I think itās fine to have series that portray characters realistically and fine to have those that donāt. At the end of the day, different series are intended for different audiences. Pursuit of Jade is primarily a ROMANCE drama with a historical setting. Are we really going to pretend we donāt know which audience it is for and what most of such an audience would prefer to see?
One of my favourite movies is Mulan starring Vicki Zhao and Chen Kun which I feel shows the characters to be quite rough. It definitely works well for that movie.
I am also excited to watch two of Liu Xueyiās dramas; in one, he is playing a historical figure and it seems like the production will have him look more true to history. I imagine it will be quite a serious drama. In the other, I can already see that he will be wearing more makeup.
What about the fact that most actors are ridiculously attractive? Where are the complaints that it isnāt ārealisticā for every single person in a single scene to be above average? LOL
All that to say, again, different dramas have different genres have different aesthetics based on the demographic being targeted.
This is more applied in Korean context in China It only applies in certain cases, but heās had many controversial…
Fair enough, I understand where youāre coming from :) I just think ANY association to Kris Wu would be incredibly unfair for most people though, haha!
With artists, at least for me, thereās an extent to which I can āignoreā their real life to enjoy their art but there are limits. The things ZLH has said (there are two things, a comment about SEA appearances and a comment towards a woman asking if she understood Interstellar) sees me in the āhopefully his worldview changes and he wisens up a littleā category.
That being said, the person you responded to is wrong when they say ZLH would have been cancelled in Korea or the US. When it comes to misogyny and racism, Korean media doesnāt tend to take it very seriously). And even worse, the US still platforms people who do things like Kris Wu has done š¤®
can anyone tell me, why is this rated so low? i havenāt started watching but iām trying to work out whether i will. i canāt imagine itās the actingā¦ is it the story?
my feeling so far is that the acting could be a lot better BUT i am aware that this is the first role for both…
iām excited to see them keep approving. they look like very sweet actors behind the scenes so itās unfortunate that some commenters (on their lives, etc.) are being a bit cruel.
also how Liang Bei Yiās hair is cut and styled in this show does not do him justice! the way he usually wears his hair is very cute and suits him a lot better!
The actor playing Ouyang Han literally having the prettiest face card out of the whole cast and they tryna tell…
how is it unrealistic? you act as if there arenāt beautiful people who are rejected, haha. also we understand why the person Ouyang Han likes, likes the other character instead (heās not unattractive by any means but there are other merits that clearly drew him in)
e. not using the names has made it a little confusing but iām trying to avoid more spoilers no matter how minor haha!
my feeling so far is that the acting could be a lot better BUT i am aware that this is the first role for both leads so i think thatās fair. that aside, the whole vibe of this is exactly what i look for in a modern chinese drama about youth. i find Chinese media really has such a specific atmosphere when it comes to what youth looks and feels like, and this drama nails it. iām really enjoying it :)
You're giving examples of incredibly good, often awarded movies directed and acted by widely respected and renowned…
āYou defend a director without a Wikipedia pageā followed by āYou equate marketing metrics with artistic craftā is pretty ironic.
āThe industry regulator itself just held a symposium calling out exactly these problems: 'appearance worship,' 'traffic-driven popularity,' and the need to prioritize acting skill over face cardsā? - China also heavily regulates inclusion of reincarnation, time travel, supernatural events, distortion of history, etc. in media. That is to say, the industry regulator itself is known for its chokehold on what āartā is permissible. THAT is losing something. What youāre talking aboutā¦ If people wanted to watch MORE of what youāre talking about, there would be more. It hasnāt been lost; itās still there. If the industry regulator wants MORE of it, there are ways to encourage thatābut it isnāt by talking down on or blacklisting others genres, themes and tropes. It isnāt by blacklisting actors or rejecting certain appearances. Again, THOSE are REAL examples of something being ālostā (or more accurately ātakenā).
These actors whether martial artists or not share one thing: craft over glamour, discipline over traffic rankings. - There is still media that prioritises ācraft over glamourā. And there is a wealth of media that doesnāt need to āprioritiseā because it offers both in abundance. As for discipline over traffic rankingsā¦ Itās too ideal. Youāre thinking in a vacuum. In this day and age, when everything moves so fast and everything is so expensive, who has the luxury to put aside thinking of traffic rankings? But again, that doesnāt mean the craft isnāt focused on (that being said, of course sometimes it isnāt the focusābut youāve brought up SURVIVING EXAMPLES from back when. There were plenty of bad actors, plenty of stupid series, etc. back then too!!!)
It's not about wearing makeup itself,but about a generals in the dramas paying attention to their look on a battlefield.its…
Okay but most girls donāt wear makeup when they sleep. And most men donāt wear makeup at all.
