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I'm ridiculously excited for Be My Angel! I need it to be good! The pilot and trailer were friggin'  adorable

 MarkWasHere:
That's BamBam, a non-binary actor

Who confirmed this? Was it BamBam herself? The MDL profile does say that but who knows what the proof submitted was. Besides, check the comments on her page. Some people are not convinced.

Anyway, I'm glad there's finally a short hair woman in a Thai GL that is also a lead. I know we had at least one kinda masculine woman in a GL before but she wasn't playing main character.

We should support this series somehow, so they make more like these. Well, granted it all goes well and the plot's good and everything. :)

 Ryn:

I'm ridiculously excited for Be My Angel! I need it to be good! The pilot and trailer were friggin'  adorable

It does look good, I'm looking forward to this. Despite having so many titles to watch this year, I'll give this priority when it does finish airing. I can't watch as it airs because I don't have the patience to wait for next episodes.

Found an interview with Bambam on their gender identity: https://praew.com/people/interview/476513.html

In short, Bambam's gender identity is undefined, unknown, but definitely complicated. They say if they had to pick between the two binary options, the answer would be 'woman', but if they had more options to choose from, the answer would be 'it's complicated'.


To be honest guys I'm a little bit weirded out by people going 'oh we have no exact source? Well then someone must have lied about it and called a masc woman something she's not'. Why would that be happening? Who are we accusing of such nefarious schemes, and what would their motivation to do so be? If a lot of articles refer to someone as nonbinary, but you don't have an exact source for where the person in question said so, why immediately default to that strange narrative, and default to 'she/her/woman' language? Maybe it's better to just default to 'well I guess we don't know' instead.

Thai pronouns work very differently from English ones. Almost no third person pronouns (like 'she' or 'him') are exclusive to any gender. So no I would not necessarily expect a Thai trans celebrity to have pronouns in their instagram bio. Not having them is not proof of them being cisgender.



I Google Translated the whole article linked above in case you want the exact details:

Turning Point 

“As a child, I thought like everyone else, only knowing there were male and female genders. Perhaps it was because my family raised me closely; I had to go home immediately after school, so I didn't see much of society. I grew up with three sisters, so I was essentially a girl my whole life. “Then came a turning point in high school. There were thousands of students in the school, and I saw diverse gender identities. The event that made me start to understand myself was when I went to a friend's birthday party and met a girl I immediately liked. That's when I realized I liked women. My first girlfriend in my final year of high school was a girl. If you ask if I ever had crushes on guys, I did, but I didn't feel any attraction. Talking to guys didn't give me the same thrill as talking to girls. “After having my first girlfriend, I became more masculine. When I was at home or going out, I would wear pants and shirts or t-shirts, unlike before when I wore puff-sleeved shirts and skirts. My family started noticing, asking where I got the pants from because I had secretly bought them. Being asked so often, I admit, made me stressed because I didn't dare tell my family. But I thought they might have noticed because I started wearing a chest binder.”

“Eventually, when my family found out, they couldn't accept it. They understood it was just a fashion trend, that I wanted to follow my friends. Even my older sister asked if I was really like that, because when I was younger, I used to be a cheerleader. Why did I change so quickly in high school? I told them honestly that I wasn't following anyone, just following my feelings. I didn't want to be a boy, but I didn't want to be 100% a girl either. I had both femininity and the desire to be cool like a boy. Because my family didn't understand, it made me feel awkward about what I wanted to do with myself. So, I acted one way at home and another way at school. My sister saw both sides because we went to the same school. She probably just observed me quietly without saying anything to the family. At that time, I didn't really question myself about what I was. Maybe because I'd already been asked enough by others. At school, there were lesbians, gays, tomboys, and even I wondered if I was a tomboy as most people thought. But if you ask me deep down, I'm still a woman.”

Opening a New World in Bangkok 

“Honestly, I hardly ever talk to my family about this. I know they try to understand, because when I got to high school, I became clearer about my identity. For example, on weekends, I stopped wearing skirts, and they got used to it. If someone asks my parents, ‘What’s wrong with you?’ they’ll just laugh and say they don’t know. If I have to answer someone, I’ll just say, ‘This is just how I am,’ letting them figure it out themselves. “I fully became myself when I competed in The Voice Season 3 in 2014. I was about 19 years old then. I started posting pictures of my boyfriend on social media. My family didn’t say anything. Especially after moving to Bangkok, I felt that society was more open about gender. I told myself that I didn’t need to limit myself to be anything, because I didn’t want to be just a woman or a man. Of course, when I started gaining fans, there would often be comments asking questions, guessing that with my appearance I must be a woman. Some even said I was a tomboy. But no matter what anyone asked, I didn’t respond, because I didn’t even understand the definition of a tomboy. Luckily, the questions and comments weren’t negative. “But even so, working in the entertainment industry, there were times when I was confused about my identity. Sometimes I felt that with my youthful appearance, maybe if I had long hair, I would be more famous.” Because sometimes being too masculine can make men jealous, or some women might not like it. There was a time when I felt bad about myself, and I still feel that way sometimes. I have to try not to let these thoughts control my mind, not limit myself, and just do what I want to do. “For example, with makeup or wearing women's clothing, nowadays I see clothing as not gender-specific. You can wear what you like. Getting to this point required a lot of self-reflection. Before, I only wore men's clothing, low-waisted pants, and never women's clothing. Then, about three years ago, a stylist helped me try high-waisted women's pants, and I loved them. Since then, I've started changing my look, becoming more confident in my style. Wearing women's clothes is fine as long as I'm happy or feel confident in them.”

