In the novel its heavily implied that mumu had feelings for him but the FL couldn't decide if they were purely…
yeah that was the catalyst for sheng to realize that qingyu liked him but I feel like she kept trying to deny anything was going on and the truth came out through her writing because deep down she was so bothered by the prospect. Since they changed her passion for writing and calligraphy to dance, I assume that they'll have to adapt that as her dancing out her jealousy? (since they also changed their first encounter to them meeting while she was dancing instead of her doing calligraphy) lol that sounds ridiculous when I write it...but maybe since ML is also into music he might get the drift of what she's trying to express.
In the novel its heavily implied that mumu had feelings for him but the FL couldn't decide if they were purely…
I wouldn't say good relationship but it doesn't get toxic, mumu feels guilty about what she did to qingyu and sheng especially when she sees how heartbroken sheng is over qingyu leaving. She gets closer to qingyu (even qingyu's overbearing mother approves of their friendship) and they stay friends (they are especially close because both have only each other).
Eventually when mumu leaves for college she cuts contact with sheng but occasionally writes letters to qingyu talking about college experiences. (When she cut contact with sheng everyone in class assumed they were in a relationship including qingyu but this never led to any confrontation)
I don't know if Mumu liked Ming Shen in the novel,but i hope the drama won't take that route. And Honestly, if…
In the novel its heavily implied that mumu had feelings for him but the FL couldn't decide if they were purely from a sibling sort of love or from a romantic pov. I'm personally leaning towards the romantic pov purely because of how she acts in the drama, the nervousness, the avoid eye contact, etc. hints to that imo.
I just finished episode 4....will the whole series be set in high school? Or will they also see them as adults?…
From what I read in the novel, this story should progress from high school to university and if we are lucky we might get an epilogue of their future life.
I really want to watch this but Ive seen clips on tiktok and x, and theyre all depressing hahaha. I dont want…
Its not really a tragedy, its mainly a family member uncovering the life of someone who already passed away. Personally I didn't get as affected because we already know that they are dead (as opposed to watching them die after getting attached). Majority of the show is just toxic parents dealing with grief and how a society vilifies a dead girl.
Can you guys share your thoughts with me on the mom? I want some different perspectives.
See I personally have mixed thoughts...
They don't really show her parenting skills pre-Beiyu incident (besides ofc, her abandoning beiyu in the village and not being bold enough to bring her back) but honestly a lot of parents who are struggling financially choose to leave behind their children with relatives until they are stable enough to live together. One could also argue that she didn't know her daughter well enough to be able to distinguish whether she truly wanted to stay away from her parents and just took her response at face value.
Post-Beiyu we see her clearly grieving, and perhaps most of it is guilt...Like qingyu says on multiple instances her parents were responsible for atleast 80% of beiyu's miseries and I guess she realizes that herself and wants to hide from the truth so it doesnt haunt her. Many people (like beiyu's ex) pointed out that qingyu was growing to resemble beiyu and perhaps her mother thinks that qingyu might face the same fate as beiyu and believes that if she is "protected" from everything that harmed her sister then maybe she wont turn out the same way.
She definitely isn't a good parent but I'm pretty sure her inherent nature isn't bad and she is just traumatized by what happened to beiyu. She should go get some help and cut her children off from the toxic "qiao" family that is very obviously sexist and responsible for what happened to beiyu
It's not so much about what he says (he calls her overweight, by the way), but that the 1st episode/screenwriter…
if you think something is wrong that's your opinion, and it is also an opinion if I disagree with you.
The purpose of my original comment is to prevent people from dropping the drama without even watching it based on what a few self-proclaimed activists claim the "idea" of the story is and the subsequent comments were to share my thoughts on what i believe to be misinterpretations to those who replied to MY original comment, If they had something to say to me I'd be happy to hear them out.
If you didn't like this show share your opinion and move on, no one's forcing you to watch it. Instead you spam the comments of those with different opinions from yours by using zero logic and childish arguments.
