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I like this series only for the Phob-Eak storyline for which I've been anticipating developments on every week. I watched several BL's where someone had a crush on a straight guy, but the straight guy always end's up being open to the possibility of a gay relationship [which is weird]. This is the first time I've seen the straight character reject overtures from a gay one, and I like the realism of this. Eak has no sexual interest in Phob as a partner at this point but is still trying to maintain their friendship. I felt really bad for Phob, and I think this is one of the saddest moments for the happy-go-lucky BL genre. I have a feeling this is not a ground-breaking show and we will see Eak magically develop feelings for Phob, but it will be a good run at realism while it lasts.

I don't mind the step-brother scenario, but it's getting a little overdone this season. In the last several months it's been in History 4, Brothers, Friends Forever, and Fish Upon the Sky (Nan has one, though it isn't depicted in the series). What is the point of it? I'm not against it but it's a little overused at this point. I'm guessing the BL audience likes the possible raciness of semi-incest scenarios. On the positive side, I liked that we added an exciting new storyline with the father suddenly appearing on the scene.

I rather like this rather placid unenterprising show with its really handsome cast [they don't really need to be doing much of anything to make me happy]. It really is kind of fun, though it has way too many side couples.

Thank you for your response. I actually learned something here, because I did miss one scene, the one you were talking about where Teh tells Jai he wants to be his Fang. That was indeed disturbing. I did make a mistake in missing that scene and it changes my impression that this was just a thought crime [sloppy on my part, but I'm not really a professional reviewer, lol, and make my mistakes and occassionally snooze through a few scenes]. I'm not holding on to any positions here, but even given that this is a real attempt at an affair, people like Teh can acknowledge that they made a mistake and try to repair a relationship. Teh did do something to make up to Oh-Aew before where he gave up his university seat for him, showing that he was capable of putting his love interest before his career. I agree that he will have to do something big to make up to Oh-Aew. We will see how the screenplay writers finish the story and I just want them to do it right. I am not a Teh fan - I have no idea where that is coming from. I don't know if he is a genius actor at all. We only have biographies of famous artists so they are the only people I can compare him to and they have similar backgrounds so it seemed pertinent. I find Teh to be an irresponsible, and somewhat oblivious self-centered person, but he does have some good qualities. I feel life is pretty messy and a flawed person like Teh is part of the natural make-up of the world and similar to many other flawed partners in various relationships. I'm just not rushing to judgement or writing him off. He is capable of some improvement. At the beginning of this series he did accept himself as being gay, and shows that he is capable of growth. But, again, I am for the writers finishing this series with the best artistic ending of the various choices available.

First of all, no one is saying one is more deserving because they are more passionate. In my previous posts concerning the obsessive artistic type I said they are insensitive towards other people and are actually bad partners. I used several examples like Beethoven, and Mozart. Picasso would be another good example. I was never talking about any prize-race or one person being more deserving than another - that must be your subjective interpretation. I just don't know where you get that. My only mild criticism of Oh-Aew is that he is too tough on Teh.

They are young but they can still seek counseling or the advice of someone with experience or they can go through more of a process before giving up. Oh-Aew has been crying for a week and probably still has feelings for Teh. Teh has maybe muted feelings for Oh-Aew. I can't read his mind but he has been trying hard to get in touch with Oh-Aew for a week, and had to force his way in to finally get a meeting with him. He did stray with Jai, but he has offered to break it off with him. I think they might be able to patch things up, but I'm not even hoping for that to happen. I want the drama to end in the most artistically satisfying way possible. I think these reactions here and elsewhere to my post are an unusual subjective take on what I wrote here. In my previous post, just a few down, I said this would end in tragedy and that Teh would inevitably separate from Oh-Aew because of his obsession with his career. This post only offered a possible alternative scenario in which the two might get together in a plausible way that would not sacrifice the artisitic integrity of the show.

