Robin

It would have been nice if they have written differently and more coherently the script, for sure. But something bothers me in your comment. For instance : "First of all, don't make everyone gay. This is not realistic. "

But the creator or his crew are not exactly our "servants".

"I said I could write a better story"

Why are we belittling the creator to make ourselves noticed ?

I really think we should, as viewers, as fans, reflect on ourselves too.
Those shows are problematic (and you've appropriately shown it here and in previous comments). But viewers can be problematic too.

Are you a toxic viewer or fan ? Here some tips....
1. Possessiveness : "the toxic fans feel like they own the content they're fans of, that it belongs to them, and only to them".
2. Entitlement : "Since in their mind, they [the fans] have a sense of ownership of the thing they are fans of, the creators of that thing must do whatever they the fans demand."
3. The feeling of superiority : "Toxic fans feel superior to other fans who are less intense/obsessive, who are often labeled 'casuals'."

What is a non-toxic fan or viewer ?
1. "A good fan will respect, admire, and praise something or someone, without attempting to control the persons behind the thing they like."
2. "A good fan, on the other hand, may request something or think 'it would be nice if they went in this direction', but accepts that sometimes creators won't do what they want."
3. "Healthy fans accept non-fans and don't mind the fact that different people watch or like different things".

Source : Rachael Lefler : https://reelrundown.com/misc/5-Factors-that-Can-Cause-Toxic-Fandom-to-Arise

It is not the end of the world...

OK, OK, people, I agree the two last episodes were not stellar and I am quite disappointed too. I was also really annoyed yesterday. But the series is not THAT BAD though. I'm just hoping it won't turn into a huge witch hunt against the crew on Internet and social media...Please, no toxicity....
Why does it turn always like this ?
When something doesn't go the way you want, you have to adopt the mob mentality and bully the artists or the creators...to MAKE THEM PAY....
They are not your servants, people....
THIS IS ALSO PROBLEMATIC
The wrongdoing is not only from the crew side but from the audience (or a part of it) side too....Some of them are damn too controlling...
Again I'm not saying the series is perfect...

A witch hunt...Cyberbullying is not ok -sigh-

* Facepalming * Knowing twitter stans, the criticism must have been mature, well-balanced....Gosh...I didn't like the two last episodes but I like the previous episodes...I just hope he won't have death threats....

I'm wondering the same thing lol If the last 3 episodes were filmed before the previous ones....that would explain the awkwardness now lol The hair ! That's it ! A motivation to watch again the series lol

They don't even look like friends....more like colleagues at work....

Same for me, but I've been kind : 6/10. :(

Frankly speaking, in this episode, they don't look like friends, they don't look like lovers. In fact, I'm wondering what really they look like...

I'm not a fan of this couple though...Man basically asking Type to be his boyfriend in front of everyone...Let's hope Type's working place is comprehensive and quite accepting...Man is selfish. He doesn't deserve Type.
In fact, I was really mad at him when he speaks so "freely" in front of Type's colleagues...
Unless I've fastforwarded too much the episode and I've missed something lol

Yes, perhaps it is because of that. Because I do think there was some kind of chemistry at the beginning.
So I don't know why it is like that now -sigh- unless this was filmed before all the previous episodes...

Since ep.11, it seems to me the series has completely changed...and the flaws are becoming more visible and damage the whole feeling of 2gether.

I really like the series up until ep. 10 (more or less). But now, it feels really flat. Such a shame. I think they should have ended the series when Tine agreed to be Sarawat's boyfriend.

One day, I hope we'll have a series more polished from the beginning to the end ?

I think it is more complex than that. Toxic relationships are not as rare as we think. series/dramas/movies at the same time reflect our societies and maintain this particular mindset. I don't think it is specific to BL though. So, in a way, since it is quite widespread, IT IS DEPICTED as NORMAL, even if it is not. But it is a good thing that nowadays we are more and more aware of it, I guess ?

Stereotypes should be criticized. Consent is always a valid debate. However, there is also another taboo. And I think in a way those "problematic" BL display the taboo (even if I don't like how they display it). Sexual assault and violence can be higher in this "community" than in the heterosexual counterpart. Monsters in this "community" exist. But the victims of those monsters also (and most likely victims of their intimate partners). So in a way, those "BL" series "reflect" this dark side.

In fact, I like both I think ? I'm not sure if I like one more than the other. Or I'm not aware of it ? But generally speaking I like looking for the context of a series or a movie (if I've got time lol) : the director's motivation, the actors' points of view, locations etc. It gives another dimension to what you're watching or reading etc.

Unfortunately, it is quite common. Sexism is so widespread (even internalized). That's why those kind of attacks against "female" authors always bother me because you can always "feel" the misogynistic aspect behind. They are not even aware of it.

I'm sorry if I was too harsh. Well, I understand in a way where you're coming from. It's like someone else is always talking in your place. Basically, you are mute. But you can still decide to not be mute anymore and create those works with better representations. For instance, if Thai LGBT people are waiting for better representations in artistic creation mainly made by "straight" people, they will wait a long time...

But I'm still not convinced about that first affirmation you've made about how BL is written and made for straight women. I'm not totally convinced that people interested in BL are exactly "straight". That's my opinion.

I think you are also right about the religious explanation. I've looked into it. It is because the head is where the soul is. So it is improper to touch the head, since it is considered sacred (unless you're someone close).
Also, apparently to hold hands in Thailand is considered indecent in public ? Well that's what they said in some traveler's tips.

But how do you know that that this female audience is predominantly straight ?

And I'm just saying the motivation seems to me more complex (the "turn on" argument is not enough)....If it was the case, you wouldn't have some shows like The Untamed being so popular...