That moment when Wei Wuxian and Lan Zhan from The Untamed look more like a couple than Sarawat and Tine...
It is based on another novel though (and to be frank, the novel it is based upon is on another level). I couldn't get into the Untamed, because when you've read the novel....the novel is really great (except the extra chapters) for the plot, the universe, the ambiance, the characters. Heaven's blessing is very nice too. You have some fantastic BL/ML novels (more so than the BL series and dramas), more various and complex too.
Same here. Where is Mr. Chic from the earlier episodes? The confident guy who does cheerleading to get some girls?…
They should have made some kind of transition scenes to explain more Tine's inner struggle, I think ? In the beginning of the show, you have Tine's voice. It would have been interesting to put it again in this episode, to understand what is going on with him lol
People are calling this comment misogynistic.. now I could be wrong but I don't think they meant this in a misogynistic…
"The truth is that a lot of BL is written by and for straight women". But I really wonder. Is it really the case ? Do we really know the public who enjoys or writes BL series ? And you say yourself you're lesbian and you're watching a BL series, I guess (since you post a comment here). You don't seem to fit in the affirmation you've written. I also think you don't watch 2gether because it "turns you on" ?
Apparently, in Thailand, patting the head seems to be a very intimate gesture (the top of the head is considered…
Perhaps ? That's why I'd also like a Thai point of view on the show. I feel like they are some cultural aspects we miss (or don't understand ?) when we are not from the same country. It is frustrating lol
I don't think that's the source of people's complaint. It's just the lack of good chemistry. Nothing to do with…
Yes, it seems "off" in this episode (but the stares are still there though). While in ep 10 you have Sarawat pushing Tine on the bed and the hug they have before feels definitely different, compared to the interaction they have in this episode. This show is so confusing lol
Since I'm not the only one who is disappointed in this series A RANT: I hate the alpha male behavior from Sarawat…
Apparently, in Thailand, patting the head seems to be a very intimate gesture (the top of the head is considered as sacred). It is seen as highly improper if a stranger does that. That's why when Mil tried to do it to Tine, Tine was shocked. Every culture has their own code of intimacy ?
2gether being a PG13 series isn't an acceptable excuse. Holding hands, hugging or cuddling your lover isn't PG18…
Yes, why don't they "hold hand, hug, cuddle" ? PG13 is not an excuse but the sponsors (and a more "public-friendly" channel) might have a different idea...the general public also....
And I'm convinced the harassment Bright has endured is more or less (indirectly) linked with his support for legalization of same-sex marriage in Thailand (but perhaps I'm seeing a scheme). Some people are not ready yet (and perhaps will never be).
The fact that "in a tale of thousand stars", they have changed the gay soldier in a gay forest ranger should tell you that (self)censorship exists....
It is more easy to treat an intimate touch (touch the breast) as a joke than display it in a more serious and sincere way. True depictions of same-sex love is more "thought-provoking" (with tenderness, care, etc.). And I think we'll take into account that 2gether has tried to do that : display sincere feelings. It is not perfect. It is not as revolutionary as we want it to be...but they have tried, for a broader audience (yes, we're not in a niche market for this show). Or perhaps we'll see all of that in the last episode ? Unless it ends badly ? Whatever. Only time will tell, I guess. But for sure, the series is certainly not perfect.
I don't think that's the source of people's complaint. It's just the lack of good chemistry. Nothing to do with…
The first episodes were really good. Sometimes I wonder if the first episodes were filmed later (after episode 11, for instance ?). Perhaps that would explain the odd development of their chemistry. They seem more at ease in some scenes and more "cold" in others ? That's why I'm intrigued with this show lol. To me, their chemistry fits more with a "push and pull" interaction that's why the beginning of the show works so well. I'm not a fan of TharnType (the plot is -huh- really illogical), but indeed, the chemistry of the main couple is of a very different kind, more confident.
That's an interesting take on their chemistry (I agree that 'weird' is a better descriptor that 'non-existent'…
Thank you :) But in a way I agree with some of the comments. This kind of chemistry does not seem to fit the current status of the relationship displayed in the show. Unless they have done it to prepare a future break up scene. But the break up needs to be better inserted. Indeed, it seems too confusing.
