JoJo

I don't need to have a PHD on Thai BL to know or point when something is sending the wrong/unhealthy message. I've watched enough to know what are the basic tropes and I don't want to see them perpetuated since they're harmful.

I understand it perfectly! I said what I said and I stand by it. You don't need to make comedy by demeaning women.

Ohh! And bras are expensive! I'm certainly not burning those! Lol

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Where did I say ALL? I said the majority! The majority is not all, your bias is showing. #notallmen

There's something called internalised misogyny and those works are a sign of that.

If wanting healthy relationships and calling out what's wrong in the media makes me a bra-burning feminist, so be it!

@brad_8 I do know most BL writers are women at least in Japanese Yaoi culture and have pushed many unhealthy relationship models on to young girls that internalised them as "true love" because it's what they have learned and experienced. We end up internalising these models in such a way that we dismiss important signs that tell us that the relationships we're in are abusive.
I did notice that many Thai BL had male writers, I didn't check for this one. I was talking about the media in general, most writers in general media are men. This happens in all genres, not just BL. That's why domestic violence is so worrying all around the world.

This is why I started writing BL, I want to show young girls and women that there can be stories with healthy relationships and by commenting on here I'm also hoping to raise awareness about this so that girls don't have to go through what I have and so many women still do.

The nerd, she only cares about studying, if that's so why did she enter a relationship in the first place? Why reduce her like that?
The "self-absorbed" that takes selfies all the time.
The indecisive that doesn't know what to order but doesn't want whatever he suggests. She probably only eats salads because that's all women eat.
The "crazy" girlfriend that gets mad for no reason and will probably stab him for no reason at all.
The one who only like designer brands and extorts designer bags from the bf.

How isn't this bad? These are things men talk about women all the time to tell us it's all we are. These are the main representations of women in the media not because we're like this but because it's all we ever see in the media and how men think we are. (Since most of the writers are men)

I get the "you're not like other girls" all the time because men don't even take time to talk to women and find out how we are. It's not a compliment to hear this and it's not true at all. This show just ads to this and makes it worse because it drives a supposedly straight guy into "turning gay". The message women make men gay doesn't seem like a good one (especially because that's not how homosexuality works).

I hope you can open up your horizons and connect with women on a deeper level without prejudice.
It starts with us women leaving our ideas the media and society has told us we are and with trying to diversify the women we keep in contact with.
I suggest going deeper into the topics you like and try to talk with women there. I'm sure a new world will open up to you.

They're reductive and harmful. They're resorting to stereotypes that have been hurting women and putting them in position to be abused in relationships. Men by seeing this think women are just that, women by seeing this think society might be right when they treat them like they do, we actually are vain, clingy, hysterical and crazy.
What a way to show young people that relationships can be healthy and women can have other dimensions! Ugh!

Can you just say you hate women and go?
Why have all these negative stereotypes about women to justify why a "straight" guy would start dating men?
A gay guy who harasses a straight guy and throws him into the arms of a guy he will love?

It's one thing to not realise you're gay or bi but you can do that without pushing harmful stereotypes and behaviours.

So now we're giving terminal illnesses to AI?
Haven't we suffered enough?

This drama is too long, too boring and doesn't make sense. It's not for me.

So you just made it worse by implying darker skin is unhealthy??
White skin is not about healthcare. This drama is not about healthcare. The Asian beauty culture is influenced by western models of beauty, beauty all over the world is influenced by Western beauty ideals. Making someone's skin healthier doesn't remove melanin, if it does it's an abrasive method and it shouldn't be done. You can't deny the prevalence of whitening products in Asia. They don't propose healthier skin, they propose whiter skin.
She gets more confident because she now falls in line with what they call beautiful, not because she's confident in herself, she's confident the image others see of her is accepted by them. There's a difference.
I hope you don't have to see many of these dramas and don't have to be too exposed to western models of beauty and get Asian models that look like you for representation. With wider representation of what women can be and how they can look like we'll have healthier and more confident women without them having to change themselves towards an ideal very few can achieve.

This might be an interesting article about this https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/society/article/2184747/asias-addiction-whiter-skin-runs-deep-backlash-has-begun

So, another drama that tells women and girls that they are not beautiful the way they naturally are and sells the skin whitening and girls with glasses trope! I don't need this in my life, no woman or girl does.
They didn't even apply makeup in her arms when she's answering the phone at some point and you can clearly see the difference from her face to her arms. Why not hire an actress with darker skin and let people enjoy different types of beauty instead of telling everyone they need to be extremely white?

I just started watching this and I think I have found the Korean Edward Scissorhands. Even the background music is similar. I don't know how I feel about this.

It doesn't matter if it's deep or not. Most times you see offensive stuff being passed down as a joke as means of perpetuating behaviours that aren't acceptable in society anymore.
You can still be fine and enjoy your drama and I can still voice my opinion on it.
My medical knowledge shouldn't even be a factor here. No, it's not my profession and yes I know the environment very well.
You can be unbothered all you want and just leave my bothered comment alone.

My parents are healthcare professionals, I grew up in this environment. I know the practical implications of perpetuating this hierarchy. It might seem like a small detail but it has an overall effect on the way society views the medical staff. Dramas aren't just a source of entertainment, they shape the way we view the world and that should always be taken into consideration.
I watched up close the rage of my Japanese friends when the scandal of the Japanese university who refused women because they are women broke. One of my friends was one of them. The smart doctor Vs dumb nurse is a tired trope that has awful consequences in real life.
I read the message this way even if it wasn't their intention and I'm voicing my concerns so that they do better in the future and account for their message to be taken in different ways.

Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking like this!

It's not off topic, it's all linked. The details of a story have broader implications you can't just reduce to a reason someone chose to follow a profession. You have to see how they have framed that profession in the drama (caring for nurses vs saving for doctors) and you have to see the implications that surround those professions in the country that drama is from. This might affect someone else's decision just like it has affected yours.
Having a romantic/on a whim purpose and framing it as a profession for caring is pushing the idea that women are nurturers and are only marriage oriented which is very patronising and reductive.
You might not see it as I do, you might think I'm overreacting as well, which can be normal. My comments are direct mainly at the authors/producers to do better next time and think about all the implications and if that also makes someone else think about this subject more, it's good as well.

I judge the examples we provide people. That's why this app gives us the opportunity to write reviews. These type of dramas keep showing women outdated social models and expectations. I'm not ok with that. When in Japan you have universities that actively refuse students (especially medicine students) with the sole reason of them being women, telling them they're not cut out for medical life, I think we can do better with providing them examples and motivation for their life.

It's one thing to be inspired by a piece of art and it's a completely different thing to follow a path just to chase a guy you saw once so that you see him again and "win his love".

It's exactly that. It's just such a tired trope. I used to roll my eyes a lot when watching itazura na kiss (I watched the drama version.... ????) But I just don't even have the stomach to watch this one and I absolutely love Sato Takeru.