalker AND the police officer (his friend) said he could arrest him…
you took the words straight out of my head...the reason why we especially need to draw the line is because we don't know what type od people consume this content, if they are easily impressionable they might assume that this type of stuff is a form of love and actually think its ok for them to also do it
For those of you who keep insisting that the ML is not a stalker:
Stalking is, at its basic level when you follow someone or track them without their consent.
Even if a person is not aware of the stalking, or they have not explicitly told the perpetrator to stop, the behavior is still stalking. This is because it is still taking place without consent, which makes it abusive.
Stalking becomes dangerous when the criminal actually approaches the victim or harasses them, but just because they don't harm them, they don't stop being stalkers.
An example I think all of you will understand are sasaeng fans: they love their bias, maybe even fell for them at first sight, their bias may have noticed them a few times because they supported them so much at concerts and meets. now even if this fan decides to follow the celeb inorder to understand his, say eating preferences so they can mail it to them.....it is still considered stalking right? In stalking intentions don't matter only acts do.
Or just imagine if a scientist wants to understand how a rare virus affects you and decides to follow you around and people around you to find "rules" as to how you get the disease/transmit it, its very creepy and unethical if they do it without telling you and it would be even worse if they had feelings for you.
I also want to add that this is concerning because so many types of people consume this content and god forbid someone might think its romantic to follow your crushes around to an extreme degree and solve their problems without their consent....
So the writers making him call himself a stalker AND the police officer (his friend) said he could arrest him…
I don't understand how people condone stalking like this lmao...if the guy was not attractive you would instantly see how their views change completely (because a hot guy chasing you is romance but if they arent its a crime!)
someone left a review saying "are we romanticizing stalking now" whatever I say isn't me defending stalking but…
Ok so i'm the person that left that review and I understand where you are coming from but in essence stalking is not limited to when people follow you with intentions to harm you that is completely incorrect....Stalking is when someone is following/tracking you without your consent and in many (if not most) cases stalkers love their targets and just wish to know them more....Police, secret agents, etc. are authorized to track you for your safety and unless you are the suspect (in which case its justified) you will be aware that you are being followed otherwise that is ALSO illegal
I don't understand why he couldn't just tell her he was trying to help her from the start and do it with her consent. If she denied so be it, its her choice and it concerns her life. He literally went and invaded her private life, researched about it all without her consent and decided it was ok and that is in essence stalking. And btw if he was doing research it would be illegal to do so without the subject's approval regardless of if it was good for them or not.
2,5 - Normal level of concern in any situation would have been going up to her and asking her if she is okay, and not changing the course of his entire life to help someone he never spoke to. He was already in too deep by the time his mom confessed (on his first day of college he states he chose his major for her, essentially making her his life's purpose)..I agree with the remaining points you made about his mother and her role but imo her confession made him more motivated and that it was not the primary reason why he became obsessed with her.
The other point about the bestfriend, I can't recall if he approached him first in the cafeteria or if the friend approached him first, so i'll just leave it at that. But I think its very odd that he is a magnet of sorts for unlucky people, in the first place if being a witch is that common then there should be more research done on why witches show up out of nowhere.
#3 Again its not like she can stop being a witch by changing her behaviour so this is invalid. Your students may be able to change the way they eat but she can't choose the victims she hurts/kills so he could have easily informed her and worked with her online via say call or zoom. Besides he was following her long before her friend gave the greenlight, she was approached only when he needed more info about college life and present life and because that info was difficult for him to obtain.
" Dong Jin thankfully never forces himself" I might add that this is impossible since he would have died if he did.
"Kdrama Crash’s", sorry I didn't understand the analogy since I haven't watched this but I'll try to respond based on what I'm assuming you mean...I fully believe that in a supernatural drama things don't just show up overnight, there's pre-existing mythology, recorded cases and much more info online. For supernatural stuff these myths form a basis for understanding where things show up . From your example I assume something was wrong with the road right? If they figured out what was wrong they could have fixed it = no more accidents. similarly if they found why witches are born = they could prevent it and help her go back to normal. Because I don't think dong-jin being the only one able to approach her is anything close to a normal life, just her having a male confidante.
If he was the kid you claim he was, he should have approached her like you said you approached kids who were misfits. Yes there are people who tend to be kinder than normal which is great if they approach lonely kids and make an impact on their life but My point is that dong-jin and mi-jeong never had ANY interaction besides short glances at each other and its concerning if that triggered him to shift his whole life into approaching her (because lets be real the rules were for him to approach her and he did nothing to make her a normal person, who can freely be loved)
About the 2nd lead couple, trust me I hear you out but I felt like it made no sense for her to confess after seeing 1st hand what happened to those who said the same to mi-jeong, even if their feelings were as strong as you claim they were, it was not enough for her to lay down her life or maybe I could just not be seeing it.
