JoJo

I really hated it at first and found it very annoying but I continued watching because the mains are some of my most favourite actors and I'm glad I did. It grew on me.

I was expecting so much more. It seems like they're set on feeding fanservice based on the hypothetical relationship between the actors and they're not set on the story or the characters at all.
The scene at his parent's house was so tense and stiff. It wasn't fluid at all, it was like Mew and Gulf visited some strangers where Mew's dog lives?!?.. they even dressed like Mew and Gulf, not like Tharn and Type. The brother singlehandedly carried that whole scene.
It's good to have some Easter eggs once in a while but it doesn't seem like 7 yrs have passed and the scenes they said were intense were just not built up at all. Maybe it's because it's the first episode. Maybe give it some time.
The splashes of misogyny aren't doing them any favours as well, but that was something I was already expecting.
I'm very disappointed they didn't really include Techno in their first episode. He's the highlight that ties everything together.
They probably needed more time to do this since the audio seemed to be messed up too. It's ok to take some time.

With this casting and production it should be illegal to make something so bad.

This is so badly done that I watched the last episode some time ago and didn't even realise it was the last one.

I don't see a story. I see a player trying to convince himself he loves someone and a person just going with the flow. I don't really get the purpose or the point. The group settings are just embarrassing. Maybe I just don't get in I didn't really enjoy the set of of these series at all. These aren't for me.

I agree! I never really hated a lead character and I think I hate Bae Ta Mi now! She just seems to show absolutely no emotion yet being extra dramatic in her choices. She also doesn't have a good moral backbone. It's ok to have flaws, everyone has them but she does very questionable things. I loved Scarlett and the second couple a lot! I was only able to finish this because of them!! They're so good together! I just didn't enjoy the way she cried, that was completely unnecessary. I really hate how this drama was filmed. It was "too creative" at times. It just made me lose interest by being too dramatic and too passive/subjective at times. One could even say "romantic". This is a story about badass women, not classical Disney Princesses! They messed up the pace, making it boring, added warm light and played with light in romantic scenes making them cringy, added variety music to the car wrecking scene making it look like they were making fun of them instead of making them look badass and they do a negotiation scene just soft-focusing on the eyes??It seems like the directors don't take women seriously or just decided to experiment with this drama! I would only watch this again if it's remade with women directors.

I just started watching this and I really don't know who thought this soundtrack would be a good option.

Even if you take out the romance part, their relationship is simply toxic. Friends don't act like that and don't treat each other like trash.

I'm so angry that this was directed by two dudes! They ruined an excellent story. Why would they make it slow paced and have it as if we're outside looking into their lives instead of living them with them?
Why the overly dramatic/romantic lighting? Just everything, why???

There's a profound dissonance between the story and its visual representation and acting direction sometimes.
This is an active story, full of proactive women and interesting events, yet they try to over dramatise romantic moments. No, that light has no way being there. It's f*cking raining and it's evening, they're inside and there's no sun coming through to that window!! You can tell her interest just by the way he captures her attention, there's no need for these gimmicks!

And just why would you film two people having a conversation from a distance they'd have to be shouting at each other if there wasn't the existence of microphones and this being a drama?
Just so we can see the falling leaves from the sakura tree? Is there no other way to do this? It's ok to film it as if we're on the outside looking in but the story isn't like that! The story is very first person, it's not a window into women's lives!!!!!

They couldn't deal with women doing stuff so they had to slow them down and give them romantic traits they personally don't have. The direction really ruined it for me, and I'm only on episode 5.

This is just terrible.
She can't find jobs because she's ugly. Being ugly means curly hair and freckles (?). They gave her rosacea and it didn't look bad at all, she looked better than with all the makeup. Going from comfortable shoes to very high heels. They're turning her into the idea of women they try to turn every woman instead of praising our differences and how beautiful they are.
The leads actions are too out of character. They don't match and seem completely unnatural. Both the male leads treat her like garbage. Pranking someone and getting on their nerves all the time is no cute.
The leads have no chemistry. She seems like his mother.

