This was based on a novel? Anyway, they were 100% trying to make this series untoxic and wanted to expose the…
Nubsib has never been a uwu baby boi "untoxic" male lead lol a big chunk of the season was about how he lied and manipulated his way into Gene's heart and home, he doesn't care about anyone except Gene, and he's downright rude to them as well.
Nubsib also cares a lot about consent and loves and respect Gene. He has bad traits and good traits. It's called having nuance and characterization. Characters are rarely just "toxic" and "untoxic" unless we're talking about cut-and-dry stuff like Type from TharnType being a violent homophobe.
And if the nicest thing someone can say about a character is "Oh, they're not toxic!" then that character is most likely extremely boring. No one wants to watch a bunch of perfect nice people who never do anything wrong.
Honestly, I was really anticipating the scene where Nubsib beat someone up. I was constantly waiting for them…
Nubsib really felt neutered by the script because the writers wanted to keep things light and fluffy, so I was disappointed that what I thought would be his big tower moment (beating someone up) was cut. It would have added the stakes and emotional gravitas that the finale needed and finally delivered on the hints we've seen about Nubsib's true character.
Like the scene where Nubsib threatened Aey and crushed him in his arms was fantastic and I needed more, but amped up to a 12.
Well said. There are 8-20-mins-episode low budget series (especially pinoy) where characters have more depth,…
"I found the allusion to UWMA disgusting (another example that irony doesn't work most of the time)."
They were imitating Romeo and Juliet (1996) based on a famous play that existed loooooong before UWMA lmao. Kao is literally wearing Leonardo DiCaprio's shirt. UWMA did not invent or copyright double suicide and every suicide scene (whether it's a joke or serious) Kao does post-UWMA, is not automatically a UWMA reference.
I'm a mainstay in this comment section and I've praised the show for weeks but even I have to say the finale was…
Just a FEW of the questions they left hanging: - Did Nubsib and Gene talk during the 4 months? If not, why not? Did Nubsib stay in the condo next door even while they were broken up? Did he not even once check on Gene? I find that hard to believe because I bump into my apartment neighbours even when I don't want to see them. - Did Tum and Tiffy form their own management company? - Did Nubsib sign with Tum and Tiffy? Why, when he said he doesn't care about acting? - What happened to Mhok? - Did Tiffy seriously totally give up on Aey because of what he did? I get being disappointed in him but she has no personal relationship with Nubsib or Gene. Even when friends are wrong, most people would side with them over professional strangers.
Some highlights so this isn't just me complaining: - Fairytale reenactments were very cute and creative. - Nubsib crushing Aey in his arms was scary and showed off Kao's acting skills. I wanted more of THAT in this finale. - Gene coming full circle and not being embarrassed of being a BL author was nice to see. - Gene apparently riding Nubsib ragged to make up for their time apart. RIP Nubsib but he doesn't seem to mind. - I liked the parallel of Nubsib showing up at "their spot" when last time he did, Gene didn't show up. - Nubsib kissing Gene's hands and putting them on his face was sweet.
I'm a mainstay in this comment section and I've praised the show for weeks but even I have to say the finale was really lacking and disappointing.
There were way too many hanging questions, no explanation of what happened in the 4 month time skip, and basically no one got a satisfying resolution. And when I say satisfying resolution I don't mean a happy ending—because I don't think Aey needed to end up happy for his storyline to be "resolved" well—what I mean is: they had 1 hour and 24 minutes and STILL every single storyline feels half baked. It's a real shame, because the show as a whole is a gem. But they really needed an editor and a better script writer for the last 3 episodes. If episodes 10-12 were more tightly plotted, they would have had lots of time to resolve all the storylines they introduced. The episodes were all mini movies, and if you can't resolve simple romcom storylines in 3+ hours, it's not the storylines. It's the writing of them.
