Robin

So what I say : "I'm sorry but I disagree strongly when people starts a competition in who has it worst....otherwise I can also easily compared too the situation of people dying from starvation in Yemen and the situation of LGBT+ people and say : "Hey, Yemen people has it worst. So, LGBT+ people : why complaining ?" Nope. It's not an enough good argument. "

And for you it means this :
"stop trying to call straight people oppressed because THEY'RE NOT.".

I'm sorry but I don't know how you've come to that conclusion from what I have written.

PS : you can say thank you to the people dying from starvation in Yemen, because for you they are just straight people that should just shut up. How considerate.

However, one thing is sure. I won't bother replying anymore to people who are not honest, distort your words and are aggressive while I've been respectful in my words. I've better things to do. So blocked.

"I’ve seen upwards of 30 BL shows"....For someone who don't like "BLs", you watch a lot of BLs....

I'm quoting myself : "Nobody should be pointed at just because of a "hobby", their gender or their sexual orientation. "

I'm sorry but I disagree strongly when people starts a competition in who has it worst....otherwise I can also easily compared too the situation of people dying from starvation in Yemen and the situation of LGBT+ people and say : "Hey, Yemen people has it worst. So, LGBT+ people : why complaining ?" Nope. It's not an enough good argument.

Calling fans of BL fujoshis is not harmless : the word implies AT THE SAME TIME homophobia and misogyny : because romantic relationships between men is considered as "rotten" and women having this hobby are also considered as "rotten", having "dirty thoughts". The word has been used by BL fans themselves as a mean of self-defense - or self-depreciation since "Fujoshi" was used at the origin by the anime and the gaming (largely male) fandoms against yaoi (mainly) fangirls....

Nobody should be pointed at just because of a "hobby", their gender or their sexual orientation.

I also disagree strongly about the heavy separation you put between "straight" and LGBT+ but that is another subject and it'll be too long for this page of discussion....

Yes, I don't think we'll have the same point of view but thank you for contributing for the discussion anyways ! :)

Ok, it's a personal opinion you don't like (and I don't agree to all of it too) but...

Calling people watching BL "fujoshi" is pejorative and insulting, like calling people you don't like "faggot"...

People ship, and so what ? It's their business. If some of them take it too far, it's not because they are "shippers", but because that hobby becomes an "obsession". You have that unfortunately in every fandom, not only in BL....

In every genre, you have good works and bad works....BL is no different...So why demonizing a whole genre just because it is called BL ?

Also you seem to think that to understand a LGBT+ show, you need to be LGBT+ ? So you're segregating cultural products based on the sexual orientation now ?

Not really....It's really difficult to be able to express something which is not "all" or "nothing". And often people erase the nuances of your words.

- "It's the flaws of his personality who can lead to something less lovely soon, and even "toxic". There is a possibility." I've said : "there is a possibility" and "even". It can be but it is not sure. So I'm not exactly saying : "some people have a basic personality which makes them more prone to be toxic". NO.

-I've said : "If I'm honest, I personally think they shouldn't be lovers or even friends.". It's my opinion about Teh and Oh-aew. Did I say "and so no one should have a relationship with them?". NO. Nowhere, I've said Teh shouldn't be in a relationship in general....however I'm quite doubting the possibility of THIS relationship being strong and stable. But it's my opinion and I won't see them personally and prevent them to see each other lol. Besides, it's only a series....

So let's just say Teh's character makes me wary of him and I'm waiting for more episodes to see how all of this will go. But since I'm pessimistic, I'm saying it'll be bad.

Still it's a very good series, beautifully shot, whit a smart script, excellent actors. I just don't empathise that much with one of the characters (for now). But maybe all of this will change later?

However, if this series wants to be realistic, they should definitely address Teh's flaws (and I guess Oh-aew flaws too). Otherwise, I personally think it would lose its credibility for me. I just can't see how everything will be like a miraculous ray of sunshine just because they confess love to each other (if they get in a relationship ?).

Such a lovely series. The cliché fight was too funny for me...especially the order in the "saving" lol. Of course Kurosawa will be the ultimate white knight....

As a teen, Teh still has that competitive (and then possessive, selfish, etc.) side to him (that we guess when he was a child). He also likes to be the center of attention (it's not a surprise he wants to be an actor/artist). So it's not a matter of being too young then or just an "accident" due to circumstances : otherwise this side of him would have been less present when he has grown up as a teenager.