It's not so much about what he says (he calls her overweight, by the way), but that the 1st episode/screenwriter…
But isn't the message of any series shown by the actions of the characters? The ML clearly never calls her ugly and only unhealthy he only ever advertises a healthy lifestyle...If it was an ugly duckling to beautiful swan like you say it is then shouldn't the ML have said that he would help her get a bf or make her prettier or something along those lines? He just says she should improve herself by changing what she can control...(In fact the only one who called her ugly and was left uncorrected was her sister but then again don't all siblings do that?)
you said that you were stuck with the painful image of her accepting the gym membership because of her insecurities but to me it feels like the start of her character arc, most people are insecure and start to work on themselves due to their insecurities and this drama only just started airing so only her future motives can throw more light on whether this should be seen as "painful" or the start of something great.
Yes she is starting it for male validation but then again most people start working on themselves for societal validation (The ML himself started because everyone thought he was frail and I believe he was also sent to the orphanage because of it) and I think it shows the start to her journey of self-discovery and acceptance and judging the message of the show negatively after just one episode is ludicrous...
The bodybuilding scene definitely has its fair share of substance use but this drama never glorifies body building, they also clearly show how much sheer will the ML has towards his goals and i think that should be the main focus.
Its yet to be seen like you said but I hope the ML aswell stops obsessing over muscles thanks to the FL and moves towards a more sustainable and fulfilling life...
It's not so much about what he says (he calls her overweight, by the way), but that the 1st episode/screenwriter…
BMI is not a foolproof way to check if someone is healthy or not, most gyms actually measure the muscle to fat ratio to determine whether one is fit or not. A person could be perfectly healthy by BMI standards but have a lot of fat concentrated in one particular area and be unhealthy. (In fact when theres a lot of visceral fat it leads to increased risk of heart disease, fatty liver, etc.)
Besides the ML has seen how the FL is living her life because the first time they met she was excessively drunk and that could help him infer that most of the fat on her is from lifestyle choices.
I don't agree with the thought that there is an ugly duckling portrayal in fact i felt like it was the opposite, He states that you can't control anything in life except your own body and that she would feel empowered and confident if she is able to control her own body, he never said she would become popular or anything along those lines, he just said he would change her life by altering the only thing she could change.
Although its good to be confident in your own skin I think its equally good to want to improve yourself (as long as she isn't doing it for others). And if you saw the epilogue you would have seen the ML admonishing the guy by saying that he shouldn't blame others for his own issues.
From what I saw in ep1 this drama is about self improvement, the FL will go from an insecure person with an unhealthy lifestyle to a confident woman who takes care of herself and the ML went from a premature baby to a body builder through sheer will and I'm sure we'll see more character development from him.
After the first ep I really don't think this drama promotes body shaming...
-He never shamed her as a person (or brought up personal insecurities) and he clearly states that she has a lot of fat and less muscle. -He also mentions her lifestyle/posture would lead to other diseases like diabetes, etc. and it makes sense that she should lose weight/gain muscle to prevent that
I think body shaming is seen in dramas where they make the "ugly girl" chubby or they try to say that becoming skinny will make you popular or even when they make subtle jokes about body fat, not when they encourage improving posture and building muscle to improve your overall life...
(Besides since he is a gym owner whose gym is in the red it makes sense for him to slightly exaggerate to get her to enroll but i never felt like he was personally attacking her at any point)
I feel that GY is just physically attracted toward DZT and doesn't actually like her as a person because he barely…
He obviously likes her looks but its so much more than that, At first he was curious about her when he saw her passing by, then drinking the same weird brand of water as him and also when he sees how money conscious she is but most of all because they had so much in common (100% in compatibility and the chemistry test) she also seemed to care about him and advises him and she is overall seen to be very independent and capable.