Out of the actors Aoey is not filthy rich. His family probably is, but he is being disowned and it was more or…
Aey doesn’t need to be worse than Sib or 2D to be villainous. And if you don’t think forcefully kissing someone while going on about “being good in bed” isn’t an attempted assault because “Sib is just as bad and the fans like him!!!” I can’t help you. Aey can be acknowledged as complicated without totally whitewashing him and playing dumb about his actions and motivations.
Out of the actors Aoey is not filthy rich. His family probably is, but he is being disowned and it was more or…
"(even though I'm at a loss to think of a single villainous thing he's done)"
Did everyone collectively forget Aey inviting Gene to a bar and trying to forcefully proposition him even when Gene said NO and pushed him off? And how he lied to Gene and told him he'd drugged Sib? AND how he did a complete bullsh*t Instagram live throwing Gene and Nubsib under the bus by fabricating a story about how he was in love with Nubsib and Gene had stolen him?
I know people like Bruce because he's an amazing actor, which is why Aey gets more leeway than he deserves, but come on.
14 hours until D-Day (even though I know we're getting a special episode)!
I can't wait to finally see Sib knock some heads. Throughout the entire show you get the vibe that he's been suppressing and hiding his darker personality traits to stay gentle and handsome for Gene, but now that he's lost Gene it's anything goes.
Lovely Writer is produced by DeeHup and aired on CH3 and WeTV. It's not affiliated with GMMTV in the slightest.
Whether a show utilizes fanservice or not has nothing to do with the online platform it airs on. For example, 1000 Stars was on LINETV in Thailand and so was TharnType but they were both marketed according to the people that produced them. LINETV did not control the actors or the productions.
And DeeHup didn't produce TharnType because it didn't even exist when it came out. Tee was just the director of the series.
What I don't get is why Gene is always dragged into everything. He signed over the rights of his work to the studio…
I don't know if people are being purposefully obtuse but I think it was clear that it wasn't about "obligation" but rather "responsibility" and the fact that Gene cares about others and Nubsib.
Gene is worried about: - Nubsib's career. - Nubsib being hated. - Nubsib losing all his income at 20 and being forced to ask his parents for money. - The jobs of other people who worked on Bad Engineer. - The jobs of people at the publishing house.
It was Nubsib's responsibility to be more private with Gene to protect himself, and to worry about the careers and well being of all of his co-workers on the series, the crew, investors, the TV station etc. Because of his negligence, the show's ratings are suffering and the publishing house is losing sales. Nubsib doesn't care about these responsibilities because he only cares about Gene and he's selfish and in love.
Gene choosing to break up with Nubsib isn't about not being able to stand up for himself or being legally obligated to break up with Nubsib. Neither of them are legally obligated, which Nubsib points out multiple times. But Gene is a kind, mature, and responsible person. He's not going to throw himself into Nubsib's arms and say, "You and me against the world, baby! F*ck everyone else!" when it would ruin Nubsib's career and leave him broke, as well as ruining his own series adaptation and costing people jobs.
You understand where both Gene and Nubsib are coming from.
Gene is thinking of all the people who are employed because of the show and how Nubsib selfishly quitting to make him and Gene happy will affect them. He's also thinking about how Nubsib's entire acting career could be ruined because of him.
Meanwhile, Nubsib is more naive and only cares about Gene. He is selfish for not caring about any of the other people involved, but he's also right that if they give the company an inch with their personal lives, they'll just keep demanding more and more.
The show did a really good job of portraying what loads of BL actors have probably gone through, and they weren't even lucky enough to be as rich as Sib.
Another thing I think the show did really well was start off with fluffy moments and slowly have the negativity from the outside drip into their bubble. It wasn't an explosion but a slow realization.
On the other plot lines: - I'm over Tiffy. I did not like her calling and berating Tum like she was his girlfriend over something that Nubsib "did". I think Tum deserves much better and I didn't like that he went to her to cry at the end.
- Gene and his father's scene made me tear up. It was really heartbreaking.