He was following her so he knew she had no one in her life, he makes her friend ask her about past love interests and she doesn't even recall him at all and said there was only 1 instance, after seeing him again in the bus stop all she felt was curiosity and gratitude for the past. Maybe he didn't do it knowingly but considering how smart he is he should have known that a girl denied love for years could be delusioned to think she is in love with the first man who is so undeniably in love with her. I think she has many complex emotions she needs to get sorted with a psychiatrist before deciding whether he is the love of her life or not.
Why did she like the delivery guy? he didn't talk about anything or show his face (neither personality or looks) the only possible reason was that he was the first one to approach her which means she has low standards and she could fall for anyone that approaches her. Before falling for him they had never had a single meaningful conversation beside short interactions, now she is forced to love him for life because he hasn't done research on what happens to those she stops loving right? And if anything happens to him she could be affected for life and never love anyone else. Logic isn't love but it is undeniable she has a lot of emotional baggage due to which she herself can't understand her emotions well.
He became a problem solver for his crush, he left his job to chase her and even his major to help her. Seems much for a person who is compassionate especially when he only finds out how to approach her and not how she can lead a normal life. Besides where will these rules be useful? Its not like any man who is interested in her will telepathically told the rules right? the only purpose the rules play is to tell her that the accidents are happening for a reason and that she can have a bf if she choses to (the only one that will 100% accept her) and that is not compassion. I think the most compassionate one was her friend who only gave and never did anything for herself (Whereas one could argue dong-jin's research was ways for him to approach without the consequence)
He did nothing to relieve her guilt though? she is not going to live normally after this either because men who like her will still get hurt if they are next to her and its not like DJ can always follow around and tell those men the rules. The only difference his research made is that she is now stuck with DJ for life, because he doesn't know what happens if they break up and we don't even know if their personalities are good together because they know nothing about each other but are now stuck together for life. There is also an obvious power imbalance because ending the relationship could possibly mean death and that would force her to never leave him
No show can cater to every audience but I'd like to clarify that this show is not a slow burn, rather it is a slow paced show, we don't know anything about their compatibility with one another and we don't even know the possible issues that could arise if they stop loving one another. I think if this was in the romance category they should have given atleast an hr out of the 10+hrs to them subtly being good for each other.
Anyways out of those who disagreed with me I found yours to be the most logical and well-thought of and I really enjoyed reading and responding to your points. I can see why you think the way you do and it was honestly really fascinating to gain another perspective and on some instances I will admit that you convinced me otherwise.
His intentions were never to cure her either, he just wanted to find a way in which he could approach her and I don't think he was helping her live a normal life
most of your points are just you arguing with yourself because you keep contradicting yourself and quoting yourself from my replies.
"They can't even cure it/make an antidote to un-witch her somehow" (the above is your sentence btw)
- how do you know? wasn't that his job? to help her live a normal life and not just keep her to himself.
"Anyways the rest of the points are more ridiculous. There's no use debating this with someone who is adamant to prove themselves"
(i'll reiterate the above ones are yours the ones below are MY thoughts)
- Darling this is not a debate, in a debate you need to listen, read and understand the other side and not just keep proving your own points (its called rebuttal, everyday you learn new words!!).
Honestly unless you have anything other than random shower thoughts to say i won't be replying to it. Good Luck?
1. Every Sasaeng fan wants to know more about their idol, i hope we can both agree on that right? the ones that get publicized and get called out are the ones that harm the idol but even those who simply follow them around to understand what the idol likes are also stalkers! and btw sasaengs are hurting their social life and sanity by following celebs around i thought that would be obvious which is why i didn't mention it.
2. you literally said stalking is secondary issue because letting infection spread is worse. Now tell me isn't it the same if the ML lets the FL walk around public risking the fact that random strangers will develop a crush on her like the man in the metro without knowing they could die? You are literally giving me more points as to why the research aspect is not a justified reason for stalking, so thanks for that! If he cared about anyone but himself he would have publicized the fact that falling in love with her would and could result in death and she would have either stayed at home or not engaged in conversations with men....And if i'm objectively looking at the drama her being a witch is an illness of sorts because those who have a faint attraction to her and come within a 10m radius get hurt, if they speak more then 10 words they get hurt, etc.
