Hahaha same xD But I need to know first, if KSH's character has an agreeable or at least satisfying ending in…
Even though he is the second lead he don't have much going on for himself... He likes the FL but his main arc is his relationship with the ML... In this drama he cannot recognise faces and he likes the FL only because he can recognise her face... It's not like he is deeply in love with her or anything... So we won't get any SLS... His character is no where near miserable in anyway... He is a smart and clever guy who uses his skills to uncover the plotting and scheming happening in the drama... He helps the ML and FL a lot... Also the ML and FL are very likable so there is no reason for a SLS... The FL dont lead him on in anyway and right away says a no when he says he likes her... So he got a clear cut answer from her side...
I can't say it was great, but it wasn't that bad either, even if the development of the story was indeed disappointing…
I do agree that fans of popular actors like to bring other popular actors down and that happens the most with hallyu stars but this drama was plain bad and this is coming from someone who liked backstreet rookie and likes JCW... He is literally at the top of the list of fav korean actor as well as the hot list... I rarely give dramas less than 7 rating and gave this one a 5 simply because by ep 7-8 this one game me a headache... There is no particular reason why the ML fell for the FL and the way he moved on from his ex to the FL in just a matter of days was werid af... Like he literally started getting jealous of guys talking to the FL just few days after they woke up... The only likable thing about the ML is that he is played by JCW... There is literally no apparent reason why anyone would fall of the FL... It's like the makers were aiming for her to have the same amount of quirkiness, goofiness and attitude like do bong soon had but failed miserably... Do bong soon was played by park bo young and it's pretty hard to make her annoying.. Whatever she does comes off as cute and likable... I haven't seen won jinah in anything else but she was bad in this drama... She don't have comic timing at all... The comedy was also not that good...
Then the biggest failure after the story will be the chemistry... This drama dethroned K2 and became the worst pairing of JCW... It seemed like neither of them have any interest in creating chemistry... I have seen a lot of people blaming won jinah for not having the chemistry but chemistry is a 2 way street and both needs to participate equally... The only good thing about this drama is the shower kiss but that was hot because JCW was under the shower and getting drenched... I don't get why the makers cast these 2 together because even visually they are not compatible... they looked so awkward in the press meet...
I love the actors but it‘s so slow and boring... it‘s really overhyped (my opinion)
Its true to it's genre.. this belongs to the wise life series created by the makers and its a slice of life drama... It won't be having high end drama or villians or big cliffhangers after each episodes... It's one of the most realistic kdramas out there... It's not overhyped, it's just don't go with your taste...
Like someone who manipulates someone else love for his own personal gain... that's the character u talking about...
Hjp told him to end everything in the first meeting itself with dalmi by saying he has a gf( the simplest way out) but he himself wanted to continue the lie and gave her his number because he wanted to pursue dalmi under fall identity...
he actually started behaving as if he wrote the letters and he has some right over letter and the way he took back his words when hjp arrived to get the letter... Didn't tell the rest of the SST about his deal with Alex in which Alex clearly mentioned about only hiring him... Went to make a deal with Alex behind everyone's back... Uses grandma's illness when it's convenient for him...
After Start-up no male lead wants KSH as second male lead anymore.
After startup ksh dont have to play second lead unless he gets cast along someone like gong yoo or someone with that much acting calibre as well as stardom...
I don't think they changed the Endgame... It's more than obvious that njh was signed in as the male lead and kim…
i didnt even notice there is a love theme for 16 long episodes... if NDS and SDM had the same theme then its obvious why.. . the makers might have wanted to give HJP equal importance as dosan and dalmi without dalmi ending up with him like in boys over flowers... the 2nd lead was almost as important as the main leads even though the FL didnt end up with him... but startup changed that because they no more afford to give hjp more screentime as its backfiring on them.... we will never know what the writer actually wanted but one thing i am sure is at the starting the makers had no plan of making dalmi end up with hjp...