I'm just very frustrated as well to see these responses. I am very sympathetic to Oh-Aew as I've said in other posts. I personally changed my major several times and I was just as much without direction when I was his age, so I am very understanding of what he has gone through. I was also fragile and introverted like him, especially as he was during the beginning of this drama. I think I've been on the same journey as him to get stronger, so it's good to see his development.

Your post was well written but I had to clarify where I believed you were mistaken. Have a nice day.

I appreciate that, and thank you for your post which I thought was well written. Have a nice weekend!

Beautifully said! Thank you for your heartfelt and moving post.

Your comment almost makes no sense to me. What are you talking about? Oh-Aew can change courses like anyone else at the drop of a hat. It doesn't prove either strength or weakness. I changed my major 4 times myself in order to find my career. I'm glad Oh-Aew found something he's good at but I'm not sure he even looked at all the possibilities, but let us assume that he found the perfect career for him by accident. Good for him. I'm just not assuming that he did.

You think during my post that I said he had to stay in an acting career till the bitter end, even after years of hating it? Whoever said that? He could try a few more times at least given that Teh sacrificed his seat for him at great personal cost to himself. But I was getting at that the casting process is brutal and he was definitely weaker than most and wouldn't be able to handle it. He did grow much stronger during the series and after 3 years at the university he might have been able to handle that first screening well enough.

Your one sentence "make it make sense" is pertinent to yourself. In this paragraph
"This narrative that Oh-Aew has no direction in his life is baffling to me because in the previous sentence you said he will probably end up in advertising," At the point where I did say he had no direction in his life, the previous sentence was Oh-Aew is being a little too tough on Teh, and the previous sentence to that was describing Jai and his manipulations of Teh. Later, near the end of my post I say that Oh-Aew could help Teh in his career with his knowledge of advertising [and that is where I assume you get that from]. I think Oh-Aew might stay with advertising but I'm not assuming it as you think - I'm only saying that if he did stay with advertising that could potentially be a way for the two to have a symbiotic kind of professional relationship.

Rereading my post I will give you that it doesn't seem sympathetic to Oh-Aew, but it is just neutral. I think the worst I said was that he was a fragile flower during the screening process but most of us would be in that scenario.

I am very sympathetic to Oh-Aew and you would be able to tell that from my previous posts. I've said in a previous post that Teh might be a person that is consumed with his career and might not be capable of being a nurturing individual. My previous post also talks about how I was certain that Oh-Aew and Teh would certainly separate, but I've posed a possible scenario in this post of how that might not happen.

I agree that he has developed strength during this series, but he did start as relatively fragile individual when he first came to the university. He was crying because he left his home town and felt displaced in the big city. I think it's one of the most positive developments in this series, his development from a frightened anxiety-prone individual into a rather normal person.

Is this me people are talking about, lol? I'm not criticizing Oh-Aew for changing his major. Most people would not tolerate the brutal screening process found in the movie industry. I wonder why people can't acknowledge, though, that Oh-Aew has some mental fragility especially considering everything that happened in ITSAY.

I think he has developed some strength in this series and that is laudable. Changing majors is done by many people at the drop of a hat and does not indicate strength or weakness. I don't know how this is being interpreted as some strange criticism of Oh-Aew. That I said he had no direction in his life is not a criticism. I personally had little direction in my life at his age. I'm just making an observation. I personally am very sympathetic to this character because I was very similar to him.

That he's built a network of friends, and has begun pursuing a viable career shows he's actually doing rather well. I think he was showing a lot of strength in rejecting Teh which he might not even have been able to do in ITSAY. Even from the beginning of this series Oh-Aew has grown a great deal stronger and it is certainly one of the best positive developments in this series. He has always been a sweet, gentle, and caring person [someone my mother would say was almost too nice for their own good], so he deserves the best kind of partner.

Nonetheless, I still defend Teh, though he is a troubled young man. In my one post I basically said he might just be one of your typical self-absorbed artists that have little sympathy for other people. But I do believe he is redeemable, and forgivable. That is where we will have to agree to disagree.