She's backstabbed by her best friend and they never really talk about it.
I can't with all this.

I'm not criticising the acting. I'm criticising the story.
You should read my comment again and ask me if you have any doubts about what I'm saying. I think I was very clear, but you never know.

I have experience with the illness and I never said I was an expert. I'm providing my point of view just like you can provide yours and both can coexist in the same space.

"A very small number of people with Alzheimer disease have the early-onset form."

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/alzheimers-disease/earlyonset-alzheimer-disease


It's more common on people over 65. I was talking about dementia not just Alzheimer's.
I was saying it's not the norm to have dementia when so young. I didn't denied it happened, I do know it happens but it certainly is not the norm in these illnesses.

You treat patients with EARLY onset Alzheimer's so it is in the norm in your case. I was referring to the overall people who get dementia not just the ones who get it early in life.

You don't know anything about my relationship with the illness and I don't have to disclose it.

Can we talk about how a 43yo actress is playing someone who is supposed to have dementia?
I know some cases of dementia happen in younger people but it's absolutely not the norm.
I can't even tell how old her character is supposed to be.

And they're treating dementia as something you can get better from. Dementia is not a cold. People with dementia can't promise not to forget something. They'll eventually forget everything even how to talk, walk and eat in some cases. This seems very disrespectful and just straight lack of research to portray this illness like this. I don't know if I prefer this or when they portray dementia as regression to childhood.

It's sad they think +35yo want cheesy and poetic...
Sigh
I found it too annoying at times and too cheesy overall.

OMG! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
That's exactly it, gay people are starved for representation and that can lead to watching almost anything. The difference is that adults with some life experience will have a different perspective and context that young people might not have.
That's why I'm so demanding with all genres of media, they influence young and older people and model the relationships they'll have and the standards they might apply even subconsciously. We need better media if we're going to prepare a better world for young people not to go through the same trauma we did! I'm sure I wouldn't have entertained so many of my relationships if I knew that was not how a relationship was supposed to be and hadn't been told to ignore almost all red flags that showed me I would be entering a toxic relationship.
Gay representation was even more scarce so I had to deal with that part of myself only very recently.
This drama reminded me of the James Charles ordeal and how that can be taxing for young gays and even put them in danger. Green was lucky that guy isn't a homophobe which in turn just turns Green into an abuser trying to force a relationship where they were told no several times. I'm sure we can do better than this and we don't have to rely on toxic traits to have comedy. Comedy can't be a justification for abuse.
That's why I decided to start writing my own LGBT stories. I'm starting with a BL story that isn't centered on "coming out" and isn't a tragic story, just a regular story where the characters happen to be gay or find out they're gay. It probably won't have much humour since I'm mostly sarcastic but we'll see! Maybe one day it will end up turned into a drama if it proves good or popular enough! A girl can dream! Haha

FORCE!! There you go! The only word I will emphasize. You can't force someone to see/be/confront something they don't want to.

You have your interpretation of the drama, I have mine. Every person is entitled to their own interpretation.

I don't have a gaydar, I respect the way people wish to present themselves to me and try not to assume anyone's orientation, not even characters in a series.

You can choose to dismiss stereotypes that are clear to me that your bias might not let you see and I choose to dismiss the ones you presented me.

Assuming he's gay just because he's not homophobic and treats guys like humans is not a good premise imho.

He says he's straight and I'm sure he hasn't discovered his bi judging from the way he looks at the bass player (I'm not even going to retain the names because I'm not gonna continue watching it) and the way he tried to make excuses to meet him. That would be sufficient to portray his preference and closetedness instead of offering a caricature of what women can be, reinforcing once more these stereotypes. Do you know how many times I listen from men the "you're not like other girls" line? It's not a compliment and it's a symptom of girls being portrayed exactly like this drama did.