I feel that GY is just physically attracted toward DZT and doesn't actually like her as a person because he barely…
He obviously likes her looks but its so much more than that, At first he was curious about her when he saw her passing by, then drinking the same weird brand of water as him and also when he sees how money conscious she is but most of all because they had so much in common (100% in compatibility and the chemistry test) she also seemed to care about him and advises him and she is overall seen to be very independent and capable.
I feel that GY is just physically attracted toward DZT and doesn't actually like her as a person because he barely…
He obviously likes her looks but its so much more than that, At first he was curious about her when he saw her passing by, then drinking the same weird brand of water as him and also when he sees how money conscious she is but most of all because they had so much in common (100% in compatibility and the chemistry test) she also seemed to care about him and advises him and she is overall seen to be very independent and capable.
Just a different POV here, not attacking yours, just feedback from viewing. Sorry it got especially wordy. 2:30am…
Some of your points are indeed quite reasonable but there are some parts i would like to clarify
2,5 - Normal level of concern in any situation would have been going up to her and asking her if she is okay, and not changing the course of his entire life to help someone he never spoke to. He was already in too deep by the time his mom confessed (on his first day of college he states he chose his major for her, essentially making her his life's purpose)..I agree with the remaining points you made about his mother and her role but imo her confession made him more motivated and that it was not the primary reason why he became obsessed with her.
The other point about the bestfriend, I can't recall if he approached him first in the cafeteria or if the friend approached him first, so i'll just leave it at that. But I think its very odd that he is a magnet of sorts for unlucky people, in the first place if being a witch is that common then there should be more research done on why witches show up out of nowhere.
#3 Again its not like she can stop being a witch by changing her behaviour so this is invalid. Your students may be able to change the way they eat but she can't choose the victims she hurts/kills so he could have easily informed her and worked with her online via say call or zoom. Besides he was following her long before her friend gave the greenlight, she was approached only when he needed more info about college life and present life and because that info was difficult for him to obtain. " Dong Jin thankfully never forces himself" I might add that this is impossible since he would have died if he did.
"Kdrama Crash’s", sorry I didn't understand the analogy since I haven't watched this but I'll try to respond based on what I'm assuming you mean...I fully believe that in a supernatural drama things don't just show up overnight, there's pre-existing mythology, recorded cases and much more info online. For supernatural stuff these myths form a basis for understanding where things show up . From your example I assume something was wrong with the road right? If they figured out what was wrong they could have fixed it = no more accidents. similarly if they found why witches are born = they could prevent it and help her go back to normal. Because I don't think dong-jin being the only one able to approach her is anything close to a normal life, just her having a male confidante.
If he was the kid you claim he was, he should have approached her like you said you approached kids who were misfits. Yes there are people who tend to be kinder than normal which is great if they approach lonely kids and make an impact on their life but My point is that dong-jin and mi-jeong never had ANY interaction besides short glances at each other and its concerning if that triggered him to shift his whole life into approaching her (because lets be real the rules were for him to approach her and he did nothing to make her a normal person, who can freely be loved)
About the 2nd lead couple, trust me I hear you out but I felt like it made no sense for her to confess after seeing 1st hand what happened to those who said the same to mi-jeong, even if their feelings were as strong as you claim they were, it was not enough for her to lay down her life or maybe I could just not be seeing it.
He was following her so he knew she had no one in her life, he makes her friend ask her about past love interests and she doesn't even recall him at all and said there was only 1 instance, after seeing him again in the bus stop all she felt was curiosity and gratitude for the past. Maybe he didn't do it knowingly but considering how smart he is he should have known that a girl denied love for years could be delusioned to think she is in love with the first man who is so undeniably in love with her. I think she has many complex emotions she needs to get sorted with a psychiatrist before deciding whether he is the love of her life or not.
