starlit-dramas

Exactly!! You get it.

I don't know if anybody who lives outside of my mind will get this, but I feel like they would be the type of couple to still be in love a century or so and a couple great great grandkids into their relationship – who'll make the other a cup of tea to sit and watch the rainfall by the window, who'll pass each other the newspaper over breakfast while not needing to say a single other word. I could so, so easily imagine this couple growing old together. Anybody else?

I was thinking the same at first, but I continued and I haven't regretted it so far. ♡

I agree! It feels very naturally integrated.

I don't know if I can speak specifically for people who aren't all that into media / story analysis, but I feel like I've seen it referenced quite a lot – I feel like it's especially relevant for visual media, where a minute of dialogue (or a gun prop on stage) will be an extra expense that would likely be better cut to fit a budget if either not relevant, or relevant only as a direct red herring.

I saw somebody else online say "Chekhov's panic room"... and I think they may be right; I don't think it's a coincidence the panic room was referenced around the 2ML, and I think there's a good chance it'll be foreshadowing.

The way this is soooooooo cute 😭😭😭

I think it addresses that pretty well in-drama. Some presentations of non-neurotypical (or coded) behaviour will not be typical, and I relate to that (I've often felt that being autistic makes me feel like an "alien", and I find it interesting to see a literal spin of that). I've generally seen her being received well, though.

I feel the same; it's a great show so far to balance some of the harder-hitting ones I'm watching too.

How so?

I think it's sooooo funny that Sun's already started to show signs that she's crushing on both "Earth" and Ongsa... literally what in the Lois Lane level chaos 💀

I think she's supposed to be neurodivergent / autistic coded.

A lot of people arguing. Nobody seems wrong or right, especially when it's all pretty subjective anyway, but it's kind of a mess.

Of course!! To me, it really does come down to – if there is an actual fault, in the storytelling or on some ethical component, or even if a person is willing to openly admit that they don't like a story, then I think that is worthwhile.

But when the superiority kicks in, or when an opinion on something is presented as fact – "the writing is immature and bad" over "I found it immature and bad when [xyz]", I feel like it can stunt discussion – and I feel like it can be sometimes intentional, when somebody either doesn't want to be challenged, or when they just want to look down on the fools who deign to enjoy something so pedestrian.

"The trouble is that we have a bad habit, encouraged by pedants and sophisticates, of considering happiness as something rather stupid. Only pain is intellectual, only evil interesting." – Ursula Le Guin, a quote which I feel like very well applies to stories of this nature.

Too often when a story like this comes about, it feels like there's this strange intellectual battle fought all the time over who can enjoy a lighthearted ("childish") story the least – for who else can enjoy simplicity, joy and forthrightness but children and the intellectually weak, according to some?

If we get deeper and more complex characterisation later on, then I'm sure I will appreciate it. But for right now – for the fact that there are still only two episodes of this out, too, and it's still early on – I'm enjoying this exactly for its simple nature. I'm finding it lighthearted and enjoyable so far, and I'm liking the feeling of looking forward to my Fridays . ♡

I think if it continues the way it is, it'll be nice to get a sapphic / GL story that's not mired in tragedy, angst or horror, not because I dislike any of those things – but for just for some variety. It still feels rare enough when there isn't some of the "Gay people are normal!" style morality tale that feels more othering than normalising, or a moral punishment (usually through aforementioned tragedy, heightened angst and horror) or filtering through a million different lenses of censorship and coding (which I can still appreciate, but is nice when it isn't enforced or expected) treatment that sapphic love stories often get.

Unless it goes drastically off the rails, I'm having a really fun time being promised something a little romantic and whimsical at this point. I can't wait for more. <3

I agree that the boys harassing Ongsa wasn't handled the best, as imo it was far more an issue on sexual harassment than filming somebody, and the way that they framed it felt weird.

But otherwise – I don't see what else you've listed that isn't just playing on a typical comedic motif, or constructing theme? It might not be exactly "adult" humour, but it's a fluffy romantic comedy set amongst dramatic teenage characters, and sometimes themes can be more explicitly stated and on-the-nose – especially when the tone is more lighthearted and it's not especially intended to be "food for thought", and especially when it comes to characters like Aylin (who I believe is being coded as autistic or neurodivergent – and as an autistic person myself, I think a lot of us can tend to say things like that quite bluntly), like I believe they're going for with this.

This isn't intended as a bashing on you more than a discussion, by the way, and I actually find it nice to get some balanced and well thought out perspectives in here that I don't entirely disagree with – I also think it's perfectly okay if the humour or the way that themes are handled don't work for you – but my main point of disagreement is that I don't think a child could write this, and I don't think it's entirely fair to conflate "I don't like this" with "this is objectively bad". So far, I think it's been pretty well paced, the dialogue has been effective for what it's trying to do and has been kept in-character, and it's got an audience that enjoys it (myself included for right now). I would say on the whole, though not faultless, I think it's been well written for the genre and tone they're going for.

Being ableist, even over characters that aren't explicitly stated as autistic but have traits, isn't as relatable as you think it might be.

I'm soooooo excited for Jeong Nyeon... I can't wait 😭

I NEED this