It's not my intention to ruin the drama for anyone, I really hope you enjoy the drama and if it makes you feel good, that's great. I just want to pass my message across because I think it's equally important.

I've said everything I had to say about this and i think I've explained my point of view extensively.

You have your reasons and your understanding and it's always good to point them out, I don't agree with everything you said but i understand why you said it!

I'm thinking of publishing them on Tapas and maybe on wattpad since the genre is popular there too. For now I've only created a patreon where I'm sharing part of the creative process and where I'll share the VERY hot stuff.

It doesn't have a lot there yet and a lot might change too, I haven't been spreading the word because of that, I've been waiting to have more on there but I'll leave the link if you'd like to take a look http://bit.ly/joanaspatreon

Thank you for your comments anyway, I have taken what you said into consideration. I've read everything everyone has said to me today and I might not agree with many things but I've read it and pondered on it.

I'm trying to do something and I'm trying even more than that. I have started writing my own BL and LGBT stories.

From what I can tell, what pushes people towards these stories is the connection between two people, the sex and the vulnerability. At least, that's what I can gather. It's completely possible to have that and represent healthy relationships, I've seen it done before even in BL.

From what I've seen so far (episode 1) it's toxic to gay people as well. You might have representation but do you really need representation that completely disregards a person's nature?

The guy is represented as straight. His view of women is as a straight man. If he's really a straight man and views women like that it's bad. My take is that they're trying to tell people (like it has been done/implied in other Thai BL) they get fed up of women and go gay, that's not how gay works or no woman would be heterosexual. That's how I saw it and that's how I've seen it portrayed before and it's my opinion on it.

You see an abusive gay man trying to get a straight man to date him (at this point we only know he's straight). You see that straight man trying to drug the gay guy to escape him? How is that comedy? I don't get it.

It's ok for someone to be gay or bi and not realise it yet. It can take a long time for someone to realise they're gay. It's not ok for a gay person to push themselves onto someone who isn't into them and has specifically told them no several times.

I know that shows don't need to educate people all the time but there's a difference between educating and making a joke of serious issues that get people killed.

You can still have your show and enjoy it and I can still voice my opinion on it.

So, people agree with what I say and recognise the problems I'm addressing but can't get past the fact I'm an "angry feminist".
I've been addressing these issues for decades, I am tired.
My objective isn't to convert anyone, it's to give feedback about something I care about and probably get some sparks going on the minds of people who might already be questioning but don't know if their concerns are valid.

I'm not calling anyone stupid and if you read my replies, I talk about internalised misogyny and how these stories are like this from learned behaviours and unhealthy expectations being pushed on to women by society and the media. There are plenty of stories like this and we need to push them to do better so society can progress as well. We can't expect girls to know that jealousy isn't a sign of love if we keep on showing them that in almost every show.

I think that people need better relationship models to aspire to and better stories that serve as a frame or maybe even benchmark for the ones they'll have in their lives.
It's all about education, educating people for healthy relationships, educating them on gay visibility and exposing them to different ways of existing. You can do that with humour without having to demean anyone or present caricatures of people. I really believe that.

Have you ever heard of internalised misogyny? Who do you think has ran most of the publications directed towards women and have set those impossible statuses? Who are the main photographers and retouchers that create unreal standards and women who basically don't exist?
Intergenerational trauma is also a thing, with our mothers having an unhealthy relationship with their bodies and passing it up to us.
Society sets up women for competition since birth, saying how a good men is hard to find and basically throwing us all against each other when it's the other way around.
I believe in young girls and I believe we can make their future easier for them by pushing for better stories.

I do know some fans are in it for superficial reasons but I refuse to believe that if they were presented good plots and good writing they wouldn't buy it.

The HIStory series is a great example of that. If we can do that, we can do so much more. Having actual queer women and people writing queer stories is the way to educate and entertain at the same time, at least that's my goal.

In these series, the reviews have been very real and you see people aren't satisfied, if we keep pushing this will stop being the go-to plot and things will evolve.