Tina:
oh yeah, that name is appropriate for them. It's exactly the same behavior, it's insane fr
Saying this everywhere, but I'm leaving MDL due to how they won't ever add Gagaoolala as a service.
I'm only keeping my account to check notifications (until those die down) and also, search the database for a drama to watch, once in a while.
I'm just, so done with this website. :/
Oh man, is it that serious for you that they won't add Gaga? I guess I won't see you around much then?
Aqua:
Following this thread because I would like to know too 😂but it's definitely a mixture of parasocialism and pretty privilege because in their eyes their handsome oppas can do no wrong and is too pure for this world 🥺 👉👈 LMAO.
That's VERY mentally unhealthy of them, damn 😂 so far it does seem to just be that the one's doing it so not actually care for the feelings of the artists, or have selfishly disconnected from reality and convinced themselves it's fine. They've totally internalised it in their heads and in their social groups, given it a label and decided it's all right. But yeah, no, it's not healthy.
Saw post calling a 30 year old man a 'cute adorable kid' today. The level of cringe is off the scale.
Lyson:
Oh man, is it that serious for you that they won't add Gaga? I guess I won't see you around much then?
Well, you gotta wonder if they're homophobic at this point. :(
I sent a DM to one of the admins, but I think it'll get ignored.
Already made a list on a google sheet and it's working fine. I'm thinking of adding Vietnam and other countries to it, since it's easy to do.
As for MDL, I'm so tired. The other week I sent a lot of comments on dramas so people will vote for the suggestion. And we've all been thinking about ways to make the admins notice us. The problem is they most likely already noticed and they purposely ignore us. :/
It's annoying, to say the least.
Well, you gotta wonder if they're homophobic at this point. :(
I sent a DM to one of the admins, but I think it'll get ignored.
Already made a list on a google sheet and it's working fine. I'm thinking of adding Vietnam and other countries to it, since it's easy to do.
As for MDL, I'm so tired. The other week I sent a lot of comments on dramas so people will vote for the suggestion. And we've all been thinking about ways to make the admins notice us. The problem is they most likely already noticed and they purposely ignore us. :/
It's annoying, to say the least.
I think everyone's always known that MDL is lowkey homophobic, the staff too are full of shit, a lot of them show favoritism for the shows (mostly SK shows) they prefer. They tend to dislike how BL/LGBTQ shows get more attention than the average K-drama, it's actually sad and funny at the same time.
But you it may also possibly have something to do with funds for staffing, the reason the staff on here is so shit might be because many of them are volunteer staff, not getting paid and just drama fans, so they're not very helpful. lol
it's actually sad and funny at the same time
It is. Unfortunately, I have come to the conclusion nothing can be done about adding Gagaoolala right now. I guess I'm just disappointed, it's why I reacted like that. Not saying I'm back for good, but at least I'm updating my list again. I'm gonna lurk more than I reply to things from now on. Stopped going on feeds. It's not worth it. I also have found someone who refuses to watch Chinese dramas because of the propaganda (nor for that matter do they watch American shows lol, for the same reason). I always thought that's interesting. A while back I found someone who doesn't watch Chinese shows because of the ban on LGBT content in Mainland China. Which is fair. And I thought: I should do that, too. It's not like I was interested in het Chinese series anyway. Maybe some movies, but if they're propaganda, I can live without them. (I had the misfortune of watching Born to Fly, Wang Yi Bo's movie... ooh boy, was that so much state issued "advertisement".) Idk like, I made a new list on google sheets and it's working like a charm, but I miss MDL and actually interacting with people. Since I don't interact irl with others beside my immediate family, it's quite painful to remove myself from social circles online. Just a rant lol
Today I managed to finish 2 dropped series. It's cathartic because I feel like my NDD is calming down.
If I'm going to be off-topic for the better part of this post, let me be on topic too.
The phenomenon you described in this thread seems to only be happening in regards to Asian men. I don't see white men for example, being cutesyfied so much, if at all. It might be that it's part of the fan culture for dramas (and K-pop, another can of worms), but like, as an outsider to most fandoms, getting into fandom is so much whiplash because of this. And some other aspects. Before dramas and k-pop, I wasn't aware of sasaengs, although in the west, we'd mostly call them "crazy fans" or "stalker fans". But there's definitely a culture shock when you go into drama fandoms. I remember going into GMMTV fandoms. ON and OG back then in 2022. Everyone on X was babying these actors and it was embarrassing to say the least. But maybe thinking these grown ass men could indeed do wrong meant I wasn't a "true fan"? Whatever it was, maybe those people were right. That I was indeed not a true fan because I wasn't willing to squeal and fangirl lol. But maybe it's also based on personality. There are also "mom fans" as opposed to "faen fans" and other types. Since I don't have motherly instincts and the age difference is not that big between me and those actors (in the case of OG, they're older than me lol), I feel like those "mom fans" also have it wrong. I don't know how you can be such a fan. But between that, fans giving real money bouquets to their faves and women going to fan events in wedding dresses, it's all mind boggling. Again, I'd describe it as fan culture shock, if anything.