I don't think they changed the Endgame... It's more than obvious that njh was signed in as the male lead and kim…
its kind of obvious that the writer had to change the stroyline halfway through but i think the endgame was always the same... she might have wanted to have a more intense love triangle with dalmi actually giving hjp a chance but still choosing dosan... but due to the immense popularity of hjp, the makers were afraid to give him more screentime to hjp-dalmi and to show dalmi still had something for the dosan from the letters... so they completely wiped out all the possibilities of dalmi showing any kind of interest in hjp and in that process ruined dalmi's charater arc and the drama... but i dont think from the start the writer wanted hjp-dalmi as endgame... at max the writer wanted to change the endgame to hjp after seeing audience reaction but had to stick with the original endgame and also decrease HJP's screentime due to pressure....
I found a list of Korean male actors with the most IG followers. It's not up to date (stand: December 2) and there…
its about the rapid growth in followers... he gained around 2m followers in 2 months which is impressive... i started following jcw after BR and he only had 1m increase in followers since BR...he had 13m followers when i started following him and now he has 14m... all the top star's followers increases in a steady pace and not rapidly... i dont think kim seon ho is the first to gain so many followers so quickly... maybe true for a rising actor but not for a korean actor... kim soo hyun has almost 9m followers and he joined insta last june... thats almost 9m followers in 6 months... but he was already a big hallyu star when he joined instagram so its expected...
i think seo yeji would have had this kind of rapid followers if she had an instagram account during iotnbo...
I don't think they changed the Endgame... It's more than obvious that njh was signed in as the male lead and kim…
unfortunately thats how kdramas work... the one with star power always have the upper hand..
look at how moon ga young has to play second lead to joy in great seducer... even though she is the more experienced actress, joy brings the money because she is from a popular idol group and from a big company... there is gonna be another kdrama where jisoo from blackpink will play the FL whereas kim hye yoon who already proved her acting chops will play the second FL... its pretty obvious that the makers are trying to get international viewers for the drama...
Like someone who manipulates someone else love for his own personal gain... that's the character u talking about...
i clearly said the reason why majority dont root for dosan is because he is a badly written character... also there are more than enough comments on MDL explaning why he is a badly written character and why he dont appeal to the audience... i myself has repeated it numerous times and i am bored of explaining it... since you are the one that needs explanation scroll down the comments and find the answer...
I don't think they changed the Endgame... It's more than obvious that njh was signed in as the male lead and kim…
i think according to the story if hjp was supposed to be the lead then njh would have been cast as hjp... they might have always wanted dosan as the lead and it would have gone smoothly if kim seon ho didnt grab the attention... if hjp was played by a less experienced actor with raw acting skills then hjp might not have gained this kind of popularity... there were dramas where the FL successfully ended up with the male lead even though she had feelings for the second lead at the start like in boys over flowers and strong woman do bong soon...
I don't think they changed the Endgame... It's more than obvious that njh was signed in as the male lead and kim…
according to kdrama logic, the guy who gets the girl is the male lead... its more than necessary for the charatcer dosan as he lags behind hjp in all other aspect... the only way he can be the lead is by getting chosen by dalmi... in k2 we can say song yooah is the female lead( or the most important character after k2) considering the story gave her more importance and her name appears before yoona at the start... anna got to get the little attention just because she was the love interest of the main guy...
kdramas cannot change the leads if the second leads become more popular than the lead..
from the article:“I thought for a moment that perhaps the writer meant to write Ji Pyung as the male lead but…
bitching and gossiping is morally wrong but almost everyone does it and it is part of human nature... there is no need to make a big deal out of it and downgrade an entire fandom... the fancafe didnt make up rumors and spread it on popular sites or made fake articles about it... thats what is called maligning a celebrity which a lot of kpop stans do to rival groups and south korea has strict defamation laws... how will we know if njh and suzy's korean fancafe diss on ksh and other actors or not until someone puts it out for the public to see? i am not on twitter but i have heard njh and ksh fans fight over there... so both of them fight with each other... no need to play the victim... suzy is the female lead and she is not in competition in this one but suzy fans diss on other actresses and viseversa and its a known fact... just put an article about yoona and suzy on allkpop or soompi and you can see it for yourself... dont have to wait for korean fancafes to be translated to english...