3. As someone who is in STEM and has done research before I'll have you know that 99.9% of the time you have to find the cause of the phenomenon or atleast do research on past occurrences, this man literally makes blanket statements based on a relatively small sample size and decides to risk his life to prove it. IF he actually cared about curing her he would have done extensive research on the cause and history so he could cure her permanently and she could be free to love whomever and not just him. He just found the rules because he wanted to approach her its a fully selfish purpose and not aimed at ensuring she could live normally!
4. "Prevention is better than cure" you don't seem to realize that prevention in this case is locking her up and only letting women or gay men being in contact with her because she literally could kill/hurt anyone that is in contact with her. ok i can look past your other statements and focus on 1, "Nor face-to-face nor through the friend cz he didn't know why and how the people around her are getting hurt (rules)." he could contact her friend and via phone overhear their conversation without getting hurt so why couldn't he just call her and tell her he was planning to research her and if he had is consent? I WILL REPEAT AGAIN RESEARCH IS ILLEGAL WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE SUBJECT!!! him researching her in college is not normal but atleast he did it without stalking her but once he became an adult he was completely volatile and left his life to follow her around and approach her which is creepy af!
"Hence, stalking is a crime that should not be justified/ romanticized in real life but it makes sense in the storyline of this drama. And again a supernatural drama should not be compared to real life."
- It may make sense provided he had an unhealthy obsession with her, i doubt any normal man would make his life revolve around a highschool one sided crush and try to solve her issues without her consent regardless of the reasons. Although this show is supernatural trust me when I say many women fall victim to superstitions like this in asian countries irl. Its not uncommon to blame the woman when things go south and despite this happening people don't drop their whole life for it (no matter how harsh this may sound) it is not normal for a man to follow a woman and it is not normal regardless of the circumstance.
If you think this is normal you need to rethink your ideas on personal boundaries because in many cases media has a powerful role in shaping ideas and in east asian countries where stalking is seen as a minor offense, dramas like these might create misunderstandings that stalking is ok for the "right reasons"....And trust me there are no right reasons for an innocent person to be followed without consent
And about the approaching part, i saw someone who asked why he couldn't just text her or ask her friend to tell her that an anonymous researcher was collecting data to help her out
The scientist example is not about the nature of the actual disease but rather how it is transmitted which may be observed (for example is it airborne, social distancing etc.) and obviously the person following you around is risking infection as well...in this drama for your information he never tries to find out why she became a witch or the nature of a witch, so the blood test you brotught up is completely random...he just wants to know the rules so that he can approach her himself.
Well the reason i had to compare it to real life in the first place is because there are people that think his behaviour is okay, since they don't seem to understand that i used something that would make them understand but from your reply I can see that people will believe whatever they want to believe. And before you say "you aren't defending stalking" and that it was "valid here" , a crime is never valid in any context other than self defence, he could have easily told her that he was researching either face to face or through her friend, she would have been just as touched if not more and if she wasn't interested he could have just let it go. My point is that he had an unhealthy obsession with her since he was in highschool and that SHOULD NOT be considered romantic in any sense
Stalking is, at its basic level when you follow someone or track them without their consent.
Even if a person is not aware of the stalking, or they have not explicitly told the perpetrator to stop, the behavior is still stalking. This is because it is still taking place without consent, which makes it abusive.
Stalking becomes dangerous when the criminal actually approaches the victim or harasses them, but just because they don't harm them, they don't stop being stalkers.
An example I think all of you will understand are sasaeng fans: they love their bias, maybe even fell for them at first sight, their bias may have noticed them a few times because they supported them so much at concerts and meets. now even if this fan decides to follow the celeb inorder to understand his, say eating preferences so they can mail it to them.....it is still considered stalking right? In stalking intentions don't matter only acts do.
Or just imagine if a scientist wants to understand how a rare virus affects you and decides to follow you around and people around you to find "rules" as to how you get the disease/transmit it, its very creepy and unethical if they do it without telling you and it would be even worse if they had feelings for you.
I also want to add that this is concerning because so many types of people consume this content and god forbid someone might think its romantic to follow your crushes around to an extreme degree and solve their problems without their consent....
I don't understand why he couldn't just tell her he was trying to help her from the start and do it with her consent. If she denied so be it, its her choice and it concerns her life. He literally went and invaded her private life, researched about it all without her consent and decided it was ok and that is in essence stalking. And btw if he was doing research it would be illegal to do so without the subject's approval regardless of if it was good for them or not.