Not all relationships have to end when "cheating" occurs. People go for couple counseling for this and they try to work it out. They don't just give up, otherwise we would have a sky-high divorce rate. With this couple I think it might even be good if they broke up. Things are still up in the air. I would be interested to see how Teh attempts to make up for his bad behavior. If it's not good enough then the couple should break up. I'm just not rushing my judgment here.

As I've said to another person below I've written a much bleaker post about what I thought would happen to this couple and I was presenting a positive scenario here as an alternative but in neither post do I agree that Teh is totally in the wrong. I will just agree to disagree with you on that point. Even conceding that he cheated on Oh-Aew there is certainly the possibility that he can be forgiven. I think he's not done anything in the past, and has been very respectful and kind towards Oh-Aew for most of their relationship. I don't think he is irredeemable. The two should probably get some couple's counseling. This is their first major trial and they should at least go through some process before just giving up. If this was the standard people are happy with, we would have 90 percent of marriages ending in divorce. If after every traumatic event when one partner is in the wrong should people just throw in the towel and seek to separate?

I did say that Teh was interested in marketing so we don't disagree there. Is he passionate about it? I think it is unclear and I would like to see him tested more in it to make a definitive assessment, like in a scenario where he has a very difficult assignment with a tough boss. He could also be seen to have his own company in the future and doing very well getting clients (though he doesn't have the schmoozing skills I think that would be necessary there), where he could also display his passion for his career.

I was never saying Teh's passion is the perfect way to be. Great artists that we have biographies for have exhibited a lot of bad behavior. I think Teh is an idealist and he can possibly use that idealism in other areas like when he gave up his University seat for Oh-Aew.

I agree with you on your last point. I am a fan of having art works completed in the best way possible. If the writers can't come up with a believable scenario for getting the two main characters back together I am not for it. I want good art, not corny love stories. I Promised You The Moon is done very well and they don't need to lower their standards in the end to achieve a fake happy ending.

My purpose in writing this post was to propose an alternative scenario to the tragic one I had posted earlier. I think, nonetheless, we do disagree on a few key points. I think Oh-Aew could give Teh another chance because he was being manipulated and he has not strayed before. If it keeps happening then he should make a decision at some later point. These two would be good candidates to seek couples counseling and there are certainly problems on both sides. You should go through a process before calling it quits. I understand Oh-Aew is hurt by what Teh did, but the kiss was half-way an exercise and half adultery. Teh seemed remorseful after it happened. The other things that happened, the possible infatuation with someone else during a committed relationship could happen to anyone. I'm not as certain as you are about the adultery part, and we will have to agree to disagree about it. I think you underplay how strongly Jai was involved in manipulating Teh, especially for a young impressionable person, but I'll agree that Teh has to shoulder a lot of the blame. I'm not holding him to some very low standard as you imagine.

I still think Oh-Aew was pretty delicate but has shown a lot of growth. He seems more delicate in ITSAY than here. I think in this show he displays some resiliency but I'm not sure how strong he is. I wonder how he would be if he was tested in the workplace by a tough boss? The ad world is pretty tough and unforgiving. I am very sympathetic to his character and am always rooting for people that are bullied, or traumatized. I wonder if Oh-Aew has grown enough in this series that he might be able to handle things like a normal person. This would be interesting to find out in some future development in this series, but I'm not sure how strong he is at this point.

He might be passionate about his job but I'm not exactly sure how to quantify that. You might be right but I don't see enough evidence of it. I did say he displayed an interest in it which is good and certainly is better than when he had no direction at all in his life. That he is just as passionate as Teh is unlikely, and Teh's level of passion is even unhealthy so I'm not going to agree with you on that point. Oh-Aew might be just as strong as Teh emotionally, because they both have emotional problems but that doesn't mean he is a strong individual.

Most of your points are well said, but if someone disagrees with you do you have to characterize them as being nearly insane as you do at the beginning of your post? I think we disagree on a few points, but I hope you see they are reasonable disagreements.

