Neutrino7

Super unpopular opinion here but I think she is spot on about plot problems. I had high hopes for this drama and I'm still watching because I love the actors but the writing sucks. Things fall apart the moment I apply logic and at times I get surprised by the positive feedback on this page.

You are absolutely correct. The (predominantly female) viewers sure excuse FL for her shitty actions and hold ML responsible for everything.
They will take her side even if she abuses and rapes ML. Just look at the comment section and see how many blamed MY but cheered her. I bet that they will not cheer for TTJ if he ever turns evil. Also note how female fans love it when ML gets hurt, and how much they enjoy seeing beaten, tortured ML. The people would riot if you reverse genders and if male fans called beaten women sexy.

The template is largely the same for these dramas. Once ML falls in love with FL, he loses all his individuality and becomes obsessed with her. His goals, his problems, his pov don't matter. She is always in the right no matter what she does. The ML has to act like a doormat and take all the abuse and then grovel at FL's feet for perceived slights. By the time the drama ends he becomes nothing but a caricature of his former self whose entire existence revolves around FL while she becomes the ultimate girlboss. Its hard to watch really.

Maybe its just me but as a woman I can never find catharsis in seeing an innocent person get hurt regardless of the gender of the victim. It's sadistic and I'd side eye anyone who enjoys that. It kinda scares me how easily people justify abuse and mistreatment because they have a problem with the identity of victim.

That's a good point. Wish they had made it clear because it's so tragic.

Human nature is complex and complicated and stories that depict that without censure are always superior to your run-of-mill feel good ones. Here ML ignored and discarded FL's love forever and when he finally fell in love with her she had become dejected and moved on. It has such a sense of poetic justice if you think about it. And it doesn't even make him evil you know, just very flawed. Pity that it was too much for the drama.

So does she still care for him? I had the impression that she doesn't anymore.

Ya guess its just drama logic to cause maximum pain, just like miscommunication trope. Never-mind if it makes sense or not lol.

But then why break the crystal? It could have been the last resort if she couldn't find a way right?

Yeah like i said elsewhere it seems like drama adaptations missed some beats. I totally understood FL's actions in novel but drama went with miscommunication trope so it kinda missed the nuance.

Honestly it depends on the stakes. I'd take their help if its something very important/life-saving and then later would get even with them.

But why wouldn't she want to resurrect her people? Like yes, she's undergone a lot of trauma but she had the chance to right some of the wrongs. Anyone would take the chance if they could bring back their loved ones wouldn't they? And like i said she could have killed SFL later.

Her descent made more sense in the novel imo. Wish they had kept some of that to show why love wasn't enough etc. Although people would have hated MY more but at least he would have deserved the said hate.

Do read my other comment. Novel MY kinda deserved what happened to him but drama MY didn't. This is why I hate it when the dramas adapt novels without keeping the nuance of the storylines.

In the novel MY was genuinely an asshole and there wasn't much affection between them before he got injured. She loved him for years and he didn't care for her and everyone else bullied her so it made sense that she finally went crazy when her clan was destroyed. But in drama MY isn't an asshole, he is genuinely clueless and as much as a victim of SFL's schemes as FL was. Really wish the writing was better because I'm not appreciating the changes made by the drama here.

Why didn't dream FL agree to dream ML's proposition? She could have had her clan members resurrected and later could have taken revenge on SFL in secret. Could have tortured her and made her pay for her evil deeds. Guess she really went crazy because there is no logical reason for her to break the crystal bowl.

Yes dream SFL was evil and selfish and she did nothing in good faith. But the fact remains that without her saving ML the whole story wouldn't exist at all. I haven't watched the latest episodes but was dream ML integral in defeating Devil Lord? If he was then imagine what would have happened if SFL hadn't saved him in the first place? Yes, her intent was malicious but her actions still benefited both the leads and the world. That was my whole point. Its like Golem in Lord Of The Rings. Actions always matter more than intent. A good deed done for bad reasons is better than a bad deed done for good reasons you know? (I'm calling saving dream ML good because it was net positive for humanity, assuming he helped in defeating devil lord, hope you got my logic.)

I have a tendency to analyze characters and I can't stand plot holes so I've paused watching the drama for the time being. I'm dreading FL's betrayal arc so I'd rather wait to see how the drama handles it.

Demon Lord kills her family members in future. She's in the past now, her family members are not dead yet. The entire point is to go back in time to alter the future. Right now, ML has not committed any crimes so it is wrong to hold him accountable for the things he might do in future.

Empathy is a learned trait. Little children are essentially sociopaths who develop empathy later in life. When society treats a child like dirt, when it hurts and abuses the child beyond belief then yes, the society is partially responsible for unwanted outcomes. Nothing happens in isolation. You are influenced and molded by the outside world, free will is nothing but an illusion. Your brain literally takes outside stimulus to develop your personalty which is why formative years are very important. The world creates monsters, look at serial killer childhoods. Look how cycles of abuse continues.

You sound utterly privileged in your comment. Uncontrolled anger? Emotional intelligence? You refuse to acknowledge ML's current reality or to put yourself in his shoes. You keep on condemning him for future actions, saying he will have victims in future. But newsflash, you don't punish or judge people for their potential, you judge them for who they are today. So far he's completely justified in everything he's done. He's not violent. Its not violent to defend yourself from abuse or death. And there is no nobility in endless sufferings. Abused, downtrodden people have always fought back and that has made human society better in the long term.

You are calling me emotional? Dude you left a comment on my other post and then stalked me to reply to this, unrelated comment. I ignored your other comment so you had to come here to put me in my place? Was that it? Did I offend you by having my own opinions about a fictional character? Were you angry that I had a different take on the drama and that take didn't align with yours? Is that why you left such a condescending comment? Perhaps you should self reflect.

I think the world, the society, and the people are ultimately responsible for the rise of demon lord. Yes, TTJ was born with an evil bone but remember, he needed to undergo great sufferings to reach his potential. The evil inside him needed all the pain and misery and hatred to flourish. When people were cruel to him, when people ignored his pain, when people enjoyed hurting him --they were merely nurturing the evil inside him. Imagine what would have happened if the society didn't fail him so utterly? Would he even turn evil If he wasn't hurt or damaged or betrayed repeatedly? I wonder.

What exactly has he done that is unjustifiable? What has he done which is not okay? When exactly has he hurt others without reason? Take out the whole born evil narrative and how is he worse than countless other protagonists in other cdramas? Even "good" guys in other dramas kill bad people. As a prince he is actually completely justified in punishing traitors. I mean, even his so called scheming is nothing but an attempt to survive.

The drama (and FL) frame his actions as creepy and violent which is why some audience think the same. But there is no empirical evidence to support this claim. It's like DFQC being framed as evil in LBFAD but at least DFQC did some bad things when he didn't have emotions whereas TTJ has yet to do anything unquestionably evil. He's so far completely justified in his actions and is far more benevolent than his brother or the king of the rival kingdom. If he becomes an abuser, if he becomes evil then call him out but don't act like he's evil just because he's born with a curse.