tilted-sun

Viki sub/translators are volunteers (which is a tad iffy) so they only take on projects they are individually interested in. Chances are this is a much, much smaller team than the more well known shows so they are likely to be much slower purely because out of lack of resources.
I think its one of those things where it will only get faster if the show gains more interest though I am eagerly waiting the next episode

???? The incubation period is long enough it spreads before the host gets symptoms. Virus evolve to be more effective and spread quicker. Its a respiratory disease, not a zombie apocalypse, its potency is depended on how effective out immune system is.

(also the vaccine was tested, the basis of it was already in development for use with other SARS viruses and the we've also had far more recourse working on this vaccine than most other vaccines)
I hope you learn to get your info from places other than 4chan and facebook. Might i suggest you should read that medical book before you burn it.

Hey to those reading this i want to say the comment im replying to is a crash course in acephobia 101 with a dash misogyny right there in the middle.

Im not gonna commemt on this thread further but i didnt want the final comment to be an 4chan knockoff post. Especially as they seem to br trying to start an arguement.

If there are any ace people reading this please know that not every member of the lgbtqia+ shares his opinion. You are valid and a member of the community.


(I also think its ingeresting that i referred to myself as queer and you interpreted that as gay. And seemed to imply you shouldnt be interested in bl shows if you arent attracted to men which is am interesting take)

The A stands for asexual.
And you are right I did miss out the Q accidentally, thank you for bringing that to my attention.
Look if you want to see more of my explanation of my comment look at my replies above, but you seem to be wanting to start a fight and you aint gonna get that from me.
But go off I guess.

okay.

The flirting comment was to a previous comment and partially based on the above thread.
My use of the word predatory was because that is how we colloquially refer to that stereotype. It wasn't directly about Mork. It was about how I felt the director was coming at the show with some subconscious basis of that stereotype. I think my wording wasn't clear in my original comment, because my issue wasn't Mork it was the directing that exacerbated it.
My critique was based on multiple directorial choices, not just Mork, that gave me the impression that this wasn't the story this director wanted to tell.
My whole thing was I really wanted to enjoy the show, I wanted a fun, not serious at all show that I didn't have to think about and I probably would have liked this and been less critical of Mork if the directing was better.
If you like the show I am happy for you, but for me the directing is where it failed.

I left a comment in a thread above but I did want to come in and note that I very purposefully never described Mork himself as predatory, my point was that it felt like it was a story told by someone who held that stereotype and how some of Mork's actions did play into that stereotype. If I worded it badly, I apologise.
(Also on your cliche not stereotype point, I will say its a stereotype that had a lot of history within media and is something I am not equipped to explain in a way that will do the subject justice)

I agree there needs some push/active participation with flirting, but I felt Mork pushed the line on occasion and I believe having feelings for someone is different to wanting to be in a relationship with someone. Rather than acting based on presumed feelings its best to listen to what the person is actually saying.
I hope I explained my point better.

I want to start with I know it was based on a book which is partly why my criticism was mostly aimed at the director/screenwriter. For the most part the actors are established though early in their career and the author is established. Though I do agree and have critiques of that industry and how it dominated by het women thats not the critique I was making, I havent read the book so my criticism can only be about the show.
I am all here for problematic characters and shows, I even said in my original comment that i loved My Engineer a show filled with problematic characters. Hell I even liked Gen Y and that was its own type of hot mess. I am a big supporter of enjoying problematic content, I think they make really interesting and sometimes fun stories.

I fear I worded my original comment badly because my main critique isn't Mork. Mork is more of a symptom of a bigger issue. It was Mork, it was the shippers, the Sikh 'joke' and a plethora of other little things that made me think the director came at this from a place of bad faith.

If you don't agree, thats fine. We arent all going to like the same thing. And if you do enjoy the show and I am genuinely glad because I did really want to enjoy it. I was looking forward to it since the trailer and even if it doen't vibe with me I am glad it is with other people.
I respect and am thankful you shared with me your opinions with me because I do think its good to see other sides.

I believe that at the end of the first season the original author decided they didn't like the actors from season 1 and demanded a recast. It was horribly mismanaged with the original cast (who were vocal about wanting to do a 2nd season) not being given a heads up and they found out at the same time as fans. Motive village even said it was because 1 of the actors wasn't accepting BL contracts which was a lie and he was vocal about wanting to continue with the series. MV then said the original cast wanted too much money and their management had to come out and say no conversation about money had happened because MV was refusing to offer a contract at all so this was also a lie.
For the second season Motive village became the sole copyright holders and are terrible. The 2nd season cast were all under MV except 1. From the fan side they began noticing Wayo's actor was being excluded from promotions and projects and wasn't getting other jobs. A few other things happened showing MVs mismanagement. Then allegations began coming out against MV including one of the management coming on to one of the actors and then 'blacklisting' him when he was turned down, playing favourites, one of the underage actors being made to drink alcohol and one of the ones speaking out being made 'inactive'.
(heres a link to a thread about it https://twitter.com/c0ohearteu/status/1313462511069466626 )

At this point all main cast members of season 2 have also pulled out of season 3 so if that does go ahead it will be with another new cast.