People are a little too tough on Teh. I think he has not even really cheated on Oh-Aew yet. He's committed the crime of having bad thoughts, but given that bad thoughts are enough in a BL to commit a person to BL jail, Teh is definitely not impossible to redeem. Unlike what some people are saying about him, he is not that flighty. He's worked for years with single-minded dedication to achieve his goal of becoming an actor. As an actor he is very idealistic and will not tolerate anyone sacrificing their ideals like Kim does [although I completely agree with Kim's decision]. Normally we admire artists that have this single-minded dedication as much as we admire a monk who has performed greater feats of self-sacrifice. Teh has also made the grand gesture of giving up his seat at the university for Oh-Aew's benefit. In his act of infidelity, everyone is forgetting how Jai has manipulated him in every way imaginable - from reading his diaries, getting sympathy out of him because of his break-up with his former lover James, impressing him with his knowledge of the thespian art, and offering him opportunities in his profession.

Oh-Aew's is also being a little too tough on Teh. He's a little fragile and has no clear center in his life. From the beginning of ITSAY he relates how he has no direction. He has basically picked his job because he thinks he's more skilled at it than some other random job, but we have never seen that he exhibits any passion for it. He basically gives up on acting because he hates rejection, and the screening process is very brutal - a delicate flower like him would never be able to handle it. The one clear thing he has a passion for in his life up to this point has been his love for Teh. I imagine he has to be psychologically devastated by his own rejection of Teh because his life is back in that vacuum that it was in before he met him.

Despite what I said in a previous post, I do see a scenario in which these two can get together again. Teh can beg for forgiveness and prove he will not have any relationship with Jai - he has the strength of character to do this. Oh-Aew only says he can't trust him because he is so fragile and is easily hurt by even the hint of rejection. They can get back together because there was no real damage done. Teh's proven to be an idealist and he has proven that by even sacrificing his University seat to help Oh-Aew in the past. In the future the two can work together because advertising is very important for the promotion of an artist so they could have a lot to talk about if they chose to work as a team. Oh-Aew has mostly no clear direction in life so he could combine the two things he is interested in and we could end with a happy scenario that is actually quite believable.

If I'm wrong about this, please ignore this post next week and read my former post which offers the worst case scenario that so many on here are rooting for :-).

This show is extremely well done especially for a BL. I like the naive love story in I Told Sunset About You, but there is something so elemental in this one that goes beyond the whole BL genre. It feels like a gut punch to the whole concept we've been seeing in BL's, the childish innocence that dominates this field. Even where there is a tragedy like in MODC it feels almost random. This is a tragedy with intent.

I understand no one likes tragedy in BL's, and I've said so myself, mainly because it is just so out of place. I think only in the rather strange BL, The Effect, have I seen this kind of tragedy. I also think it is necessary in this drama. I have no idea how Teh will decide to skip out on his career to stay with Oh-Aew. He is a very self-absorbed artist that doesn't even understand that he will sacrifice everything for his career. I don't think he will go back to Oh-Aew and Oh-Aew won't let him come back because he understands this better than Teh. Through the long run of awkward kisses, and forced "I love you" 's that he's been enduring with Teh, he understands that Teh is faking it, and that their love is very tarnished. Oh-Aew knows that he will never have the familiarity with Teh that Teh's acting friends have and he relates this to him during their break-up scene.

I can only root for the storyline that makes sense at this point. That would be the one where the two separate. Oh-Aew will not become a subservient tool of Teh in his acting career because that is simply not his personality. Teh will never take an interest in Oh-Aew's advertising career which would be the normal form of reciprocation among married couples. There is little possibility of them staying together unless Teh would be willing to work in cheap playhouses where he would never make any money and never have any modicum of fame. I think that he will delete his instagram because he will instinctively understand this scenario.

