Tanky Toon

Even if it's r4pe, the chances of KSH being convicted is very slim to none. Statistics even show less than 4% of r4pe cases in Canada and the US, end up in conviction. And these are first world countries who supposedly have more advanced, or updated laws protecting the vulnerable.

https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/sex-assault-convictions/#:~:text=U.S.%20news-,A%20vanishingly%20small%20number%20of%20violent%20sex%20crimes%20end%20in,an%20NBC%20News%20investigation%20found.

https://www.gbvlearningnetwork.ca/our-work/infographics/sexualviolence/index.html

Here is a closer look at the concept of r4pe in SK, where a patriarchal society is anti-feminist and would hardly allow the rights of women to flourish.

https://igg-geo.org/en/2023/10/30/the-concept-of-rape-in-south-korea/

Right now , there's a big trial going on in Canada where 5 ex-hockey players are accused of s3xual a$$ault. They have plead not guilty and insisted it was the victim who begged the men to g@ng b@ng her and it is her word against 5 of them. With KSR not being able to testify, KSH can say whatever he wants, and it would be very hard to prove. Even if he admits to having s3x with KSR while she was a minor, After all, in the eyes of SK law, he did nothing criminally punishable.

But just because he cannot be held legally accountable, doesn't mean that what he did was right. We need more people to speak up, raise awareness, even if the statistics look very dim. We cannot let injustice reign or let people who are in a position of power, prey on the vulnerable, just because the chances of them getting away with it, are pretty high. It may take a few years, even decades, for existing laws to catch up to the stark imbalance of power, but it's always worth a try.

So what you are saying is, because the law does not make it illegal for a 12 year old or a 13 year old to be having intimate relations with an adult, that people should just accept it. Just how like there's no law against adultery, it means that people who have been cheated on, should just suck it up and tolerate such behavior. I see where your moral compass lies, and hope that you would also permit your 12 year old child (if you ever have one) to be with an adult, since you see nothing wrong with this situation.

I guess it's easy to hide behind the court of law, when the justice system in South Korea is skewed in favor of the rich and the powerful.

Even if all KSR's family claims were true, the defamation law in S. Korea will rule in KSH favor because of the way that it's structured to give the person whose career and livelihood had been ruined, the advantage.

https://seoullawgroup.com/defamation-laws-in-korea/

https://seoullawgroup.com/is-it-a-crime-if-i-told-the-truth/

https://www.article19.org/resources/south-korea-repressive-criminal-defamation-provisions-threaten-freedom-of-expression/

Offenders of serious crimes, like rapists, have used this law to silence their victims.
https://www.afp.com/en/fighting-justice-south-korea-where-truth-can-be-crime

What a time to be alive, where we show empathy on those who take advantage of the weak, because he was unjustifiably vilified according to your arguments. We are supposed to excuse their actions, because they were necessary to protect their star status, but it's fine to corner a vulnerable person and contribute to their misery.

At this point, why not just go ahead and say that KSH is a martyr and the hail all mighty, we might as well believe you.

These horrible moms abandoning their sons and let another kind man to raise them for over 10 years and later comes to collect them, like they're money they left in the bank for a decade and only withdraw to when it's convenient.

Just because they gave birth to the sons doesn't mean they are owed anything, and certainly the 9 months in their womb doesn't compare to the 10+ years of love and support that was given to them by a selfless man who wishes nothing but for his children's happiness.

It irks me to no end, but I know these type of people exist, especially those who blame their kids for an accidental death that a child has no control over. The person who is ultimately responsible for the sister's death are the parents who left two young kids for days to fend on their own. And she has the gall to "forgive' his son after years of hating him just to make herself feel better.

I remember not being able to stomach this vile wench in the OG. That for me to continue watching just made my blood boil and detrimental to my sanity. San Ho's mom is a watered down version in the Chinese original but still doesn't make me hate her less.

