My Stubborn

Hot and steamy I was locked in

This scream manipulation in a good way and I'm not ashamed to say so! (I was locked it for it from start to finish).

Now let's get down into the get down. Hia Sorn from the beginning is a Dom that was willful and confident even when he was at his worst. The back story as to why he disliked younger adults than himself was quite understandable and the fact that they did not prolonged any interaction with the ex that caused him trauma to executed well.

Nong Jun's curiosity led him to discover his true preference and that his true match was Hia Sorn no matter how much he tried to get him out of his head. Nong Jun was naturally funny yet timid at times I wouldn't say he was naive , he was just giving in to what he actually wanted and that was Sorn. *scream*

The love scenes were done meticulously, I was biting my lips, finger and pillow, that's all I can say haha .

The side stores were also well done and I appreciated them.

Exceptional!
These creators and director should try to dibble in a BL "Fifty Shades of Nong, P, Hia" whatever you want I'm here for it.

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A good story told by a 13 years old

There were so many good ideas in this, but no matter how good they are, sticking them together randomly with c*m and glue is not enough to make a good drama. Not insulting 13 years olds here, but this is how a lot of young, rookie writers make stories: A nice idea and a strong message followed by a messy storyline, too many characters, messy characterization, 'tell don't show', plotholes, etc... So yeah, I feel like this is what 50 shades of gray would have looked like if the director didn't know how to properly do their job.... cuz the director of this drama definitely had no clue.

There goes a few points that made me feel this way:
-Everyone's characterization and character management in general. Too many people and most of them were absolutely useless. Tried to go somewhere with that guy who cheated on his girlfriend but it had no impact on the scenario at all. Tai had absolutely no reason to back off from champ unlike Sorn who really had some internal conflict about Jun. Penny was there just to make Jun jealous half a minute and then she was off with June, but that couple was so random and unimportant that they didn't even appear in the last episode. Jun was depicted as annoying and stubborn in the pilot and summaries, but we never saw him once bother anyone in the show and all he ever did was stand up for himself. The only person's who's characterization made sense and stayed stable til the end was Sorn, and he was unsufferable.

-Poor rythm. So many useless scenes that have no impact on anyone. Most of them super long. I never skip scenes in drama no matter how uninterested I am, but I watched half of this show in x2

-Basic environnement. The only times the place they are at and the things they are doing matter are during NCs. Otherwise, they could be acting on a green screen that it would be the same. Nothing matters except from the drama between Sorn and June, which makes anything else than them even more uninteresting. Wouldn't be an issue if the director didn't waste time on everything else all the time.
I think I could summ up those 3 points with: In a movie or a show, everything should have a purpose. Not necessarly a meaning, but a reason to be there, otherwise nothing matters at all and it gets boring, and that's what happened in My Stubborn. Adding to that stupid details like Sorn's ridiculous beard that was way too out of place just to be a joke or Penny's flawless make up when she wakes up with a cold and there we are just rolling our eyes all the time.

-Sorn and Jun's relationship. Look, I don't hate toxic characters or relationships as long as the author treats them as such. Here, we almost had a really good redemption arc for Sorn. I really loved the scene where Jun breaks down and yells at Sorn for being a selfish coward, especially when he mentionned that it was alway Sorn who initiated intimacy. I had good hopes for how they would treat the relationship after that, but alas, everything was thrown away pretty quickly.
The problem here is that the author treated the redemption arc like the reason Sorn was toxic was because he leaded Jun on and wouldn't admit his feelings. So, for that issue, he did go through redemption and succeeded in fixing it.
But no, Sorn wasn't toxic because he was a coward. He was toxic because he constantly forced/manipulated Jun into doing what he wanted, because he would never take no for an answer, because he was super agressive when things didn't go his way, because he victimized himself and blamed everyone when he was frustrated, because all he ever had to say was "But I want..." "But I feel like..." and even when he decided to hear Jun's feelings out for the first time all he had to say was how he felt about it. The redemption arc never or very briefly adressed all of that, which reminded me of My Stand In when the whole time Joe blames Ming because he dated him only cuz his back reminded him of someone else, but as soon as this issue is fixed we ignore the whole kidnapping, manipulation, power imbalance, selfishness aspects that make Ming a red flag.
To me, even towards the end when Sorn acts softer, there is one big thing missing that doesn't make me believe in this relationship: Jun's initiative.
He may want to be intimate with Sorn. He may say yes a few times. He may flirt a bit. But in every. single. kissing scene and NC, he either agrees to it after being pressured, shrink away, ask straight up Sorn to stop/ slow down or hit him, and most importantly, he never initiated anything. Even in the last one in the staircases. Basically, their whole intimacy agenda is Sorn agressively eating him up while Jun tries to keep up with the situation. They are never on the same level and it's very frustrating, ESCPECIALLY after seeing Boat and Oat's performance at the last EP party, and the only difference between that "NC" and all the NC's in the show are 1. They take it slower. 2. Oat's body language, yet it felt way more natural, sexy, tensed and most important of all, consented.