Am I a fan of this particular plotline? Absolutely not. But that is the direction the writers have taken and as much as I did not want Oedipus to kill his father and marry his mother I must respect Sophocles as an artist and let him make that decision, especially if he is delivering us a masterpiece. I am still not a fan of this and I hope I'm wrong and the story comes up with a really plausible way for Teh and Oh-Aew to be together, but I feel it is rather unlikely. I respect all the great craftsmanship that has gone into this series, and will always sing its praises, but I would much rather that it had ended on a happy note.

What is the lesson this would convey? That even the most lovely couple can fall apart, even the most steadfast lovers can become unfaithful? We already knew that, but it is just something that can always be reexplained in a new age for a new audience. Just try to understand that if you enjoy couples uniting for the great satisfaction of seeing the fulfillment of love in all its forms, that we enjoy art in a similar way but that it is a fulfillment of something ethereal and spiritual which is equally satisfying.

There have been a lot of negative reactions to Teh's behavior and clearly he has done something inappropriate, but he has obviously been manipulated into crossing some sexual boundaries. I think he is not fully at fault for his actions and the situation seems a little nebulous at this point. Director Jai is clearly far more to blame than Teh.

I look at Teh as an ardent artist who is compelled by his craft in an almost consuming way. It reminds me of someone like Beethoven who said music was his mistress, leaving him somewhat incapable of having a relationship with a real woman because his craft was such a jealous mistress. Other artists also treat their relationship with people in a less humane and tolerant way because they treat people as if they were more an audience than as humans who need nurturing and sympathy. Teh has at least been able to remain in a relationship with Oh-Aew for some time so he is not among the worst of the absorbed artist type, but his craft is clearly beginning to take over. Even before the director has manipulated Teh, he and Oh-Aew clearly had less physical contact (compare them to the beginning when they are getting condoms at the convenience store). The break from when Oh-Aew decides to leave the acting profession, going into advertising (not even a sister art), might have been the turning point in their relationship. I'm thinking of Robert and Clara Schumann talking about music theory and history all day with each other being the wellspring of love between the two. It is certainly common in Hollywood, of course, to see actors dating mainly actresses. Acting when taken seriously is consuming and you want your lover to understand you and the language you are speaking which would be like the very air you were breathing. If Teh was more a hobbyist, I would see this dynamic differently, but his challenge with Oh-Aew is tougher than most realize here given his artistic obsession. Oh-Aew, on the other could be the other type of person that artists love, the person that takes care of them so they can fully concentrate on their profession. I'm sorry for using so much music history here but Mozart had his wife cut his food for him at the end of the day because he wrote for 15 hours using a quill [also cheated on her spectacularly], Einstein married his second wife because she was a good caretaker. This is the role of almost a servant, to be honest, but this is what many artists are accustomed to, and expectant of. This might be too much for Oh-Aew to handle and he might be the one, in the end, to break off the relationship.

I also want to stress that the manipulations of the director are perfect because he is a mentor AND a fellow artist who is as seemingly obsessed with his craft as Teh. When they go to see the show with the Mimes, Jai tells Teh the Mime is using a memory of various tactile sensations to recreate motions during their performances much like he is asking Teh to recreate the sensations of love-making - this was a brilliant manipulation because it would appeal to Teh's love of his craft. In addition, for those who have had a professor that gave them a scintillating lecture, it makes one into a sort of fan of the person who has brought out a trenchant insight in such an entertaining and sophisticated way. Jai also gets them into the theater with little issue even though Teh has no ticket - he is the entrepot to the acting world and this would be so enticing for a young artist. The director is the perfect tempter and this screenplay is very, very ingenious in how they have used him as a person to make Teh look like the bad guy to some of you. And I believe that was clearly their intent having you witness Oh-Aew catch them in the act. But the real intent is to make you see the complexity of real life and the messiness of many relationships.

Teh might still be at fault in all of this, but he has a huge number of temptations that have led him astray, and if you see his reaction in the end, it is one of remorse. That people jump on this bandwagon of thinking what a saint Oh-Aew is and how we should sympathize with this poor, sweet guy [which he is], you have to take into account that Teh has not even clearly done anything wrong yet, and that his temptations are much more than most people had thought.