Same here. Where is Mr. Chic from the earlier episodes? The confident guy who does cheerleading to get some girls?…
It is getting worse because in a relationship, you are more "vulnerable". You "expose" yourself more towards the person you love ? There is a risk, the risk of commitment. Tine was never serious with his previous girl crushes. It is his first serious relationship and he was already someone with very low-self esteem. But I agree that they could have added some scenes which explained it better.
I don't think that's the source of people's complaint. It's just the lack of good chemistry. Nothing to do with…
I don't know...I think people has their own idea of what is a good chemistry based on their own experience. But not everyone is like them. Does an asexual couple act the same as a "sexual" couple for instance ? No. But I more or less agree that the chemistry they have is not at a stage of an established couple ? perhaps ? But still, you have Tine who is very insecure. It is also his first relationship with a guy ? The only thing I find incoherent is how easily he's agreed to move in with Sarawat....but since he's someone who can hardly says no, he doesn't want to disappoint him, perhaps ? However, the pace and the editing need to be more polished for sure.
Same here. Where is Mr. Chic from the earlier episodes? The confident guy who does cheerleading to get some girls?…
But Tine was never that confident to begin with. He has a very low self-esteem. I don't think it is that incoherent in terms of character development. However, the show has flaws for sure. I found some times ago an interesting tumblr post analyzing Tine's character: https://nerjaveika.tumblr.com/post/614737192604123136/tines-character-analysis She has summarized it like that : - "1. ‘I’M NOT WORTH YOUR TIME’ - 2. PLACES OTHERS ABOVE HIMSELF - 3. HE CAN’T SAY “NO”. - 4. HIS CONFIDENCE IS ‘ALL TALK - NO ACTION’ (the "Chic" persona) - 5. NONE OF HIS PREVIOUS CRUSHES HAD ANY MAJOR FEELINGS FOR HIM - 6. Deep down TINE BELIEVES WAT’S BETTER THAN HIM"
Perhaps the solution is to change your mindset since it is a PG-13, and "public-friendly" show, etc. So, of course it is a "gay" show but "not too much gay" (huh, let's not scare the BL novices and the general public - I'm sarcastic there-). Depictions of love between same-sex people is still not seen as socially acceptable as having a girlfriend....
If you think like that, then, you won't expect anything and enjoy what you have. I'm not saying criticism is not ok but the complaints here are getting a little pointless....
However, I still don't understand where the "bromance", "2friends" chemistry comes from...I don't see it...Friends are more comfortable...huh
That's why I've called it the "restrained" chemistry....Not friends, not "bros", not "lovers"....an in-between feeling ? That's why I think this show is interesting, for the "weird" chemistry (I disagree with the "lack" of chemistry part, no there is something...open your eyes)
PS : Also, can we stop assuming that the chemistry between them is like between two "straight" guys ? Only them know. Not us. Especially when Bright has said in an interview he doesn't know if he's straight (why do people still label him as straight when even him doesn't know....?????)
From what I gather, you seem to have a lot of insecurities and a lot of hate and violence inside of you. But, you are a beautiful person too. I am sure of that. I hope in real life, you are doing ok. I can tell you something : there is always love, kindness, generosity, right there. You just have to find it and embrace it.
A valid argument doesn't need personal attack. Show your confidence. Show your beautiful self. Show your strength. You don't need to belittle others to feel secure. Because you are better than that. Trust yourself. Believe in yourself.
"I think I can handle your comments very well." but : "Please go elsewhere and spill your "wisdom". but : "You are obviously one of these smart guys "on duty" who likes to stick their noses everywhere and defend "the weak"
"We are not children and I will not behave so immaturely." but : "There are smart children for sure, but there are also dumb adults. Think about it."
You contradict yourself, don't you ?
Your comment doesn't sound really sincere with the "stay healthy and safe". But I will accept it nonetheless.
Well "How old are you and in what delusion do you live?! " You can easily state your case without saying that. I don't see what's so shocking about the comment Thomas Jacob Blodgett has made.... there was no "personal" attack there (like saying you have the mental age of a little kid, which is disgraceful for kids as the same time, because they can be quite smart...) So... Condescending.
And you say yourself you're lesbian and you're watching a BL series, I guess (since you post a comment here). You don't seem to fit in the affirmation you've written. I also think you don't watch 2gether because it "turns you on" ?
