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Replying to ItsBlu3Viper Apr 27, 2024
Title Shogun Spoiler
I, too, think that I will have to read the book now, as it was mentioned in some article that screenwriting left…
I don't think he would want to get a Catholic looking cross. But if he wanted to, he could have taken Mariko's as a keepsake instead of dumping it in the lake.
The rest of what you've written I think adds even more fuel to the dream theory. He got a concussion and dreamt of home he left behind.
But personally I think it was just a dream. The book didn't rewrite main character's fate from his irl counterpart, so I don't think there's a room to headcanon a different one for him here.
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Replying to ItsBlu3Viper Apr 26, 2024
Title Shogun Spoiler
I, too, think that I will have to read the book now, as it was mentioned in some article that screenwriting left…
No, the protagonist here is based on the real historical person. In the book they just loosely follow historical events. In the book at the end it was said that it was the protagonist's fate to never leave Japan, so the book didn't change this.
Go read about the real historical person on wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_(pilot)
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Replying to ItsBlu3Viper Apr 25, 2024
Title Shogun Spoiler
I, too, think that I will have to read the book now, as it was mentioned in some article that screenwriting left…
Irl Anjin never left Japan. He later married a non-noble woman from a wealthy family, was given a house and ship building job. Ships that Tokugawa used in his war efforts. His kids were half-Japanese.
So that scene of him being old in some Western looking room with clearly full European kids must be some dream. Also, the cross he was holding was Mariko's, but he dropped it into the lake.
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Replying to Nlskss Apr 24, 2024
I'm on episode 2, and Fl's actions are causing me secondhand embarrassment. How can a 35-year-old woman act like…
It only gets worse.
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On Shogun Apr 24, 2024
Title Shogun
Yea, that muted ending and furniture of a protagonist didn't do it for me. Never once was he shown to be actually needed by Toranaga and he wasn't even funny to be his pet clown, because they communicated too seldom here. And many important scenes about the protagonist were cut to make time for a parade of side characters.
And too many times it seemed that Toranaga was just plain lucky and adapting, not megaminding everything ten steps ahead. Yea, he was a ruthless liar who surrounded himself by people he could easily manipulate, but he wasn't omniscient to predict all random things. Like, what happened to his son, or his brother betraying him, or what happened to Mariko.
And speaking of Mariko, she was more of a protagonist in this show than ML or Toranaga combined. MVP, but disappointingly way too suicidal.
My favorite character in this drama is not her though, but Yabushige - the most human and entertaining one to watch. He was squirming on the frying pan for the whole series trying to get the most profit, but failed expectedly :).