Very well said! I think they capture the tribulations of young love so well in this series. I was really more invested in the two staying together during ITSAY, and the development would have made it into a tragedy if those two hadn't made it as a couple. In this drama, I feel almost a natural desire to see them separate [not really]. It feels like the fire has gone out of the relationships and it's not as necessary for me to wish that they would be together as much. I think that people who are upset at this possibility, that the couple might break up, seem like mentally unstable people (not picking on anyone with psychiatric problems here), more than people that have some axe to grind. I find it almost impossible to take them seriously. I guess it is just rare in BL's to see any "cheating" going on, and this caused an unnatural overreaction, but the take on this is just so delusional I can find no real excuse for it.

I love your statement about art being a form of experimentation. I hardly see any in most BL's so it is certainly very exciting and envigorating to see it here, and to hamper that experimentation with these puerile objections is just off-putting for me. I am much more interested that they complete the drama in the most artistically cogent manner possible rather than that they fulfill some silly BL trope.

BTW this doesn't mean I've given up on Teh and Oh-Aew remaining a couple. I think Teh has some natural idealism that can carry him back into a realtionship with Oh-Aew, or he can rediscover the person that actually cares for him after he's been dumped by the wily director. I just want the best possible plot to be fulfilled by the end of the drama, and I think you were saying pretty much the same thing.

Thanks again for your detailed analysis here. Much appreciated!

There have been several posts regarding Teh and his breaking faith with Oh-Aew. As I've said in other posts, this is fiction so why the Hell does anyone care. This seems even sillier than other controversies I've ever heard out there on planet BL. The screenplay writers have set up a lot of temptations for Teh. The two young lovers are now in two totally different circles, and Teh is almost maniacally obsessed with his craft as can be seen with his reaction to Kim becoming an air flight attendant. The director is a master manipulator that knows how to play on all of Teh's vulnerabilities - he even knows his inner thoughts because he makes Teh write them down in those weird diaries. Young couples are generally more fragile than older ones as well. No one should expect perfect fidelity at this point, and we don't have to coddle the gay population here. Gay men are even more likely to stray than heterosexual couples, and don't have the societal restraints that heterosexual couples have. Many gay couples believe in open relationships, and studies have found they are just as happy as those in monogamous relationships. I'm sure this will sound very controversial on this board, but that is just the plain truth. I hope Teh and Oh-Aew will have a happy relationship, but if they can't I will be perfectly happy that they find other partners they can be happy with. That the two have to be glued together because that's what makes you happy, serves no function in an artistic work.

This series is truly amazing. I can't say how much better this is than other BL's because it's own league along with ITSAY. The cinematography and acting are truly well beyond anything in the other BL"S. They honestly don't even have the ambition of going this far in the other shows. The script is just so sterling. Yes, there are some slow moments but it is really hard to tell sometimes when these things have to be sacrificed for narrative development. We don't have to worry about all the formulas, the tropes, the endless repititive cycles of BL's that are just like wallpaper, rather than serious movie-making.

The relationship between OH-Aew and Tae has evolved naturally and is so true to life. I could really sense how this was built up so well because of their separate career paths and Teh's obsession with his own craft. The screenplay has set up so many believable points of tension you don't really have to wonder why Teh is where he is in this relationship. Whether Teh breaks up with Oh-Aew or not is a puzzle that helps set up our interest to watch the next episode - it could easily go either way at this point which is just such a great hook to get us to see how this develops.

The director is such a brilliant manipulator. He'll leave Teh behind, I'm sure, because relationships can't be built on Machiavellian manipulations, but I love how they built this character up so subtly from being a very sympathetic coach into a predatory producer. The scene under the bridge in the park was a magnificent cinematographic moment, and that sly coversation that Jai has with him, sucking out every ounce of sympathy from Teh, was done beautifully. The last scene with Jai was just so riveting and comical [MMM, let's do this exercise again baby...I love me some homework]. I think this drama is just full of these complex interactions. Oh-Aew's reaction on seeing the kiss is not just some hysterical screaming but a mixture of several emotions that leaves us wondering what his state of mind is.

