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Thanks - that helps!

Who are those two gorgeous guys in that house? They don't seem to have anything to do with the rest of the story. Are they going to be important at some point?

Agreed. After the first time I ever had any physical affection from a boy that was non-ambiguous, there was no going back. Type is BOTTOMING REPEATEDLY and is still confused? Sorry, but no. It's frustrating and unpleasant to watch.

Nope. I was getting frustrated with the repetitiveness, and like one minute later into Ep 4, Type made his surprising request. It's exciting that there's actual physical contact between the leads unlike most Thai BL dramas.

Never mind.

I'm having a hard time slogging through this show - does it stop being so repetitive at some point? I'm on ep 4 part 1.

I think it's largely because Pha & Wayo had their story rushed through too fast and without obstacles for us to get invested. Also, Pha is played by the Worst Actor in Human History. I have an intense physical attraction to Wayo, but the acting there isn't helping anything, either. Plus, the actors who play Ming, Kit, and Forth are just so much better and more engaging, so Pha & Wayo just fade into the background.

I totally agree - context matters. If someone is trying to be insulting, that's an issue, as it's not only homophobic but also misogynist. Men are often nicknamed for something stupid they've done, which is no worse than being called "wifey".

I feel like you're devaluing both bottoms and women. Biologically, in a male-female relationship, humankind has evolved so that the male puts his thing in the female, and a top puts his thing in a bottom. I don't see how one is lesser than the other. On the other hand, Thai BL seems to me to be intensely misogynistic and homophobic - "I'm not gay, I just happen to love and get f#$% by a man." On the other other hand, I haven't really seen it used in a demeaning way, at least in 2moons2.

I agree there are lots of problems in BL, like rape (at least m/m) being romanticized - there are times when one guy puts on a pretense of resistance, and I'm OK with that, but there are others where someone is actively fighting back and shouting "no!" and "get off of me!" until they are forcibly held down. Also using effeminacy ("ladyboys") as (incredibly loud and exaggerated) comic relief (which to me is as shockingly offensive as people wearing blackface), women largely being vicious and conniving plot devices, and whoever writes the subtitles using "gonna" and "wanna", which to a native speaker is like having hot needles poked into your eyeballs (it should never be in writing unless you're trying to make a character sound like an illiterate bumpkin - "I'm gonna go to the store" is essentially "I'm going to go to the store", which is terrible grammar. "I'm going to the store" is what you would almost always use, at least if you graduated from high school [or in some regional dialects in the USA]). Obviously the rape thing is more important than the gonna thing (which is actually only irritating and not outweighed by my gratitude for having subtitles at all).

On the other hand "Wait, can I be the top?" "No." [Throws him down and has his way with him] was funny and hot. That shows you a character can be sexy-domineering without being a rapist.

I'm a gay man and I am not bothered at all at being called "wife", which is usually teasing or ironic. It's not insulting in the slightest unless you're misogynistic and devalue "feminine" attributes. That being said, I'm not within the Thai cultural context, so I have nothing to say on whether or not it's demeaning in that setting.

Sotus was good because of the Arthit actor, better writing, and better production values. Sotus S made me break things, it was so frustrating, and then Our Skyy rescued the situation. The Our Skyy director is doing Dark Blue Kiss, so I have hope.

Oh, thanks - that's great background. Instead of Sotus S, it would have been nice to go back and tell the story from Arthit's POV - that would have made it an entirely different experience. I totally agree about Our Skyy, that was awesome - I really like that director. Sometimes a shorter and more concise story is better than a long hot mess.

To be fair, the actors are much better in Theory of Love than the usual, and you're right, Thai BL is getting better - I should give the newer ones a chance. I found Kiss and Kiss Me Again really irritating, but I'll watch Dark Blue Kiss for the director, who did two of the best (IMHO) works, Our Skyy and He's Coming to Me. Plus, it has New :)

That's surprising since it looks like they spent about $5 on it. That's why I've gone on to Taiwanese dramas - they get real actors and crews. I'm over the endlessly repeated formula in Thai BL. I like He's Coming to Me because it was different, and at least there was a good reason why the mains weren't doin' it. And both actors are a step above the usual Thai BL level (which is a low, low bar).

The only problem for me (and I guess it's a big one) is that I don't feel any chemistry between Phana & Wayo, and I'm not sure I understand why anyone thinks Phana is attractive (either physically or personality) - why would anyone pick Phana over Forth? On the other hand, the actor playing Wayo is so beautiful it's painful to look at him. The other series was reversed - hot Phana & meh Wayo, at least for me.

Anyway, I'm glad there are two very appealing side romances.

I think Sotus was the best of the Thai BL dramas, but I still don't think it was all that good. It had great actors and a coherent plot, but the total lack of affection between the main pair made it hard to believe there was anything but a medium-strength friendship. I don't need there to be sex scenes, although adults in relationships do tend to have sex from time to time - nor did there even need to be tons of making out scenes, but maybe just one in 40 hours of drama would have been OK? Arthit seemed to have revulsion for being touched by Kongpob - it just didn't feel like love.

Sorry for the mis-post. My real opinion is that you were much too generous with your rating. It should have been at least -3. I hate Knock so much I was really hoping he would be brutally murdered. Korn would have to really hate himself to take Knock back at the end, because he'll just have another gay panic and find the next sleazy scheming ho that walks by and become her devoted boyfriend even AFTER HE CATCHES HER CHEATING ON HIM.