also big agencies have the power to control the drama writers and get their way... so if the makers did want to make HJP the lead after seeing the audience reaction they cannot because of the agencies and brand endorsment they get through big actors... in american series they change the leads or makes him/her a parallel lead if one character becomes a fan favorite... misha collins was supposed to be just a supporting actor in supernatural when he was signed in for supernatural but then he became the lead along with jensen and jared after he became fan favorite... klaus was supposed to be a guest star in vampire diaries but ended up being a regular and eventually got a seperate series as a lead... this practice is not possible for kdramas... if startup was an american series then by ep 5-6, hjp would have become the male lead even though he was signed in as the 2nd lead...
I strongly believe those rumours saying that the ending was changed because KSH was getting immense popularity…
i havent watched mama fairy and just checked the profile of both the actors and the male lead dont look like a hallyu star with immense popularity... he just seems to be more known than the second lead... the drama seems to only have moon chae won as a popular face... if dosan was played by lee do hyun and hjp by kim seon ho then there might have been possibilities of hjp being the endgame... or if dosan was played by njh and hjp was played by kang haneul or park seojoon then also hjp-dalmi might have been the endgame from the start...
I strongly believe those rumours saying that the ending was changed because KSH was getting immense popularity…
I don't think the rumours are true... Kdramas have a fixed leads and we all knew njh and Suzy are roped in as the leads... Also if they wanted hjp to be the Endgame they would have cast an actor equally popular as njh... Kim seon ho's popularity was unexpected... The makers switch leads only if both the actors are rookies or if both are equally popular... Neither of that is the case for startup
from the article:“I thought for a moment that perhaps the writer meant to write Ji Pyung as the male lead but…
Also it's a very common practise in Korean entertainment industry that powerful agencies push their actors and have more say on dramas and movies....they were only talking about that... There is a reason why idols and actors want to work with too agencies. These agencies make it easy for the idols and actors to get better projects and give them better status...
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Also the ML and FL are very likable so there is no reason for a SLS... The FL dont lead him on in anyway and right away says a no when he says he likes her... So he got a clear cut answer from her side...
I rarely give dramas less than 7 rating and gave this one a 5 simply because by ep 7-8 this one game me a headache...
There is no particular reason why the ML fell for the FL and the way he moved on from his ex to the FL in just a matter of days was werid af... Like he literally started getting jealous of guys talking to the FL just few days after they woke up... The only likable thing about the ML is that he is played by JCW...
There is literally no apparent reason why anyone would fall of the FL... It's like the makers were aiming for her to have the same amount of quirkiness, goofiness and attitude like do bong soon had but failed miserably... Do bong soon was played by park bo young and it's pretty hard to make her annoying.. Whatever she does comes off as cute and likable... I haven't seen won jinah in anything else but she was bad in this drama... She don't have comic timing at all...
The comedy was also not that good...
Then the biggest failure after the story will be the chemistry... This drama dethroned K2 and became the worst pairing of JCW... It seemed like neither of them have any interest in creating chemistry... I have seen a lot of people blaming won jinah for not having the chemistry but chemistry is a 2 way street and both needs to participate equally... The only good thing about this drama is the shower kiss but that was hot because JCW was under the shower and getting drenched...
I don't get why the makers cast these 2 together because even visually they are not compatible... they looked so awkward in the press meet...
It won't be having high end drama or villians or big cliffhangers after each episodes...
It's one of the most realistic kdramas out there...
It's not overhyped, it's just don't go with your taste...
he actually started behaving as if he wrote the letters and he has some right over letter and the way he took back his words when hjp arrived to get the letter...