Just a magical production. A mature BL that is almost unrecognizable as a BL. I'm totally certain this is one of the best BL's out there, and I'm not even sure that they'll produce that much better than this in the future. Congratulations Nadao Bangkok, and thank you for your very high standards. I can only beg you to do more like this for us in the future.

You fail to understand that I said it was impossible to talk with you because we completely disagree with each other.

You've been on the attack with me the whole time starting with I've been spamming, then saying I was very low [ extremely insulting language in my book], but I've kept listening to you without calling you a single name.

I can criticize people's opinions without attacking them personally. You just don't understand that this is fine during a debate. You express your opinion and then I express mine, but we do it in a civil way. Look at how I've been attacked by the guy above that says I need to seek mental help. Why don't you go after him if you're so concerned about this issue? For 10 weeks we've been attacked in every way imaginable by people who hold different opinions but I've never heard anyone trying to tell them they can't voice their opinions. I will keep on saying to drop your ideas about step-brother incest being wrong, or that a rape occurred during this series just like they will say the opposite. You know what happens in the end? The truth will come out.

Please get off your moral high horse. I'll not pretend to be a saint, but you have been very rude during much of this post but have been moderating your words so I will give you that, I guess.

I thank you for the compliment at the end. Have a nice day again, and see you on some other board, hopefully in a nicer setting.

Thank you for the suggestions! I essentially like almost all BL's and someone like that guy above doesn't understand I'm even enjoying some of the worst ones. I do really appreciate when a series or book goes beyond and produces something like real art, though. I'm a big reader so I'm sure I'll appreciate these recommendations. Thank you again!

This guy doesn't seem to understand that art isn' judged by moral standards except by people like SJW's and Church ladies. He also thinks a rape happened during this series. Essentially he is impossible to talk to, lol.

Can I say it is you who insult people? I have been civil and you choose not to see it, and so I assume you want to just willfully insult me. I don't care if you think I am insulting you or others indirectly, that is just your opinion and is not my intent. I find the harsh opinions on here that are totally off the hook justify some tougher language but I haven't attacked them.

At this point I think you really are blind. You might have pulled out one example of how people judge a movie or show by some weird ethical standard, but that is not how the vast bulk of criticism is done. And art work that is judged by time is not concerned by these moral standards. You can keep posting this opinion but I really believe it is such a strange opinion that I'll choose to ignore it as I will advocate everyone else should ignore it.

Critics attack other critics all the time. That is not crossing the line. That's called having a debate, or disagreeing with each other. If you do it in nice way there is no harm done.

I already said people can post their opinions. If I say someone shouldn't do this or that, that is my opinion. I have no control of this board. I can also say people shouldn't murder each other, but that doesn't mean I control them in any way.

You only understand what you choose to understand. Look, I'm not getting anything out of this, I think honestly you are intelligent and have some opinions I completely disagree with. I've heard them in a nice way, but you keep coming back to your attacks. Have a nice day again. I will not be continuing this discussion.

You are entitled to your opinion. I certainly am not mocking anyone. I tell them to stop putting morality first. I find your opinion odd since I really love Western lit, and international film of all varieties. and no one in hundreds of years in various genres have problems with these issues and do not look at dramas through the lenses that you consider to be applicable. Yes, people on here might hate step-brothers being in a relationship but it is odd, and no one in any other genre worries about these things except a few people on the far fringes.

I really object to your characterization of what I'm doing. I did recently "attack" three people on here but, in general, I never respond to their posts. To be fair, I shouldn't have responded to them at all and kept with my old practice. I'm not crossing any line like you are describing. I have kept the debate very civil, and I am not very low as you describe. That is just appalling you should say that. I was talking about general practices that should not be followed. I'm sure I won't convince you, again, because you seem very inflexible in your opinions. Have a nice day.