First of all I want to thank you for the comment, though its not how I saw it it was interesting to see how someone else interpreted it.

For me Pi having feeling for him is a non issue, he does, I agree with that. However, you can like someone without wanting to be with that person. Rather than guessing someone else's feeling and behaving based on that assumption I believe it is better to listen to what they are actually telling you. There were incidents where Pi felt uncomfortable, set a boundary and Mork pushed that boundary, for example the situation with the fans/shippers. Mork keeps telling Pi how Pi feels rather than listening to what Pi is actually saying.
I do want to be clear I never said Mork was forcing him, I said his actions aren't the way to show care. You can care for someone, and do actions to take care of someone and still do it wrong. I also think this pining trope can be done well, for example for me BBomb from Nitiman and Mork at their core are similar characters in a similar situation but Bbomb shows a hella lot more respect for Jin's own agency.

There is a possibility that as a queer woman who is a little older than the average fan I imagine, that I am coming at this from the perspective of someone who spent much of their youth where the only representation were based on this 'gay people are predatory' stereotype. So when I do see what I interpret as falling back on that stereotype I am a bit more sensitive to it. If you don't see that stereotype that's fantastic and I support whatever interpretation you have.

Regardless of how we define Mork's behaviour, its seems to me from the last section of your comment that we can both agree the director/ screenwriter didn't do a good job at fleshing Mork out. As I said, my main critique was the director/screenwriter rather than the actual characters as I felt this story was one that I could have enjoyed if it was told by someone I felt wanted to tell this type of story.
I hope my critiques make sense but I thank you again for your comment and I am so glad you are enjoying the show because i did genuinely want to like the show and even if in the end I couldn't I'm glad others are because I think the actors are good and I am glad they are being supported.

I keep trying to give this show the benefit of the doubt but it keeps disappointing me. Between the offensive 'joke' toward Sikhs early on to the absolute creepiness of Mork in later episodes I figured out why I dont vibe with it.
For all intents and purposes I should love this show, its the same sort of crack cheese weirdness of my engineer and I loved my engineer. But I think the difference is FUTS feels mean. It doesn't feel like fun and being in on the joke.
It feels like the director/screenwriter didn't want to make a gay romance but was forced into it. Which results in us getting this. As someone who is LGBTIA+ I wanted a fun romance I didn't have to take seriously instead I got the outdated ' gay people are predatory' stereotype but make it seem romantic. Mork's actions were pushing boundaries, manipulating, and a basic disregard for Pi's right to make decisions regarding himself (he also doesn't seem to have a personality outside of trying to get with Pi). Its like i'm watching what the writer felt gay people are like based on stereotypes and trying to cover it up with the most unsubtle humour possible. A magician pulling a trick in the corner whilst the beautiful assistant distracts.

I get not everyone will agree with me, that's okay and if you are enjoying it I am so, so glad because it is much better to enjoy something than not and I really did want to enjoy it as well. But for me it doesn't feel like the show was made by someone who wanted to tell this type of story. This is like someone who isn't in on the joke but is making jokes at us and it just makes me kinda sad.

Yeah, lets just say the comment section in march/ april was an experience. A lot of having to explain why he needed to take responsibility

In March of this year a person who went to school with him came out to say That Ji soo committed school violence against him. Following that more people from the school came forward to say their experiences. It included physical beatings, blackmail, extortion of money, humiliation and verbal abuse. He even brought a BB gun into school and would shoot people with it. Some of the victims said they tried to tell teachers to intervene but they were told to transfer schools instead of dealing with the issue. It wasn't simply kids picking on kids but systematic assaults and abuses that traumatised. One person came forward alleging Ji soo sexually assaulted someone, then later recanted the story and this one is believed to be false.
Further there were reports of him being disrespectful on set which suggested he hadn't changed that much
Ji soo admitted to the violence but denied the sexual assault in his statement.
His supporters are saying it happened when he was young and some took to harassing the people who came forward.

I hope you don't mind me adding my opinion, but I agree that he was young but I don't think youth is an excuse for assault and the victims had no way of knowing if he had continued his behaviour. I don't believe this should be held over his head forever nor do I think he should be blacklisted from acting. However I do think he needed to take responsibility and make amends with his victims and that comes with consequences for the time being.