Yes, sadly, GRI couldn't smell the stinky baloney from a mile away. It looks like GM got him by the balls. This is unfortunate for KSR's family and their fight for justice. They are most likely going to be buried under the weight of those lawsuits. I am surprised that they were not advised against filing lawsuits that they couldn't possibly win. Even if all their claims were true, the defamation law in S. Korea will rule in KSH favor because of the way that it's structured to give the person whose career and livelihood had been ruined, the advantage.

https://seoullawgroup.com/defamation-laws-in-korea/

https://seoullawgroup.com/is-it-a-crime-if-i-told-the-truth/

https://www.article19.org/resources/south-korea-repressive-criminal-defamation-provisions-threaten-freedom-of-expression/

Offenders of serious crimes, like rapists, have used this law to silence their victims.
https://www.afp.com/en/fighting-justice-south-korea-where-truth-can-be-crime

In one of the above articles, it has been stated that "criminal defamation provisions are favoured tools of rich and powerful individuals seeking to silence those who raise concerns about their misdeeds"

I am not saying that victims shouldn't speak out against their perpetrators; it just would be an uphill battle, so all the more careful they should be in presenting their evidence, and hope that their case is airtight enough to have a fighting chance in court.

Yes, I am of the belief, that in order to form a more objective opinion, is to look at all sides of the coin. This includes, not picking and choosing arguments that are only favorable to the narrative that I'm supporting. And doing this doesn't mean I'm negating KSH actions towards KSR when she was a minor. I still fully believe that he *DID* groom her and had a hand in her misery, if not her death. But this also doesn't mean that I should be blind to other things that refute these findings, no matter how unsavory they might be. Or else, I would be like those deluded stans who are fanatically devoted to their idols, that they refuse to hear any form of criticism. I would be no better than them.

Yes, unfortunately. For someone who is supposed to be an investigative journalist, he sure did not do any fact checking. Did not even reach out to the SBS reporter, or Won Bin or any of the names dropped in that recording to hear their side of the story.

He was too desperate for publicity that he took the obvious bait.

Won Bin just released a statement through his reps and said he never met the informant and never went to NJ as the informant and his wife claims.

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/won-bin-speaks-actors-alleged-role-in-kim-sae-ron-kim-soo-hyun-controversy/?cb=I51axg

Exactly my thoughts. This seems like a set-up and the recording might even be from GM, that's why they say they have the metadata of the voice recording and all. How would they have that, when they said they didn't give in to the informant's demands???? How did they get hold of it if they aren't the ones who fabricated it?? And to immediately have a statement ready right after GRI's presscon reeks of a deliberate scheme to discredit GRI and his claims.

Yes, this is one of sticking points that made me doubt the informant and his wife's story. It sounds pretty much like they are dropping names in hopes of a huge payday.

Yes, if GRI only stuck to the original claims, that KSH dated a minor, the indignation would still be there. However, the more outrageous the claims get, the less people will believe them.

GRI's intent for justice has now become less meaningful and looks more like seeking sensationalism.

I hope KSRs family doesn't regret reaching out to GaroSero.

Indeed, they are the ones who will bear the consequences of such lies, even though they are not made by them.

It was not surprising to me as this newest "evidence" seems too farfetched. This just puts a big dent in GRI/KSR's case, because all their previous claims, even if all of them are true, will be called into question.

If an ordinary person like me can spot this scam a mile away, I don't understand why someone who is supposed to be an investigative reporter, would fall for such a blatant fabrication clearly meant to extort money.

It's been revealed that this informant has gone to other people as well, including the journalist mentioned in the recordings, and peddled his wares, hoping to get something out of it.

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/sbs-reporter-slaps-garo-sero-lawsuit-denounces-kim-sae-ron-recordings-fake/

It's just sad, that the original intent of KSR's family, to seek an apology from KSH for his transgressions against their daughter, became such a dirty game, played by people who intend to drag her KSR'S name into the mud.

It's probably a blessing in disguise that she's not alive to see this ruckus, and her family's suffering because she misplaced her faith in one man, who never intended to marry her in the first place.

I just watched this analysis and his is so detailed but pretty much in line with what I thought and wholeheartedly agree with his observations.

I made some of the points as well in my other comments here:

https://kisskh.at/people/424-kim-soo-hyun#comment-21867492

https://kisskh.at/people/424-kim-soo-hyun#comment-21857758

https://kisskh.at/people/424-kim-soo-hyun#comment-21860882

*Sigh* This was what I was afraid of, that it was an elaborate set-up meant to lure GRI into making statements that can be argued as false. That GRI didn't bother to fact check this, is concerning to me. How can this Informant change his tune so fast, makes me wonder if this is all part of GM's plan all along, so they can undo all the real evidence that GRI had, by exposing this fake one. This is very much like poking a hole in a scarf and find that thread that would unravel the whole case.