Bam's perspective on love: 

"As for love, I want to get married. I want to have a family with someone, someone who makes me feel secure and is my safe space. I never think about whether society will accept it or not, because I feel it's my right. If I have to fight to get that right, I'm ready. In the past, I've talked with my boyfriend about possibly adopting a child in the future or having him get pregnant. That's how I envision our family."

No need for a definition. 

“Some people want a definition of their gender, but I don't have one. These days, when people call me a tomboy, I feel awkward because I don't have an answer to what I want to be. Deep down, I still feel like a woman, if I had to choose between male and female. But if I had to define myself broadly beyond those two genders, it's difficult to answer because I have internal contradictions. I'm a woman, but I don't want to be a woman. Like with breasts, I don't want them, but I haven't considered having surgery to remove them. These days, there are so many definitions of gender that it feels suffocating for everyone to try and define what gender they are. I just think, 'I am who I am.' “In the past, I wanted to be a man, but I couldn't lose myself that much. I still like my face and body the way I am. In high school, I wanted to look more masculine, so I tried to lower my voice until it became deeper. Now I regret it because I remember my voice being much clearer before. I'm starting to understand that I like being myself; I don't need to change anything. “I'm quite lucky that when I entered the entertainment industry, everyone accepted me for who I am. No one told me what I should be. I once read an interview with a singer who said that a record label contacted them saying that if they were a woman, they would have become a singer, but because of their tomboyish personality, they didn't.” This is an example of how some people are limited by their gender, causing them to miss out on opportunities. “Being well-known, besides getting to work on the music I love, allows my identity to build confidence in others. It might not be to the point of being a voice for others, but it can inspire them. People have messaged me saying that seeing me express my true self—my effeminate side and my masculine side—helped them find their own answer: that being something more than they used to be is a form of happiness.”


The two parts where it says 'boyfriend', the Thai word there  was actually not gendered. Since Bambam said they were not attracted to men in the same way as to women, it is more likely that should've been translated to 'girlfriend'.

Also, in Thai 'gender' and 'orientation' are the same word, which helps explain the first paragraph.

Her voice! OMG!

Tetris from Love Design sang the song, her voice is so soothing, girl is versatile :)

EEL (2018) - kisskh -> EEL, a good short film, even great. However, I couldn't give it a 10 as the only review says. It's got interesting cinematography though and the FLs are honest and real.

9/10

Also, I started watching Ayaka is in Love with Hiroko 2nd stage. I am enjoying it so far. I like miscommunication in movies (but not so much irl), so there's that. I'll continue watching it tomorrow.

 Da Bao:

Guys, do you see this? A short haired woman in a GL! Finally. And she's FL!! Releasing Jan 30 afaik

Yay! Very exciting!


@Ryn, thanks for posting the translation of their interview. Very interesting. They say a lot of things about themself that are similar to what my spouse, who is nonbinary, would say. 

also, I’m really interested to learn that “gender” and “orientation“ are the same word in Thai. This explains why trans characters are always assumed to be “gay” even though I would say they’re actually straight. I would like to understand Thai culture better in order to understand some characters and labels that don’t always make sense in English.

@dora

I def will at some point post my big ass 'wtf is up with Thai gender, pronouns, and specifically toms' accumulated doc, but not this point.

A couple of things Bambam said were relatable to me too. Specifically that it's a long meandering journey, sometimes you overshoot and crawl back, a lot of people have undue opinions along the way, and in the end you're just tired and go 'welp I am what I am and that's going to have to be okay regardless of what other people think'.

(But we're not totally the same tho, lol wish me luck at my gender clinic appointment later today, because for me 'I am what I am' does involve changing my body to match.)

In the west, people also  sometimes think that being trans is just the extreme end of being gay, like, you can be a little bit gay (straightpassing), a lot gay (=gay + gnc), and then if you're extremely gay then bam that flips over into you being trans. One of my therapists once thought that the reason I was nonbinary was that I was just on the extreme end of asexual haha, like I was so ace that I didn't do gender anymore either. I didn't correct her I thought it was cute, she was great.

https://kisskh.at/804642-clairebell-after-the-final-scene

There's going to be ClaireBell extras, thought people would like to know :)

 Ryn:
There's going to be ClaireBell extras

Three bonus episodes. I knew one was coming, but three is better, provided they are all full length episodes. It will be interesting to see if the tone of the show changes now they are out of prison. 

 MarkWasHere:

Three bonus episodes. I knew one was coming, but three is better, provided they are all full length episodes. It will be interesting to see if the tone of the show changes now they are out of prison. 

The tone will change, isn't that obvious? lol

 MarkWasHere:

"ClairBell" is easily the best Thai GL drama to date.
"Love Design", "Player", "Roller coaster" and "Queendom" are all also quite good.

I just seen this just now. Thanks for the recommendations.

Anyone know where to find this? https://kisskh.at/773103-when-the-tide-rises. Gagaoolala took it off their free tier. 

Ah never mind, I think i found the entire thing on yt 

 aylinluna:

Ah never mind, I think i found the entire thing on yt 

Care to share? Currently I don't have Gaga subscription