The good thing about shows and media is that we can pick, choose and refuse to watch whatever for whatever reason, but yeah, no point leaving a whole social platform over the owner/admin being asses.
(I had the misfortune of watching Born to Fly, Wang Yi Bo's movie... ooh boy, was that so much state issued "advertisement".)
Ah yes, this was by far the most propaganda laced movie he was in and that was only one of the problems with it lol
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It's mostly done for Asian men but I have seen it used on some western celebs, although to a MUCH lesser extent.
Everyone on X was babying these actors and it was embarrassing to say the least.
Very much, and they're still doing it. Had an asinine back and forth with a fan of this behaviour on Threads, they went s far as to claim that the celebs the like (specifically apparently) don't mind. Like, that's next level self-gaslighting. Just be convincing themselves it's all good.
That I was indeed not a true fan because I wasn't willing to squeal and fangirl lol.
Nothing wrong in my opinion with being a fangirl or fanboy and showing it, even squeeing is fine, getting excited, but don't call them babygirl and smol sweet kid when they're grown as men because if those same people try that with men in their everyday lives, they'd realise quickly it's not on the level. The same way most females would get mad just for being called 'sir'. But ask them to face that and they can't make sense of it some how. Lack of critical thinking and general awareness.
There are also "mom fans" as opposed to "faen fans"
oh this is even creepier for me, but I already know why female fans are obsessed with mommy daddy shit. it's an age thing. Asian people are very sensitive about age too. The idea that a 26 year old is still a 'little growing kid' to these fans is very yikes. And then when they're 27+ suddenly they're old now. And the fans make it all a lot worse. No thanks, I do not want to be anybody's mummy or daddy and I will NEVER call any celebs mummy or daddy because why???? Age difference notwithstanding, because I don't think there's a limit on the age of anyone being a fan of something, but yes, going to a fanmeet in wedding dress, calling the celebs daddy to their faces, no no noooooo. Big no. Hard no. Sending gifts? I would never, but if people have money to burn or give away all willy nilly, good for them lol Couldn't be me.
Had an asinine back and forth with a fan of this behaviour on Threads
oh man, it's not worth it talking sense into these people. They're in their own world and won't listen to anything you have to say that remotely contradicts their fantasies. Sadly.
The idea that a 26 year old is still a 'little growing kid' to these fans is very yikes. And then when they're 27+ suddenly they're old now.
yeah, 26 seems to be the limit on babying someone, apparently. Maybe because they associate being older than that with having a family of your own? but that doesn't apply in cases where people do marry younger than that. even so, it doesn't apply to Asian celebs because of the "no dating" rule they have imposed on them.
The gift giving, I could probably approve of and even contribute to. But that's my limit when it comes to being a fan. I know they have an obligation to donate part of it, at least in Thailand? But yeah, I'm not one to scream at the top of my lungs at concerts for example, but I will have fun in my own way. Same for being a fan of a celeb, even if I'm not squealing my ass off, I'm still excited to see the actor in fan edits and such (since I can't see them irl due to the distance and all).
I guess more intense fans want a lot from their faves. If they go so far as to call them all sorts of embarrassing names or call themselves that. It denotes a certain delulu stage I may never reach lol It's not a competition, nor do I want to reach that point (of no return lol).
Discussing this is fine but I don't think their behavior will change even if we do make fun of them for it or try to talk some sense into these fans. Maybe they'll realize their mistakes years later but it takes a lot of self-awareness to see what is wrong. Just my 2 cents on the matter.
yeah, 26 seems to be the limit on babying someone, apparently. Maybe because they associate being older than that with having a family of your own? but that doesn't apply in cases where people do marry younger than that. even so, it doesn't apply to Asian celebs because of the "no dating" rule they have imposed on them.
But they still do baby them, in one breath they'll baby the 27+ and in the next they'll talk about how they're 'older' and 'daddy'. They just abuse vocabulary at this point.
The gift giving, I could probably approve of and even contribute to. But that's my limit when it comes to being a fan. I know they have an obligation to donate part of it, at least in Thailand? But yeah, I'm not one to scream at the top of my lungs at concerts for example,
I don't know anything about the gift giving to idols/celebs tbh XD and i would never contribute to it, I don't even buy gifts for anyone I know irl lol so I'll never give a gift to someone I don't know. Fancons for BL actors, yeah also not for me, I would not pay to go to one of those. I might watch highlights of one or two of the actors/pairs I'm interested in, in the fancon, but never the whole thing. Music concerts of professional singers I like, I 100% would pay, would attend, would sing along (not scream though, but no judgement for those who do xD). BL actors singing
I guess more intense fans want a lot from their faves. If they go so far as to call them all sorts of embarrassing names or call themselves that. It denotes a certain delulu stage I may never reach lol It's not a competition, nor do I want to reach that point (of no return lol).