Why did she like the delivery guy? he didn't talk about anything or show his face (neither personality or looks) the only possible reason was that he was the first one to approach her which means she has low standards and she could fall for anyone that approaches her. Before falling for him they had never had a single meaningful conversation beside short interactions, now she is forced to love him for life because he hasn't done research on what happens to those she stops loving right? And if anything happens to him she could be affected for life and never love anyone else. Logic isn't love but it is undeniable she has a lot of emotional baggage due to which she herself can't understand her emotions well.
He became a problem solver for his crush, he left his job to chase her and even his major to help her. Seems much for a person who is compassionate especially when he only finds out how to approach her and not how she can lead a normal life. Besides where will these rules be useful? Its not like any man who is interested in her will telepathically told the rules right? the only purpose the rules play is to tell her that the accidents are happening for a reason and that she can have a bf if she choses to (the only one that will 100% accept her) and that is not compassion. I think the most compassionate one was her friend who only gave and never did anything for herself (Whereas one could argue dong-jin's research was ways for him to approach without the consequence)
He did nothing to relieve her guilt though? she is not going to live normally after this either because men who like her will still get hurt if they are next to her and its not like DJ can always follow around and tell those men the rules. The only difference his research made is that she is now stuck with DJ for life, because he doesn't know what happens if they break up and we don't even know if their personalities are good together because they know nothing about each other but are now stuck together for life. There is also an obvious power imbalance because ending the relationship could possibly mean death and that would force her to never leave him
No show can cater to every audience but I'd like to clarify that this show is not a slow burn, rather it is a slow paced show, we don't know anything about their compatibility with one another and we don't even know the possible issues that could arise if they stop loving one another. I think if this was in the romance category they should have given atleast an hr out of the 10+hrs to them subtly being good for each other.
Anyways out of those who disagreed with me I found yours to be the most logical and well-thought of and I really enjoyed reading and responding to your points. I can see why you think the way you do and it was honestly really fascinating to gain another perspective and on some instances I will admit that you convinced me otherwise.
I find this drama very boring, but I don't agree with the stalker part. I think the intention matters and how…
I keep saying this again and again but stalking is when someone is being followed without their consent, sure it may be easier for the audience to "understand why he is stalking" but it doesn't stop making it stalking.....
His intentions were never to cure her either, he just wanted to find a way in which he could approach her and I don't think he was helping her live a normal life
Since they changed her passion for writing and calligraphy to dance, I assume that they'll have to adapt that as her dancing out her jealousy? (since they also changed their first encounter to them meeting while she was dancing instead of her doing calligraphy) lol that sounds ridiculous when I write it...but maybe since ML is also into music he might get the drift of what she's trying to express.
Eventually when mumu leaves for college she cuts contact with sheng but occasionally writes letters to qingyu talking about college experiences. (When she cut contact with sheng everyone in class assumed they were in a relationship including qingyu but this never led to any confrontation)
Yes, it has romance.
They don't really show her parenting skills pre-Beiyu incident (besides ofc, her abandoning beiyu in the village and not being bold enough to bring her back) but honestly a lot of parents who are struggling financially choose to leave behind their children with relatives until they are stable enough to live together. One could also argue that she didn't know her daughter well enough to be able to distinguish whether she truly wanted to stay away from her parents and just took her response at face value.
Post-Beiyu we see her clearly grieving, and perhaps most of it is guilt...Like qingyu says on multiple instances her parents were responsible for atleast 80% of beiyu's miseries and I guess she realizes that herself and wants to hide from the truth so it doesnt haunt her. Many people (like beiyu's ex) pointed out that qingyu was growing to resemble beiyu and perhaps her mother thinks that qingyu might face the same fate as beiyu and believes that if she is "protected" from everything that harmed her sister then maybe she wont turn out the same way.