To bring up a few positive points: Their acting was on point, especially boat who absolutely killed it. I really liked Tai's character and I wish he had gotten a more impactful relationship with Champ. The lightning in the NCs was always very pretty and although not perfect, Jun and Sorn's were well choreographed. And although they didn't really go anywhere with that, I was really glad Jun stood up for himself and mentionned the whole dubious consent stuff.

Anyway I think if you want to enjoy this serie it's better to switch your brain off and just enjoy the NC scenes and the Cast's awesome chemistry.

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Stubborn Or Stupid?

I knew nothing of this show going in. I just knew a friend of mine was watching it and I wanted to ultimately see what people were talking about. So I can say with certainty the novel sounds far better than whatever this was. The entire concept of friends with benefits isn’t new, the “being a teacher” towards someone younger who isn’t as experienced sexually as you…new but huh? These 2 definitely weren’t even friends for this entire show and even by the end I don’t think they really should’ve been endgame with the amount of crap Sorn pulled. Even Boat the actor doesn’t like Sorn’s character which says a lot! I also found Jun’s character incredibly annoying for most of this show and the chemistry just wasn’t really there between the 2. There’s more chemistry between the actors when outside of the show! The side couples also apparently don’t exist in the novel, which I can understand with how random they felt placed into this plot. I just didn’t see much in this show worth really watching, including the spice which often felt awkward.

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Easy to watch? Or maybe too hard to finish...

It was intriguing at first but what it became...
What drew me in was the plot and trailer. Safe to say probably many people discovered this drama that way. This drama is for people who don't want to get deep into anything, just to pass the time or you just simply don't know what to watch.

The plot is anywhere everywhere and nowhere. We have a bunch of nc scenes, an episode cannot pass by without one. I have seen quite a bit and different type of nc scenes, but here they made me as uncomfortable as Jun looked in them. I started feeling bad for Jun. Literally when Jun screamed out for Sorn that he never wanted to do anything, it was always Sorn wanting. I could not look the same way at their scenes where they are close, even just hugging. AND SORN NOT RESPECTING JUN AT ALL!!! Like HELLO!!!! Boy states his boundaries and Sorn just brakes them cause he is selfish and he wants Jun. Sorn says how he want things to work out between them and next time he gets close to Jun disrespects him by breaking boundaries.
This drama is next level at sexualising toxic relationship . Poor Jun always flinches and deflates when Sorn touches him. Personally it seems like Jun is being abused rather than in love. I am not entirely sure is this how Jun's character is supposed to be feeling and acting. But boy does not look like he consents to anything, just gives into it.

About the side couples, well Champ and Thai are quite stiff in their scenes. I would rather have more Penny and June scenes together, cause they are adorable and looks like a couple who actually are in love. And now we have problems with Champ and Thai when we have only one ep left. Seriously just wanting to shake the characters through the screen :D
Like please just say how ya'll are actually feeling about each other TT

As a person who loves insane chemistry, i felt that through all 11 episodes i have seen, the chemistry was quite non existent. Might be a few scenes where it was ok. ALL WE NEED IS FOR JUN TO SHOW CLEAR CONSENT OR INITIATE AT LEAST SOMETHING. That would fix the show at least a tiny teeny bit.

So I am waiting for the last episode, but i don't think that the last episode is going to fix everything that is going on. Since i came this far, i won't drop it. Wouldn't be so surprised of people actually dropping these series. I haven't read the book, so this review is based only of what i have seen in the series

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This is one of those shows that's tough to rate. It wasn’t one of the best, but it wasn’t that bad either. The plot was pretty weak and overcrowded with characters who didn’t really add much. I thought Thai and Champ’s relationship would balance out Sorn and Jun’s, but it turned out just as messy.

What really made me give it a 10 were the actors playing Sorn, Jun, and Thanu. They totally carried the series. They brought humor, emotion, and realism, and kept me coming back each week just to see how far Sorn would go to avoid admitting he's been in love with Jun all along.

Sorn isn’t perfect, and he never pretended to be. He’s a walking red flag, possessive and immature, but you only truly grasp how vulnerable he is when Jun finally stands his ground and walks away. And Jun isn’t as innocent as he looks either.