Even when I heard the story, as much as I wanted to believe that this was real, there were too many plot holes and glaring inconsistencies.
1) A crime or stabbing of this magnitude would make it to the news (even local), but didn't
2) Using stock photos instead of real photographs as "evidence" makes me think that they don't have the real injuries in the first place
3) To be stabbed in the neck that brutally, and to be released from hospital temporarily just to take said "evidence" reeks of baloney
4) The video recording reads like a script that addresses all the points so far given against KSH.
5) Bringing in Won Bin into the conversation, implying that he visited the informant's family in NY, was for me the last straw. If Won Bin would help anyone, I believe it would be KSR's family first. Why would he help a random informant residing in another country, if KSR's family didn't even mention anything about the actor.
6) With AI tech these days, it's easier to fabricate recordings. I lend more credence to the photos saved in KSR's old phone, and those text messages between them. As long there's metadata to substantiate these, I deem them as real.

Sadly, the losers in this game is KSR and her family in the end.

It could even not be GaroSero who fabricated this recent evidence. They could also believe them to be real, but are presented by this informant. Have they fact checked the recordings that this informant have provided? Have they deemed the injuries to be real? And if so, why use stock photos as evidence when they could just have taken photographs of his real injuries, or at least, ask the informant to submit those photos, a video would even be better. The more credence that GRI can give, the stronger their case would be and would leave very little room for GM to refute their evidence.

Either way, I doubt that KSH will ever come back into the entertainment industry, at least not for the foreseeable future.

https://kisskh.at/article/kim-soo-hyun-s-agency-refutes-claims-by-kim-sae-ron-s-representatives-in-new-statement

This is what I was afraid of, and KSH's team already made note of it, saying "Gold Medalist is appalled by Hoverlab's press conference, which serves as definitive proof that the many claims which Hoverlab has made previously are false and fabricated. "

So like I said in my OP, even if ALL the claims from GRI have been true, GM just needs to prove 1 statement to be false, and everything else will come into question.

Exactly!! They shouldn't have even included those pictures in the press con. They are just opening themselves up to scrutiny, as what happened in this case. To change the statement after the fact, does not do their side any favors. The disclaimer should be at the beginning.

The one who is actually hurting KSR's case is not KSH team. GRI was doing fine all along, if they stick to the issue. I'm not saying KSH shouldn't be exposed. If he did the crimes, then rightfully he should be condemned.

Remember how in the beginning NewJeans had the public on their side, with all the claims that were all revealed in the pubic forum? Then when the case actually went to trial, everything else started to unfold?

Actually, there's nowhere did I say that KSR was lying. She could be telling the truth 100%, I believe that KSH *DID* groom her and had a hand in her death. But the latest recording that was released seemed too "clean" for me. As in, why would someone tell an informant who is not even a friend, all the dirty details regarding a relationship that happened during her middle school years? Remember, she was even protective of this man for years, years! So why even attempt to expose him a month before her death?

Also if this recording existed before, why did it only surface now?? This looks like people coming out of the woodwork once someone else hits the lottery, a means to extort, and the real victim in this case is KSR's family who has been trying to so hard to clear their daughter's name. Now, people have been given ammunition to sully KSR even further, and criticize the family for not doing more when she was alive.

Of course, GRI doesn't care, it's just directing traffic to their site. So I hope, just as you do, that these recent allegations are NOT fabricated.

Gold Medalist already released full statement right after GaroSero did the press con.

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/kim-soo-hyun-statement-regarding-garo-sero-claims-press-conference/

Which begs the question, how can they release a statement so fast, as if they didn't already know the contents of GRI's press con? Usually, it takes them days to refute GRI's claims.

KSH defenders can use the same argument though, that we are jumping to conclusions about KSH's crimes. I am afraid people will lose focus of what started this in the first place: KSH sleeping with a minor and pushing KSR to her death. The more outrageous claims will just bury this to the ground.

Conversely, if there's no truth to this, not saying that GRI lied, but what if they were handed fake evidence from the alleged informant, that is possible too. And if this is the case, then all the previous claims that GRI did, even all true, will be called into question and lumped together with the fake.