It's his basic personality just like you have quiet or turbulent children. Later, they'll grow up but this basic personality will still be there (more or less), unless some major events completely transform the person.

Just because Teh feels some kind of attraction that makes him confused and lost doesn't mean this basic personality has changed right away. It's the flaws of his personality who can lead to something less lovely soon, and even "toxic". There is a possibility.

I didn't say Teh has to make up to Oh-aew continuously though but I'm just pessimistic about him as a character. I wonder how his personality will play (for the better or the worse ?) in his relationship with Oh-aew. Unless it is not the focus of the story or the series.

If I'm honest, I personally think they shouldn't be lovers or even friends.

Well that's your view. I have another one, that's all. I might change my view with more episodes though. But for now, I don't think Teh is trustworthy.

I didn't say he's toxic but that I think his flaws can bring toxicity in his relationship with others. I also recognize that his feelings are quite complex.

As for youth, well....I'm not sure. You can be young and do very bad things. You have examples in the news but I won't discuss this matter here since it will be a topic too heavy for this page of MDL.

Also with a manipulative personality, they alternate between moments of manipulation and moments of "kindness" which made their victim (and the relatives) confused. That's how manipulative personalities can have the upper hand on their victims...I'm not saying Teh is at that stage but it can lead to this...His flaws can...The seed is here, for now.

So Teh of course can be a good friend at times, but still, he has this manipulative side. Both are complementary in his case and that's why I'm very wary of him. This combination can lead to bad things. Let's hope it won't happen (and maybe it won't happen ?).

I don't know all of the teenagers of the world to say they are manipulative, so I can't answer you on that part.

I think Teh is not really a nice person and I don't really feel sympathy for him, for now, unless he changes...That's how I feel and you can't change what I feel, sorry.

I respect the fact you still have a more lenient view on his character though but it is not my case.

Yes, let's hope he will change and sort out his feelings !

Well maybe it is a strong word...but it is somewhat his manipulative side and his self-centered self who made me say the word. You describle well his flaws in your comment and that's why I think his flaws can turn relationship with others toxic : envy", "jealous", etc. It is more than immaturity. That doesn't mean his feelings and emotions are not complex. Love can be there too, attraction, moments of true worry, etc.

Anyways, let's agree to disagree on the use of this word ?

Oh it's not a negative criticism of the series ! I think too it is well written and well thought. Just I don't like that much the character for now. If he changes, for sure, he will grow on me :)

A really nice episode who ends with a tender and heartwarming touch. I like this series because of this softness and the care the characters (friends, family, love interest...) have for each other (despite the emotional scenes in which feelings of hurt is expressed).

Edit : The OST is also really great in this series !

I'm not sure we can talk about a "teenage" love. Every person have different ways to experience love as a teenager (but also as an adult).

For me, even Teh's "friendship" is (was) toxic. His competitive side basically destroys that "childhood" friendship (before they meet again later). He was (and still is) not a very good "friend" for me. Teh has apologized to Oh-aew but he doesn't act like he's really sorry. He's using his ascendancy on people close to him to get what he wants (like he uses his girlfriend).

This kind of personality is not a matter of being young. He will most likely hurt people close to him (while hurting himself too in the process since he will feel quite lonely) and bring toxicity in his relationships. Let's just hope he will change, as a human being....not only because he's just a teenager who needs to grow up.

Because being young and inexperienced is not an excuse. Bas and Oh-aew have very different characters from him and they are teenagers and also inexperienced in love (unless there is a twist in the plot). Some teenagers can also be mature, empathic, kind, etc...Not every teenager is like Teh.

Also being an adult doesn't mean you manage emotions and learn to protect yourself. Otherwise, you wouldn't have depression, suicide, self-harming as huge health problems in our societies....

Nice new episode. I think Teh is still quite manipulative and selfish though....So I don't like that much his character.

Ok I think I'm the only one to feel like that lol. Nice series but I feel like something is missing (well for me). Going to wait for more episodes because I really want to love this series (it is beautifully shot, good writing etc.)

This is more and more like X-Men lol

Ep. 8 was more interesting and they are finally in university !