- Aey doesn't deserve a happy ending at this point. All I can hope for is that he comes forward and admits that the live was a lie or he helps Nubsib and Gene get back together for some minor redemption.
Those are false equivalencies and you know it. Are there hate crimes against British people because of the stereotype…
Discrimination is real but you don't care because you think cultural jokes are funny. I got it, and that's all well and good. But don't try to pretend it's not racist or "problematic" to make yourself feel better. That's what this whole comment section basically is.
Those are false equivalencies and you know it. Are there hate crimes against British people because of the stereotype…
All I had to do was google "Sikh hate crime" and just over the last 48 hours a Sikh man was attacked with a hammer. There's also the FedEx mass shooting in April that left four Sikh people dead. These aren't isolated incidents either they're just two random ones that happened over the last 2 months.
I also personally know many Sikh's that had to immigrate out of the United States after 9/11 because people were so ignorant and racist they were associating Muslims (and terrorism) with all brown people and committing hate crimes against Sikh people for that reason.
You honestly just seem incredibly young because I can't believe an adult would be so ignorant. BRITAIN COLONIZED INDIA and this is a well known fact for anyone who went to school and did basic history 101.
They committed countless atrocities against Indians so yeah, Indians are going to clown on them. They were oppressors and colonizers.
This comment section genuinely makes me sad. If you dont think the scene was offensive thats fine, whatever. But…
Don't be sad, because I think the "hurdur you're all snowflakes racism is funny get over it" stuff in the comments just makes the fandom for FUTS look bad and shows that the series is appealing to the lowest common denominator.
I don't really know what to say.The for some problematic scene for me was not problematic, because such humor…
Those are false equivalencies and you know it.
Are there hate crimes against British people because of the stereotype that they like tea? Are there hate crimes against Russians because of the stereotype that they like vodka? Are British and Russian people systemically oppressed? No, because they're white. Let's be real here.
If you like stereotypes and making fun of already marginalized races—then fine. You're not alone, this comment section is full of people who love a good Sikh joke, and love to make fun of Indians. But don't pretend that it's anything comparable to stereotypes about white European countries.
Still unclear:1. Hin is introduced as Gene's assistantWhat is Mork's relationship with Aoey's sister and the rest…
1. What's unclear about Hin being Gene's assistant? He's been working that job since the first episode—forwarding news from Bua, telling him where and when he needs to be places, and looking at his work. 2. Gene and Nubsib are rich kids. It's normal and a privilege that they got sent away for school. You even see this amongst rich BL actors, most do a stint abroad. 3. Gene is 25 going on 26, and Nubsib is 20 going on 21. Gene is not currently 26. Since Gene left at 14 for high school it's been 11 years since he saw Sib. 4. Again, Nubsib and Gene are rich. Nubsib is even richer than Gene with traditional parents and a company to inherit. He was also sent abroad with his brother and lived with him until Neung graduated and came back to Thailand. He wasn't sent abroad alone. 5. In the book it's explained that Gene became distant from his family when he moved away for school and purposefully avoided going home. If he wasn't seeing his parents often, then he wasn't meeting Auntie Orn either. 6. If you listen closely: as a child, Nubsib is never called Nubsib, he's only ever called Sib. In Thailand nicknames are changed frequently and even though that wasn't the case here, it's also normal for Thai people to not know their friends's legal names. As a kid aged 12-14 it's unlikely that Gene would ever wonder if Sib was Nubsib's legal nickname.
You need to take a chill pill. This is a fluffy, over the top comedy with a lot of slapsticks humor. The Sikh…
This comment is pretty funny considering people in real life are killed in part because of racist stereotypes in the media and online.
Police brutality in the US because black people are perceived as older than they are, less intelligent, and inherently poor and involved in crime? Racist opinions that are cemented in people’s minds with racist and one tone portrayals in the media? Oh, but “it’s just entertainment”.