Boat and Oat have insane chemistry and did an amazing job making their characters believable. The actor playing Thanu also stole every scene he was in. Maybe it was the weak plot, but even with solid acting, the chemistry between Yoon and Punpun and between Michelle and Poy just didn’t hit the mark.

It’s not a perfect series, and it won’t be for everyone, but I had fun with it.

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romanticizing manipulation

there were so many meaningless nsfw scenes that you could tell were filmed separately and randomly placed in between scenes. sorn's utter toxicity and manipulation was almost too much to handle. he constantly was made out to look like a "hero" in jun's life but in reality he always just forced jun into physical interactions that nobody asked for!!! the main leads had absolutely no chemistry, they never shared a moment of intimacy beyond sex until AFTER they started dating.. and even then it was crumbs. whenever the audience thought we were getting a cute moment they just started making out. jun is way too immature to be dating sorn, their relationship was built off the fact that sorn manipulated him into being friends with and even when jun acknowledges that he proceeds to.... confess his feelings??? sorn constantly says jun was "too young" when excusing his feelings for him and said he has trauma from his ex being too young but....... how young was she if sorn almost went to jail for it....... but anywho.. there were SO many scenes where jun verbally says "no" to sorn's advantages and yet sorn uses force to pin jun down. also DOES JUN HATE HIS OWN BOYFRIEND?!?!? there is never a moment where he doesn't look uncomfortable with sorn.

as for the side couple.. i honestly thought they were boring at first. but i'd take a boring consensual couple over the main leads ANY DAY. they honestly grew on me, i liked how they actually had development and we could ACTUALLY see they liked each other... i loved Thai's character because he always said exactly what i was thinking. he was the only character to call out sorn's utter manipulation.

also what was the point of the lesbian side couple? it's like they were an after thought. they tried giving them lore but never elaborated on it. i think it would've been better if they were a couple since episode one and just kept it a secret from the work space while everyone thinks they dislike each other. there was no need for Penny to be friends with benefits with sorn and there was no reason for the writers to tell us they were "ex lovers" and not give us the backstory. there were just so many gaps and not even just with the lesbians but with the main and side couples as well.

i cannot stress enough how bad this show pmo, there are so many things i didn't even mention. watch if you only care about NC scenes i suppose lmao

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I don't understand, how can someone enjoy a scenario where a man bullies another man, tells him what to do, where to go, who to hang out with... and all of that to be rated higher than 4? Are you that much of a masochist, do you like your partner to beat you or are you a fan of this kind of behavior??? Any of that, you should see a psychiatrist or psychologist, because it's not normal behavior. Like on a see-saw, this SOrn wants to get fucked, but it doesn't come inside him. It's impossible. If someone plays with someone's brain for 9 episodes and finds stupid excuses, then the screenwriter, who should you draw attention to? If there was only one more episode, of course I would have stopped, because I expected Sorn to change his behavior, like this....waste of time.

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What Is Love...Baby Don't Hurt Me!!!

This a semi-slowburn drama, a lot of reviews pass this off because of the NC scenes and the feeling that there isn't much of a story, and for those reviewers I'll say, they've simply never experienced complicated love. All relationships aren't black and white, there's some nuance involved and Sorn x Juin, Penny x June, and Tai x Champ clearly embody those grey areas.

Sorn has deep seated trust issues, however he can't help who he likes, his inner conflict is from a traumatic situation that could've altered his life, still somehow plagues his ability to have a complete and whole relationship, whether with a man or woman. While passion definitely isn't an issue between Sorn x Juin, what is, is the presentation of emotions that weren't supposed to develop beyond casual sex, but the writers show that even the most clearly discussed terms of a situationship can and do take bring about different feelings. While Juin is youthful and sometimes child-like, he is mature enough to know his feelings about Sorn...feelings they both had for each other since they 1st came into each other's life.

Penny x June have crossed the river in their situation and seem to be moving in a good direction, and while there were initial misgivings between the both, it's clear this couple won't have any issues after they've laid all their cards on the table. I like that unlike the men in this series, the women know what and who they want and they state it clearly without any vagueness.

Tai x Champ, now that's anyone's guess but I hope the next few episodes 9-10 will show just what these two mean to each other. Because it's like their dating but at the same time, it's like they don't dare define it...it's like they are unspokenly each other's boyfriend without either putting a clear label on it. So for the sake of the viewers you'll just want them both to verbalize it to each other.

The soundtrack is decent, I don't care for the main song but the others when there is music is decent. The casting is nice, each pairing go well together visually and the acting is decent. With a bit more coaching and work under their belt, I'm sure those cast for this series will iron out any dryness. MFlow like many production and management house, have to continue to do the work of finding good quality stories and hiring directors that know how to instruct and execute the script in a way that makes viewers satisfied from episode 1 until the conclusion.