She definitely isn't a good parent but I'm pretty sure her inherent nature isn't bad and she is just traumatized by what happened to beiyu. She should go get some help and cut her children off from the toxic "qiao" family that is very obviously sexist and responsible for what happened to beiyu
The purpose of my original comment is to prevent people from dropping the drama without even watching it based on what a few self-proclaimed activists claim the "idea" of the story is and the subsequent comments were to share my thoughts on what i believe to be misinterpretations to those who replied to MY original comment, If they had something to say to me I'd be happy to hear them out.
If you didn't like this show share your opinion and move on, no one's forcing you to watch it. Instead you spam the comments of those with different opinions from yours by using zero logic and childish arguments.
you said that you were stuck with the painful image of her accepting the gym membership because of her insecurities but to me it feels like the start of her character arc, most people are insecure and start to work on themselves due to their insecurities and this drama only just started airing so only her future motives can throw more light on whether this should be seen as "painful" or the start of something great.
Yes she is starting it for male validation but then again most people start working on themselves for societal validation (The ML himself started because everyone thought he was frail and I believe he was also sent to the orphanage because of it) and I think it shows the start to her journey of self-discovery and acceptance and judging the message of the show negatively after just one episode is ludicrous...
The bodybuilding scene definitely has its fair share of substance use but this drama never glorifies body building, they also clearly show how much sheer will the ML has towards his goals and i think that should be the main focus.
Its yet to be seen like you said but I hope the ML aswell stops obsessing over muscles thanks to the FL and moves towards a more sustainable and fulfilling life...
Besides the ML has seen how the FL is living her life because the first time they met she was excessively drunk and that could help him infer that most of the fat on her is from lifestyle choices.
I don't agree with the thought that there is an ugly duckling portrayal in fact i felt like it was the opposite, He states that you can't control anything in life except your own body and that she would feel empowered and confident if she is able to control her own body, he never said she would become popular or anything along those lines, he just said he would change her life by altering the only thing she could change.
Although its good to be confident in your own skin I think its equally good to want to improve yourself (as long as she isn't doing it for others). And if you saw the epilogue you would have seen the ML admonishing the guy by saying that he shouldn't blame others for his own issues.
From what I saw in ep1 this drama is about self improvement, the FL will go from an insecure person with an unhealthy lifestyle to a confident woman who takes care of herself and the ML went from a premature baby to a body builder through sheer will and I'm sure we'll see more character development from him.
-He never shamed her as a person (or brought up personal insecurities) and he clearly states that she has a lot of fat and less muscle.
-He also mentions her lifestyle/posture would lead to other diseases like diabetes, etc. and it makes sense that she should lose weight/gain muscle to prevent that
I think body shaming is seen in dramas where they make the "ugly girl" chubby or they try to say that becoming skinny will make you popular or even when they make subtle jokes about body fat, not when they encourage improving posture and building muscle to improve your overall life...
(Besides since he is a gym owner whose gym is in the red it makes sense for him to slightly exaggerate to get her to enroll but i never felt like he was personally attacking her at any point)
2,5 - Normal level of concern in any situation would have been going up to her and asking her if she is okay, and not changing the course of his entire life to help someone he never spoke to. He was already in too deep by the time his mom confessed (on his first day of college he states he chose his major for her, essentially making her his life's purpose)..I agree with the remaining points you made about his mother and her role but imo her confession made him more motivated and that it was not the primary reason why he became obsessed with her.
The other point about the bestfriend, I can't recall if he approached him first in the cafeteria or if the friend approached him first, so i'll just leave it at that. But I think its very odd that he is a magnet of sorts for unlucky people, in the first place if being a witch is that common then there should be more research done on why witches show up out of nowhere.
#3 Again its not like she can stop being a witch by changing her behaviour so this is invalid. Your students may be able to change the way they eat but she can't choose the victims she hurts/kills so he could have easily informed her and worked with her online via say call or zoom. Besides he was following her long before her friend gave the greenlight, she was approached only when he needed more info about college life and present life and because that info was difficult for him to obtain.
" Dong Jin thankfully never forces himself" I might add that this is impossible since he would have died if he did.