Nubsib also cares a lot about consent and loves and respect Gene. He has bad traits and good traits. It's called having nuance and characterization. Characters are rarely just "toxic" and "untoxic" unless we're talking about cut-and-dry stuff like Type from TharnType being a violent homophobe.
And if the nicest thing someone can say about a character is "Oh, they're not toxic!" then that character is most likely extremely boring. No one wants to watch a bunch of perfect nice people who never do anything wrong.
Like the scene where Nubsib threatened Aey and crushed him in his arms was fantastic and I needed more, but amped up to a 12.
They were imitating Romeo and Juliet (1996) based on a famous play that existed loooooong before UWMA lmao. Kao is literally wearing Leonardo DiCaprio's shirt. UWMA did not invent or copyright double suicide and every suicide scene (whether it's a joke or serious) Kao does post-UWMA, is not automatically a UWMA reference.
- Did Nubsib and Gene talk during the 4 months? If not, why not? Did Nubsib stay in the condo next door even while they were broken up? Did he not even once check on Gene? I find that hard to believe because I bump into my apartment neighbours even when I don't want to see them.
- Did Tum and Tiffy form their own management company?
- Did Nubsib sign with Tum and Tiffy? Why, when he said he doesn't care about acting?
- What happened to Mhok?
- Did Tiffy seriously totally give up on Aey because of what he did? I get being disappointed in him but she has no personal relationship with Nubsib or Gene. Even when friends are wrong, most people would side with them over professional strangers.
Some highlights so this isn't just me complaining:
- Fairytale reenactments were very cute and creative.
- Nubsib crushing Aey in his arms was scary and showed off Kao's acting skills. I wanted more of THAT in this finale.
- Gene coming full circle and not being embarrassed of being a BL author was nice to see.
- Gene apparently riding Nubsib ragged to make up for their time apart. RIP Nubsib but he doesn't seem to mind.
- I liked the parallel of Nubsib showing up at "their spot" when last time he did, Gene didn't show up.
- Nubsib kissing Gene's hands and putting them on his face was sweet.
There were way too many hanging questions, no explanation of what happened in the 4 month time skip, and basically no one got a satisfying resolution. And when I say satisfying resolution I don't mean a happy ending—because I don't think Aey needed to end up happy for his storyline to be "resolved" well—what I mean is: they had 1 hour and 24 minutes and STILL every single storyline feels half baked. It's a real shame, because the show as a whole is a gem. But they really needed an editor and a better script writer for the last 3 episodes. If episodes 10-12 were more tightly plotted, they would have had lots of time to resolve all the storylines they introduced. The episodes were all mini movies, and if you can't resolve simple romcom storylines in 3+ hours, it's not the storylines. It's the writing of them.
Did everyone collectively forget Aey inviting Gene to a bar and trying to forcefully proposition him even when Gene said NO and pushed him off? And how he lied to Gene and told him he'd drugged Sib? AND how he did a complete bullsh*t Instagram live throwing Gene and Nubsib under the bus by fabricating a story about how he was in love with Nubsib and Gene had stolen him?
I know people like Bruce because he's an amazing actor, which is why Aey gets more leeway than he deserves, but come on.
I can't wait to finally see Sib knock some heads. Throughout the entire show you get the vibe that he's been suppressing and hiding his darker personality traits to stay gentle and handsome for Gene, but now that he's lost Gene it's anything goes.
And DeeHup didn't produce TharnType because it didn't even exist when it came out. Tee was just the director of the series.
Gene is worried about:
- Nubsib's career.
- Nubsib being hated.
- Nubsib losing all his income at 20 and being forced to ask his parents for money.
- The jobs of other people who worked on Bad Engineer.
- The jobs of people at the publishing house.
It was Nubsib's responsibility to be more private with Gene to protect himself, and to worry about the careers and well being of all of his co-workers on the series, the crew, investors, the TV station etc. Because of his negligence, the show's ratings are suffering and the publishing house is losing sales. Nubsib doesn't care about these responsibilities because he only cares about Gene and he's selfish and in love.