Anyway, it's still a good drama. Production quality, especially the costumes were great. Too bad they didn't show the epic battle of Sekigahara, but it wasn't in the book, so ok. I'd give it an 8. But old TV series in terms of the plot and characters were still better, imho.
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Replying to Aramintai Apr 24, 2024
Yea, at times it's just too dumb. You can say that's how teenagers behave, but FL is actually 30+, no excuses…
I'm not talking about the rejection, but all the other dumb moments.
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Replying to PisbliBloqueada Apr 23, 2024
Title Lovely Runner Spoiler
Did you know that in the manhwas THEY BOTH DIE???? GOD WHY DID YOU WATCH IT!sabiam que no manhwas OS DOIS MORREM????…
Do they? I've read other commenters who read it that it's a happy ending, with marriage even.
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Replying to Celeste Apr 23, 2024
Oh no no no no!Why the negative answer?
She doesn't think it will last because she'll return to the future again and then it's gonna be her dumb teenager self who doesn't even know ML and pines for SML.
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Replying to QD28 Apr 23, 2024
The misunderstandings are way too much. Dramagods, please STOP its getting annoying now!
Yea, at times it's just too dumb. You can say that's how teenagers behave, but FL is actually 30+, no excuses for being a walking miscommunication generator like she doesn't understand what's going on.
And ML's also rather inconsistent, sometimes he's very bold, sometimes can't even speak normally.
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Replying to marishhiii Apr 23, 2024
Since Sol will be back in the future after the accident/taxi driver thingy the old Sol won't remember anything…
Why the very selective memory loss then?
Also, since she seems to be running around in the future again in the preview it doesn't look like it's just lost memories. She's changing the past. Just like with that photo appearing on ML's table earlier.
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Replying to marishhiii Apr 23, 2024
Since Sol will be back in the future after the accident/taxi driver thingy the old Sol won't remember anything…
What about her younger self acting completely different when she's not in her younger body?
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Replying to Brooke Apr 21, 2024
Title Shogun
They should've chosen a more charismatic actor to play the Anjin. It's such an important character but I feel…
I agree with you, he's plain unlikable. Especially compared to his counterpart in the old TV series.
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Replying to Kdramaplot Apr 17, 2024
Title Shogun
Definitely one the best thoroughly planned episode with lot of meaningful actions. Waiting for Crimson sky now!!!
I already know all there is to know about the plot, so I was there mainly drooling over gorgeous costumes. Though I think they've made them too expensive in this drama, for some characters at least, with many of them having gold embroidery and very expensive textiles. I get the heir's family swimming in gold, but the rest of the samurai families and especially vassal families? I doubt that.
Still, the production quality's through the roof.
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Replying to Aramintai Apr 17, 2024
Title Shogun Spoiler
Her death will spark an outrage among nobles, since so far everybody pretended to play nice. But now Ishido will…
Yea, other hostages got away in the old TV series.
Not sure what's gonna happen in the new drama though, there was no other exit in that room.
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Replying to Aramintai Apr 16, 2024
Title Shogun Spoiler
Her death will spark an outrage among nobles, since so far everybody pretended to play nice. But now Ishido will…
They were trying to kidnap her. The context was different because she and Blackthorne were trying to help the hostages run away through another passage and she was holding the door to prevent the assassins from entering while they were escaping.
In the new version she just stood in front of the door on purpose to be blown up. I mean, what the hell 🤦‍♂️
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Replying to Aramintai Apr 16, 2024
Title Shogun Spoiler
Her death will spark an outrage among nobles, since so far everybody pretended to play nice. But now Ishido will…
In the TV series? She also gets blown off by the explosives at the door. But there she was holding the door from opening while others got away through another passage.
Here's the scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQCyAEk4yxo
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Replying to Aramintai Apr 16, 2024
Title Shogun Spoiler
Her death will spark an outrage among nobles, since so far everybody pretended to play nice. But now Ishido will…
I won't disagree that she's just plain suicidal in this drama. She was just looking for a spectacular way to die throughout the whole series.

In the original TV series she died by accident trying to save Blackthorne and it was more believable. And she wasn't as suicidal there either.
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Replying to logiquement Apr 16, 2024
Title Shogun Spoiler
they really said no plot armour but in a dumb kind of way, I'm losing my mind lmaoo.Mariko was always about killing…
Her death will spark an outrage among nobles, since so far everybody pretended to play nice. But now Ishido will lose his reputation as well as substantial chunk of his supporters and will have to release all the hostages. That was the consequence of her death irl and in the book. Irl though she wasn't a puppet played by Tokugawa, she was just caught in the crossfire, so to speak. She refused to commit seppuku due to her faith and was killed by her husband's retainer when Ishida tried to take her hostage.

But here one could say everything was planned by Toranaga, including this. She leaves with his harem - it's a sign for other hostage nobles that they could demand the same. She dies - it would piss off the nobles and will make it a justifiable reason to come and "liberate" the nobles, gaining their support.
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Replying to MiyamotoMusashi Apr 16, 2024
Title Shogun
I agree with your sentiment in general, there are clear contradictions within her character, but I think it was…
Yea, we'll see how they finish this up. But so far I'm liking the old TV series plot more.
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