Didn't tell the rest of the SST about his deal with Alex in which Alex clearly mentioned about only hiring him...
Went to make a deal with Alex behind everyone's back...
Uses grandma's illness when it's convenient for him...
if NDS and SDM had the same theme then its obvious why.. .
the makers might have wanted to give HJP equal importance as dosan and dalmi without dalmi ending up with him like in boys over flowers... the 2nd lead was almost as important as the main leads even though the FL didnt end up with him... but startup changed that because they no more afford to give hjp more screentime as its backfiring on them....
we will never know what the writer actually wanted but one thing i am sure is at the starting the makers had no plan of making dalmi end up with hjp...
but i dont think from the start the writer wanted hjp-dalmi as endgame... at max the writer wanted to change the endgame to hjp after seeing audience reaction but had to stick with the original endgame and also decrease HJP's screentime due to pressure....
i dont think kim seon ho is the first to gain so many followers so quickly... maybe true for a rising actor but not for a korean actor...
kim soo hyun has almost 9m followers and he joined insta last june... thats almost 9m followers in 6 months... but he was already a big hallyu star when he joined instagram so its expected...
i think seo yeji would have had this kind of rapid followers if she had an instagram account during iotnbo...
look at how moon ga young has to play second lead to joy in great seducer... even though she is the more experienced actress, joy brings the money because she is from a popular idol group and from a big company...
there is gonna be another kdrama where jisoo from blackpink will play the FL whereas kim hye yoon who already proved her acting chops will play the second FL... its pretty obvious that the makers are trying to get international viewers for the drama...
also there are more than enough comments on MDL explaning why he is a badly written character and why he dont appeal to the audience... i myself has repeated it numerous times and i am bored of explaining it...
since you are the one that needs explanation scroll down the comments and find the answer...
there were dramas where the FL successfully ended up with the male lead even though she had feelings for the second lead at the start like in boys over flowers and strong woman do bong soon...
in k2 we can say song yooah is the female lead( or the most important character after k2) considering the story gave her more importance and her name appears before yoona at the start... anna got to get the little attention just because she was the love interest of the main guy...
kdramas cannot change the leads if the second leads become more popular than the lead..
the fancafe didnt make up rumors and spread it on popular sites or made fake articles about it... thats what is called maligning a celebrity which a lot of kpop stans do to rival groups and south korea has strict defamation laws...
how will we know if njh and suzy's korean fancafe diss on ksh and other actors or not until someone puts it out for the public to see? i am not on twitter but i have heard njh and ksh fans fight over there... so both of them fight with each other... no need to play the victim...
suzy is the female lead and she is not in competition in this one but suzy fans diss on other actresses and viseversa and its a known fact... just put an article about yoona and suzy on allkpop or soompi and you can see it for yourself... dont have to wait for korean fancafes to be translated to english...
also big agencies have the power to control the drama writers and get their way... so if the makers did want to make HJP the lead after seeing the audience reaction they cannot because of the agencies and brand endorsment they get through big actors... in american series they change the leads or makes him/her a parallel lead if one character becomes a fan favorite... misha collins was supposed to be just a supporting actor in supernatural when he was signed in for supernatural but then he became the lead along with jensen and jared after he became fan favorite... klaus was supposed to be a guest star in vampire diaries but ended up being a regular and eventually got a seperate series as a lead...
this practice is not possible for kdramas... if startup was an american series then by ep 5-6, hjp would have become the male lead even though he was signed in as the 2nd lead...
if dosan was played by lee do hyun and hjp by kim seon ho then there might have been possibilities of hjp being the endgame... or if dosan was played by njh and hjp was played by kang haneul or park seojoon then also hjp-dalmi might have been the endgame from the start...
The makers switch leads only if both the actors are rookies or if both are equally popular... Neither of that is the case for startup
There is a reason why idols and actors want to work with too agencies. These agencies make it easy for the idols and actors to get better projects and give them better status...