Gene choosing to break up with Nubsib isn't about not being able to stand up for himself or being legally obligated to break up with Nubsib. Neither of them are legally obligated, which Nubsib points out multiple times. But Gene is a kind, mature, and responsible person. He's not going to throw himself into Nubsib's arms and say, "You and me against the world, baby! F*ck everyone else!" when it would ruin Nubsib's career and leave him broke, as well as ruining his own series adaptation and costing people jobs.
Gene is thinking of all the people who are employed because of the show and how Nubsib selfishly quitting to make him and Gene happy will affect them. He's also thinking about how Nubsib's entire acting career could be ruined because of him.
Meanwhile, Nubsib is more naive and only cares about Gene. He is selfish for not caring about any of the other people involved, but he's also right that if they give the company an inch with their personal lives, they'll just keep demanding more and more.
The show did a really good job of portraying what loads of BL actors have probably gone through, and they weren't even lucky enough to be as rich as Sib.
Another thing I think the show did really well was start off with fluffy moments and slowly have the negativity from the outside drip into their bubble. It wasn't an explosion but a slow realization.
On the other plot lines:
- I'm over Tiffy. I did not like her calling and berating Tum like she was his girlfriend over something that Nubsib "did". I think Tum deserves much better and I didn't like that he went to her to cry at the end.
- Gene and his father's scene made me tear up. It was really heartbreaking.
- Aey doesn't deserve a happy ending at this point. All I can hope for is that he comes forward and admits that the live was a lie or he helps Nubsib and Gene get back together for some minor redemption.
I also personally know many Sikh's that had to immigrate out of the United States after 9/11 because people were so ignorant and racist they were associating Muslims (and terrorism) with all brown people and committing hate crimes against Sikh people for that reason.
You honestly just seem incredibly young because I can't believe an adult would be so ignorant. BRITAIN COLONIZED INDIA and this is a well known fact for anyone who went to school and did basic history 101.
They committed countless atrocities against Indians so yeah, Indians are going to clown on them. They were oppressors and colonizers.
Are there hate crimes against British people because of the stereotype that they like tea? Are there hate crimes against Russians because of the stereotype that they like vodka? Are British and Russian people systemically oppressed? No, because they're white. Let's be real here.
If you like stereotypes and making fun of already marginalized races—then fine. You're not alone, this comment section is full of people who love a good Sikh joke, and love to make fun of Indians. But don't pretend that it's anything comparable to stereotypes about white European countries.
2. Gene and Nubsib are rich kids. It's normal and a privilege that they got sent away for school. You even see this amongst rich BL actors, most do a stint abroad.
3. Gene is 25 going on 26, and Nubsib is 20 going on 21. Gene is not currently 26. Since Gene left at 14 for high school it's been 11 years since he saw Sib.
4. Again, Nubsib and Gene are rich. Nubsib is even richer than Gene with traditional parents and a company to inherit. He was also sent abroad with his brother and lived with him until Neung graduated and came back to Thailand. He wasn't sent abroad alone.
5. In the book it's explained that Gene became distant from his family when he moved away for school and purposefully avoided going home. If he wasn't seeing his parents often, then he wasn't meeting Auntie Orn either.
6. If you listen closely: as a child, Nubsib is never called Nubsib, he's only ever called Sib. In Thailand nicknames are changed frequently and even though that wasn't the case here, it's also normal for Thai people to not know their friends's legal names. As a kid aged 12-14 it's unlikely that Gene would ever wonder if Sib was Nubsib's legal nickname.
Police brutality in the US because black people are perceived as older than they are, less intelligent, and inherently poor and involved in crime? Racist opinions that are cemented in people’s minds with racist and one tone portrayals in the media? Oh, but “it’s just entertainment”.
Media doesn’t exist in a vacuum.