"Kdrama Crash’s", sorry I didn't understand the analogy since I haven't watched this but I'll try to respond based on what I'm assuming you mean...I fully believe that in a supernatural drama things don't just show up overnight, there's pre-existing mythology, recorded cases and much more info online. For supernatural stuff these myths form a basis for understanding where things show up . From your example I assume something was wrong with the road right? If they figured out what was wrong they could have fixed it = no more accidents. similarly if they found why witches are born = they could prevent it and help her go back to normal. Because I don't think dong-jin being the only one able to approach her is anything close to a normal life, just her having a male confidante.
If he was the kid you claim he was, he should have approached her like you said you approached kids who were misfits. Yes there are people who tend to be kinder than normal which is great if they approach lonely kids and make an impact on their life but My point is that dong-jin and mi-jeong never had ANY interaction besides short glances at each other and its concerning if that triggered him to shift his whole life into approaching her (because lets be real the rules were for him to approach her and he did nothing to make her a normal person, who can freely be loved)
About the 2nd lead couple, trust me I hear you out but I felt like it made no sense for her to confess after seeing 1st hand what happened to those who said the same to mi-jeong, even if their feelings were as strong as you claim they were, it was not enough for her to lay down her life or maybe I could just not be seeing it.
He was following her so he knew she had no one in her life, he makes her friend ask her about past love interests and she doesn't even recall him at all and said there was only 1 instance, after seeing him again in the bus stop all she felt was curiosity and gratitude for the past. Maybe he didn't do it knowingly but considering how smart he is he should have known that a girl denied love for years could be delusioned to think she is in love with the first man who is so undeniably in love with her. I think she has many complex emotions she needs to get sorted with a psychiatrist before deciding whether he is the love of her life or not.
Why did she like the delivery guy? he didn't talk about anything or show his face (neither personality or looks) the only possible reason was that he was the first one to approach her which means she has low standards and she could fall for anyone that approaches her. Before falling for him they had never had a single meaningful conversation beside short interactions, now she is forced to love him for life because he hasn't done research on what happens to those she stops loving right? And if anything happens to him she could be affected for life and never love anyone else. Logic isn't love but it is undeniable she has a lot of emotional baggage due to which she herself can't understand her emotions well.
He became a problem solver for his crush, he left his job to chase her and even his major to help her. Seems much for a person who is compassionate especially when he only finds out how to approach her and not how she can lead a normal life. Besides where will these rules be useful? Its not like any man who is interested in her will telepathically told the rules right? the only purpose the rules play is to tell her that the accidents are happening for a reason and that she can have a bf if she choses to (the only one that will 100% accept her) and that is not compassion. I think the most compassionate one was her friend who only gave and never did anything for herself (Whereas one could argue dong-jin's research was ways for him to approach without the consequence)
He did nothing to relieve her guilt though? she is not going to live normally after this either because men who like her will still get hurt if they are next to her and its not like DJ can always follow around and tell those men the rules. The only difference his research made is that she is now stuck with DJ for life, because he doesn't know what happens if they break up and we don't even know if their personalities are good together because they know nothing about each other but are now stuck together for life. There is also an obvious power imbalance because ending the relationship could possibly mean death and that would force her to never leave him
No show can cater to every audience but I'd like to clarify that this show is not a slow burn, rather it is a slow paced show, we don't know anything about their compatibility with one another and we don't even know the possible issues that could arise if they stop loving one another. I think if this was in the romance category they should have given atleast an hr out of the 10+hrs to them subtly being good for each other.
Anyways out of those who disagreed with me I found yours to be the most logical and well-thought of and I really enjoyed reading and responding to your points. I can see why you think the way you do and it was honestly really fascinating to gain another perspective and on some instances I will admit that you convinced me otherwise.
His intentions were never to cure her either, he just wanted to find a way in which he could approach her and I don't think he was helping her live a normal life