Overall, it's a decent drama, it's not Earth shattering, so if you're expecting that then your standards are way too high but decent acting, story, and intimacy you won't regret watching (but if you do, that's okay...every drama isn't for everyone).

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Juicy, Sexy and Delicious

Ok, just based on the pilot, I knew I would like My Stubborn. Look, this show does not promise anything that it is not. There's no avant-garde plot here. Its a simple character driven narrative of two men who meet, become friends with benefits and then feelings get involved. Its delicious.

First, major props to Boat and Oat. They acted their butts off in this show. Physical intimacy is difficult to pull off, without appearing fake or cheesy. And these two did it so well in My Stubborn. With each progressive NC scene, we see how Jun and P'Sorn are catching feelings for each other. In each scene, Boat and Oat show off their incredible chemistry— there are sparks between Jun and P'Sorn, whether they are getting off in a toilet cubicle or working together in their office on product exports. Jun is such a likeable character, he is sassy, stubborn and a loudmouth— a typical college student who can be selfish and myopic at times. P'Sorn, with all his underlying toxicity, is a such a hottie. He likes and cares for Jun in his own way, and he just needs to get his head out of his ass. Boat, especially, is a stunner, and is just serving face cards in every episode. (Side note: calling him P'Payu junior or P'Payu knock-off is insulting and you need to stop).

I also like that My Stubborn does not try to reinvent the wheel. This show tells the story of two characters and their relationship and how it goes from a P-Nong relationship, to FWB, to boyfriends who are hopelessly in love. I saw several people dragging this show as soft-core or no-plot-only-NC and I must say, those people are either major prudes or did not see the same show I did. Just because a show is more character focused, does not mean it does not have a plot. If this kind of mature show is not for you, thats totally fine. No need to spoil the fun for the rest of us.

As for me, I cannot wait to see Boat x Oat in another spicy show. I hope they get a good opportunity their way very soon.

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Standout Newcomers

Cast: Punn and Boat, neither of whom I’ve seen before, stood out and are both gorgeous. The BoatOat chemistry was pretty spectacular. I’m not a fan of Yoon, but he was good in this.

Direction: I wasn’t impressed by a few directorial choices. The sex scenes between the main couple in particular were more like a director rendering their fantasies, than likely love-making or plot-driving tools to convey anything meaningful. The more in love the leads got, the rougher and more bestial the love scenes got. They went from tender and loving, to pure lust, which seemed like a reverse gradient in a love story. The consent dynamics were not great. The classic sunset/sunrise mechanic was used to great effect repeatedly, but as a result jumps in time longer than 12 hours were jarring and unexpected.

Writing: The story was fine, but depended too much on lousy communication tropes for my liking. The characters themselves were consistent to themselves, and had arcs, though nothing deep or even remotely sophisticated. The humour was grounded, and gave me a few laughs. I got attached to and invested in the two main leads, who were both flawed but lovable, but the rest of the characters were very uneven, as was their utility in the story.

Production design: Not fabulous, but I think that was more limited by budget than design chops. I suspect a lot was made from very little. Exterior locations rocked.

I enjoyed the drama and the main characters, but it felt cheap, and I think the direction was bad. If nothing else, it’s a string of stimulating sex scenes, but if you can engage with the main characters you’ll get more out of it. I’m looking forward to more of “Champ”, and of the BoatOat CP in future shows.

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Irritating as fuck

I saw so many bad reviews then i avoided this series but i saw one review about this series that this series is good coz it focus on the relationship sorn and jun, then i was like okay then i will click, first 3 episodes i did enjoyed then i started to get annoyed of sorn, mf obsessed with sex and just want to sleep with jun and jun is playing so naive that he do anything as long as sorn says. Jun can't even talk with someone sorn started scold. Wtf is that? What about jun social life? Doubting on everyone? Seriously if i was jun i would have kick in his balls. Sorn will sleep anyone but jun can't even talk with his colleague? Who the fuck is writer of this series? I don't mind NC scene as long as story is fucking good. If we see game of thrones nobody can beat this series on nudity and sex but story if this series top tier. Literally i am on ep 8 and he is have allergies on body and sorn wants to have sex instead of taking to hospital. Wtf is that? Oh god. Sorn is irritating and annoying and biggest hypocrite. I just wanna punch sorn first then i wanna punch jun as well for not being hard, not resisting whatever sorn try to do. That is relationship development? He just wants to fuck jun and viewer are saying that they r focusing on the story development of led character. Seriously, producer producing anything, actor acting on anything without reading script. Ufff there is no words to say about my hatred towards actor, writer, producers. Just u have NC scene that doesn't make good series.

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