I think too many fans actually thing the celebs 'belong' to them in a sense, expecially in China and SKorea. The more money they spend, the more they feel they have ownership over the celeb/idols life. It's very bizarrre, that mindset, not sure how one gets to have such a messed up delusion perspective. I do know that the polite Asian culture keeps celebs from being straightforward and honest and direct in telling fans to back off, only some of them stand up for themselves. Pity. If more idols/celebs could tell fans to stay in their lane it'd be great.
Discussing this is fine but I don't think their behavior will change even if we do make fun of them for it or try to talk some sense into these fans. Maybe they'll realize their mistakes years later but it takes a lot of self-awareness to see what is wrong. Just my 2 cents on the matter.
Oh yeah, no, they won't stop, especially with the level of entitlement new fans have, they'll just keep going and enabling eachother by telling each other it's fine to do to male celebs (and sometimes female celebs) the same shit they'd cry rivers about if someone did it to them.
Thanks for sharing your cents (sense) :D
BL actors singing
You got interrupted there, the sentence doesn't go further lol
I too (used to) go to concerts a lot and would pay for them. Singing is not my forte so I'd just be excited to be there haha
But yeah, BL actors singing is not the best choice when it comes to concerts lmao
I'd go once to see Gun and maaybe FirstKhao. But that's it.
Don't want to give gifts to anyone other than Gun Atthaphan and Milk Pansa tbh, when it comes to BL/GL artists (yes, at the detriment in gift giving towards their counterpart in the couple pairings lol). Since I'll watch most of their filmography anyway, it would probably be strange of me not to give a gift, too. At least that's what I feel like doing. When I'll have my own money that is. For now, I don't give gifts due to money reasons to people irl either, not to mention people I don't know personally.
If more idols/celebs could tell fans to stay in their lane it'd be great.
It would be a better fan world indeed. Fans should really know some boundaries. The way Zi Yu and others are stalked at the airport is no joke.
But they still do baby them, in one breath they'll baby the 27+ and in the next they'll talk about how they're 'older' and 'daddy'.
That's just weird. I think fans like these need therapy of some kind, like Freud is smiling in his grave right now.
Anyway, nothing we can do about the fandom, it's not like we can control people's behavior or anything. It would be nice if these type of fans weren't so embarrassing in every way, but that's definitely not something that will change any time soon. It's the reason I left Thai BL fandoms and fandoms in general. Now I'm happy only talking to some people on here about shows I like and I'm happy not to be "in the know" of any celebrity's movements, even those celebs I like.
You got interrupted there, the sentence doesn't go further lol
I don't even remember what I was gonna' say but it was possibly about how most of them are not actually particularly good at singing LOL
For now, I don't give gifts due to money reasons to people irl either, not to mention people I don't know personally.
Money is a valid reason but for me, I just don't like giving or receiving gifts so I don't give or accept any.
Fans should really know some boundaries.
Did you see that time when Net brushed off a hater fan in the comments of his live with his new BL partner JJ? And then they snickered about it. Or the time Joong went online on Twitter and trolled a shit talker 'fan' as well. It was hilarious 😂 Joong was actually so good at trolling. I wish more of the actors/idols would stand up for themselves 😂
That's just weird. I think fans like these need therapy of some kind, like Freud is smiling in his grave right now.
Lol daddy issues? Pretty typical.
It would be nice if these type of fans weren't so embarrassing in every way
Yes, very much so, but they're embarrassing themselves so LOL
Yeah I stay on the outskirts of fandoms, I'm a regular fan of things, I'm not a 'stan' (aka psycho -do the people who call themselves that even know where 'Stan' comes from??? LOL) or star struck or obsessed or whatever the kids are calling it these days. I'll stay in my nice quiet lane.
We'll probably pass each other by in the quiet lane now and then XD
I think too many fans actually thing the celebs 'belong' to them in a sense, expecially in China and SKorea. The more money they spend, the more they feel they have ownership over the celeb/idols life. It's very bizarrre, that mindset, not sure how one gets to have such a messed up delusion perspective.
Celebs are commodified and marketed as products. CP is sold as a value added product. The illusion that they are single (or shipped) in RL makes for a more valuable product as well.
Gossip media sells a derivative product - the trash the parasites invent or exploit around each celeb.
Every piece of that machine knows how to exploit young artists in order to extract as much money as they can from hardcore fans.
Part of that comes from exploiting legitimate human needs for a sense of belonging, or to love and be loved. And the consumerist world we've been building for more than a century now has gotten very good at separating us from legitimate ways to meet those needs so they can sell us inferior substitutes like socialising over the internet instead of in person.
The delulu fans are those who fall hardest for all of this.
Elisheva:
GMMTV was GMM's youth-orientated channel until it shifted gears to chase inter fans and slots on western platforms like Viki.
Yes, I’ve heard this before, that gmmtv used to be a strictly youth-oriented channel. I simply meant that them keeping doing it ( leaning into youthful ideas and situations) is their way to retain both, the juvenile as well as older demographic. That way they’d still be relatable to the juveniles while also appealing to parental sides of the older demographic.