This show is so confusing lol
And I'm convinced the harassment Bright has endured is more or less (indirectly) linked with his support for legalization of same-sex marriage in Thailand (but perhaps I'm seeing a scheme). Some people are not ready yet (and perhaps will never be).
The fact that "in a tale of thousand stars", they have changed the gay soldier in a gay forest ranger should tell you that (self)censorship exists....
It is more easy to treat an intimate touch (touch the breast) as a joke than display it in a more serious and sincere way. True depictions of same-sex love is more "thought-provoking" (with tenderness, care, etc.).
And I think we'll take into account that 2gether has tried to do that : display sincere feelings. It is not perfect. It is not as revolutionary as we want it to be...but they have tried, for a broader audience (yes, we're not in a niche market for this show).
Or perhaps we'll see all of that in the last episode ? Unless it ends badly ?
Whatever.
Only time will tell, I guess.
But for sure, the series is certainly not perfect.
To me, their chemistry fits more with a "push and pull" interaction that's why the beginning of the show works so well.
I'm not a fan of TharnType (the plot is -huh- really illogical), but indeed, the chemistry of the main couple is of a very different kind, more confident.
But in a way I agree with some of the comments. This kind of chemistry does not seem to fit the current status of the relationship displayed in the show. Unless they have done it to prepare a future break up scene. But the break up needs to be better inserted. Indeed, it seems too confusing.
However, the pace and the editing need to be more polished for sure.
I found some times ago an interesting tumblr post analyzing Tine's character: https://nerjaveika.tumblr.com/post/614737192604123136/tines-character-analysis
She has summarized it like that :
- "1. ‘I’M NOT WORTH YOUR TIME’
- 2. PLACES OTHERS ABOVE HIMSELF
- 3. HE CAN’T SAY “NO”.
- 4. HIS CONFIDENCE IS ‘ALL TALK - NO ACTION’ (the "Chic" persona)
- 5. NONE OF HIS PREVIOUS CRUSHES HAD ANY MAJOR FEELINGS FOR HIM
- 6. Deep down TINE BELIEVES WAT’S BETTER THAN HIM"
So, of course it is a "gay" show but "not too much gay" (huh, let's not scare the BL novices and the general public - I'm sarcastic there-). Depictions of love between same-sex people is still not seen as socially acceptable as having a girlfriend....
If you think like that, then, you won't expect anything and enjoy what you have. I'm not saying criticism is not ok but the complaints here are getting a little pointless....
However, I still don't understand where the "bromance", "2friends" chemistry comes from...I don't see it...Friends are more comfortable...huh
That's why I've called it the "restrained" chemistry....Not friends, not "bros", not "lovers"....an in-between feeling ? That's why I think this show is interesting, for the "weird" chemistry (I disagree with the "lack" of chemistry part, no there is something...open your eyes)
PS : Also, can we stop assuming that the chemistry between them is like between two "straight" guys ? Only them know. Not us. Especially when Bright has said in an interview he doesn't know if he's straight (why do people still label him as straight when even him doesn't know....?????)
From what I gather, you seem to have a lot of insecurities and a lot of hate and violence inside of you. But, you are a beautiful person too. I am sure of that. I hope in real life, you are doing ok. I can tell you something : there is always love, kindness, generosity, right there. You just have to find it and embrace it.
A valid argument doesn't need personal attack.
Show your confidence. Show your beautiful self. Show your strength. You don't need to belittle others to feel secure.
Because you are better than that. Trust yourself. Believe in yourself.
Take care.
but : "Please go elsewhere and spill your "wisdom".
but : "You are obviously one of these smart guys "on duty" who likes to stick their noses everywhere and defend "the weak"
"We are not children and I will not behave so immaturely."
but : "There are smart children for sure, but there are also dumb adults. Think about it."
You contradict yourself, don't you ?
Your comment doesn't sound really sincere with the "stay healthy and safe". But I will accept it nonetheless.
You can easily state your case without saying that. I don't see what's so shocking about the comment Thomas Jacob Blodgett has made.... there was no "personal" attack there (like saying you have the mental age of a little kid, which is disgraceful for kids as the same time, because they can be quite smart...)
So...
Condescending.