Most generals donāt wear makeup? Iām not sure how many generals in reality film under harsh light but Iām going to guessānone.
At the end of the day, different genres are made to appeal to different audiences. Most people watching something like Pursuit of Jade arenāt watching primarily for action scenes but for romance. There are absolutely shows out there that focus on the action of wars and fighting that use LIMITED (not NO but LIMITED) makeup. You can find those. It doesnāt mean everything needs to be like that. After all, in so many series the least realistic thing is hardly that the characters are all wearing makeup LOL so for that to be where the line is drawn is really too funny
The most basic requirement is that "what is portrayed should be true to what it is [realistic]." - I disagree; there are numerous genres and there are numerous audiences; sometimes things should be realistic, sometimes the whole point is that things are NOT realistic. It would be like saying all paintings need to be painted in a hyperrealistic style. Why? What would the purpose be?
Film is art, at the end of the day, and to limit art in such a broad way is truly to miss the entire point of art.
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One of my favourite movies is Mulan starring Vicki Zhao and Chen Kun which I feel shows the characters to be quite rough. It definitely works well for that movie.
I am also excited to watch two of Liu Xueyiās dramas; in one, he is playing a historical figure and it seems like the production will have him look more true to history. I imagine it will be quite a serious drama. In the other, I can already see that he will be wearing more makeup.
What about the fact that most actors are ridiculously attractive? Where are the complaints that it isnāt ārealisticā for every single person in a single scene to be above average? LOL
All that to say, again, different dramas have different genres have different aesthetics based on the demographic being targeted.
Also the mirror locker sceneā¦ I feel like Sun Cai Zhen acted that out very well!
With artists, at least for me, thereās an extent to which I can āignoreā their real life to enjoy their art but there are limits. The things ZLH has said (there are two things, a comment about SEA appearances and a comment towards a woman asking if she understood Interstellar) sees me in the āhopefully his worldview changes and he wisens up a littleā category.
That being said, the person you responded to is wrong when they say ZLH would have been cancelled in Korea or the US. When it comes to misogyny and racism, Korean media doesnāt tend to take it very seriously). And even worse, the US still platforms people who do things like Kris Wu has done š¤®
also how Liang Bei Yiās hair is cut and styled in this show does not do him justice! the way he usually wears his hair is very cute and suits him a lot better!
e. not using the names has made it a little confusing but iām trying to avoid more spoilers no matter how minor haha!
āThe industry regulator itself just held a symposium calling out exactly these problems: 'appearance worship,' 'traffic-driven popularity,' and the need to prioritize acting skill over face cardsā?
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China also heavily regulates inclusion of reincarnation, time travel, supernatural events, distortion of history, etc. in media. That is to say, the industry regulator itself is known for its chokehold on what āartā is permissible. THAT is losing something. What youāre talking aboutā¦ If people wanted to watch MORE of what youāre talking about, there would be more. It hasnāt been lost; itās still there. If the industry regulator wants MORE of it, there are ways to encourage thatābut it isnāt by talking down on or blacklisting others genres, themes and tropes. It isnāt by blacklisting actors or rejecting certain appearances. Again, THOSE are REAL examples of something being ālostā (or more accurately ātakenā).
These actors whether martial artists or not share one thing: craft over glamour, discipline over traffic rankings.
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There is still media that prioritises ācraft over glamourā. And there is a wealth of media that doesnāt need to āprioritiseā because it offers both in abundance.
As for discipline over traffic rankingsā¦ Itās too ideal. Youāre thinking in a vacuum. In this day and age, when everything moves so fast and everything is so expensive, who has the luxury to put aside thinking of traffic rankings? But again, that doesnāt mean the craft isnāt focused on (that being said, of course sometimes it isnāt the focusābut youāve brought up SURVIVING EXAMPLES from back when. There were plenty of bad actors, plenty of stupid series, etc. back then too!!!)
Most generals donāt wear makeup? Iām not sure how many generals in reality film under harsh light but Iām going to guessānone.
At the end of the day, different genres are made to appeal to different audiences. Most people watching something like Pursuit of Jade arenāt watching primarily for action scenes but for romance. There are absolutely shows out there that focus on the action of wars and fighting that use LIMITED (not NO but LIMITED) makeup. You can find those. It doesnāt mean everything needs to be like that. After all, in so many series the least realistic thing is hardly that the characters are all wearing makeup LOL so for that to be where the line is drawn is really too funny
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I disagree; there are numerous genres and there are numerous audiences; sometimes things should be realistic, sometimes the whole point is that things are NOT realistic. It would be like saying all paintings need to be painted in a hyperrealistic style. Why? What would the purpose be?
Film is art, at the end of the day, and to limit art in such a broad way is truly to miss the entire point of art.