I left a comment when this first came out but i feel like it should be reiterated.
You can like his acting, no one cares.
But dont discredit victims to make yourself feel better for liking his acting.
It was a long time ago but those victims who came forward had no way of knowing if his behaviour had changed because all thats happened is he gained more power in money, reputation and social power to cover up if he was still like this. That change can only happen after taking responsibility.
The victims came out and dealt with all these poeple discrediting them and being cruel. Re-traumatizing them in the name of the man who hurt them in the first place. We should be thankful they were brave enough to come forward so a call for change can be made in schools to stop this happening, so we as viewers can be informed about who we support and so Ji Soo could take accountability and actually show he changed to the people who actually needed that.
For the people saying he was young, yeah he was. But since when was youth an excuse for cruelty? and please look at this and ask yourself why are you saying he was too young to be held responsible but not that the vicitms were so young to have gone though that?
Support his acting if you want but dont do it by tearing down the victims.
Lets not places actors on an alter above reproach. Dehumanising them down to characters who are incapable of being less than perfect. Its unhealthy for them and you.

@SalaVancer It seems to be my post the specific person first responded to so I did want to apologise if anything I said was too unreasonable to have started this. I know you didn't want arguments so I'm sorry that my post seemed to have incited that. I hope the notifications haven't bothered you too much

Their last line was about how some Indian individuals won't find an issue with it because of cultural and religious difference. They are just asking for some understanding why they found it an issue as someone from the group involved. What you want to read into that is up to you but I ask you don't try to weaponize that. You're belief that every Sikh has to agree is an impossible standard and you know it. You would never ask every white person to agree something is wrong to acknowledge that it is.

I also never said the company would respond, I said I would like it if they did but i'm not hopeful. And if thats the response you wanted from them then I'm glad you've found a director/company you can stand behind.

Look, lets be honest, i'm not going to persuade you that there was an issue and you aren't going to persuade me that the scene wasn't offensive. We are just going to disagree. If we continue this conversation its just going to get nasty as you continue arguing about the words im using rather than what im actually saying and i'm just going to lash out and retaliate.

I think its better if we just end this here. I've said my point, you've said yours. The original commenter doesn't want this to become a fight so this will be my last response. I hope you have a nice day.

Did you read the comment? they literally said how they felt and then acknowledged that not every Indian person would agree. You seem to be arguing with the things you make up and decide other people have said.

I dont mean to offend but you seem to be on the defensive. No one has suggested in the comments that I've read to censor, they said acknowledge it and do better with future productions. You can like the show and still find it has faults, its okay to like problematic things but lets not pretend its beyond criticisms.

If you are liking the show im glad, but I hope you won't continue to try and discredit Sikh individuals who found some aspect of it problematic in order to defend the thing you like.

I think it was distasteful and it should be addressed, and I think the directors response to being told it offended some people leaves a lot to be desire.
I try to be reasonable so I think if they acknowledged that they messed up, took this as a learning experience and just tried to be better with being more aware in the future then it would have been a moment of bad taste but one they could improve from.
We didn't get that, and in fact arguably we got a director unintentionally fanning the flames an d adding fuel to the arguments amongst fan.
I dont expect or want shows to be cancelled or to discourage people from watching when things like this happen, I don't think you can do better if we don't give people the chance to, so im not here for cancel culture. But at this point with the directors response and gmmtv's silence Im also not hopeful about them having learned anything.
As sad as it is to say I think the cultural appropriation is not surprising and I think we are going to keep seeing it in future productions
Sorry for the long response, I had a lot of thoughts

like i'm British, for me to be blind to the atrocities my people committed would both be ridiculously privileged and actively upholding a cruel system built on those monstrous acts. So the idea that people in the comments are down playing that cruelty and using it to try and underhandedly 'win' an argument on the internet both angers me and truly scares me.
I expect this shit from 4chan. I agree its just like wow

???? Dude, read a history book. Take into account context. You are spreading misinformation about your own views of marginalisation, oppression and colourism.
I can't speak on the experience of Sikh individuals in Thailand but I can say there are define issues within European countries and to say otherwise is naïve or ignorant.

Also Britain colonised India so there is a history there that isn't them 'demonising' British people, its them making fun of the stereotype of a villain that did actual evil in their country. To compare that depiction in this argument is either a shocking washing of history with bad intent or is ignorance. If it is ignorance I suggest you educate yourself on the matter before you use this argument.
If you want to support the show, please do but please don't do it by spreading misinformation like this. Thank you