well yeah, but the romance part wasn't big in webtoon and it's still TV drama, there wouldn't be a kiss most likely,…
"Idiot," "narcissist," "sociopath." Those are big words for someone with a small mind
Misogyny and homophobia share a common source in men's fear of being treated as they treat women. Trans issues don't fit into the equation. I've seen homophobes who are more supportive of trans identifying people, to the point of preferring that their gay children identify as trans. The enemies of the gay, women's, and trans movements are different groups with different agendas
well yeah, but the romance part wasn't big in webtoon and it's still TV drama, there wouldn't be a kiss most likely,…
You're force-fitting trans issues into a conversation about gay people and stirring up a pot of trouble where there's no kettle to be found. It's not working
Are you discriminating against the people with brain deficiency?
Being trans and being gay are two separate parts of an identity. Trans refers to one’s internal sense of gender identity, it's the self-loathing, the discomfort with oneself and the external presentation of a different persona as a result. Gay refers to who one is attracted to. Self-love, not self-loathing, is the core principle of the gay rights movement. It’s not hard for me to imagine someone rejecting the trans identity and respecting the rights of gay people
well yeah, but the romance part wasn't big in webtoon and it's still TV drama, there wouldn't be a kiss most likely,…
Are you the (un)official spokesperson for Bigoted Productions? Under every comments section of censored gay adaptations, there you are, complaining about other people complaining and telling them that "the gay romance isn't a major part of the story anyway"
Why are producers snipping out little, minor slices of stories? They could've left them in and put a warning label like, "caution: minor gay romance ahead. If it offends you, please close your eyes. The straight agenda will resume momentarily"
Removing the love interest is as much censorship as toning down the romance
Some Western countries are behind the times on gay rights and representation, why should Korea follow suit? "We can't make progress on human rights because some countries haven't yet." That's a terrible argument. Korea should be a leader, not a follower
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I'm not lying. At the time of Goblin's release, the age gap between Kim Go Eun and Gong Yoo, who were 25 and 37 respectively, was visible. Gong Yoo's appearance suggested a maturity beyond his years, he could've believably played a father figure to Go Eun. Their on-screen interactions were disturbing
I'm not trying to "lecture" you, I'm highlighting the inconsistency in how age gaps are treated in media
What do you have against baby-faced people?
Blank's source material might've been "problematic" to you, but the producers addressed your concerns by increasing the age of the younger female character from 18 to 20-21
The negative reaction to the series is disproportionate and unjustified, it doesn't acknowledge the positive creative changes made to the source material
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Appearances can be deceiving. If you're going to base relationships on appearances, will you tell people with similar haircuts or outfits they look like twins and should avoid dating?
Kim Go Eun and Gong Yoo had a visible age difference that made them appear more like a father-daughter duo, why do you defend that problematic drama?
"... that girlie behaves like a child"
Being an adult doesn’t mean losing your sense of fun and playfulness. It’s possible to have a youthful "spirit" or act childlike and still be a mature, responsible adult
there are lot of LGBT characters or even couples in Korean dramas nowadays... better no romance at all than making…
"A lot" is relative. With one openly gay character or couple per million dramas, we're hardly pushing the boundaries of representation
Removing a gay romance isn't better than censoring it, it contributes to the erasure of gay identities and experiences
Homophobia is a widespread issue that affects all communities around the world. Some Western societies claim to be tolerant, but their reactions to gay representation in media demonstrate that there's progress to be made. Rather than repeating the mistakes of the West, Asia should aim to be more supportive of the gay community
Whereas it means a huge percentage of K-drama fans will avoid it, as they only tune in for the latest drama with…
The "woke" have ruined everything. Now people have to watch a drama for the plot and characters and not for the eye candy. The horror!
I have a preference for all-female or all-male casts, stories, spaces and societies. As opposed to the liberal "woke" straight agenda that pushes for extra-inclusive, mixed-sex interactions, I believe in the power of separate spaces for women and men. In my ideal world, there would be two homosocial societies, one for women and one for men, so that each sex could thrive independently of the influence of the opposite sex. Freed from the shackles of relentless "procreation," each sex would use its finite time on earth to create a harmonious, enjoyable existence
it's TV drama, so that's different from a movie, and the romance part wasn't the main part of the webtoon at all
Removing a small gay romance is absurd, homophobes could've just covered their eyes or changed the channel
It's doubly absurd when you consider that the theater is female-only and the women play romantic roles with each other. There's no escaping the gayness
The truth is, even a seemingly small inclusion of gay romance can shift the story's dynamics. It matters, to those who value it and to those who are uncomfortable with it. We need to protect and preserve it
To those concerned that this drama might be "pedophilic"
The actresses of "Blank" are adults of legal age. The fictional story establishes that the younger female character attending high school is a 20-21-year-old adult who's been delayed in her educational progress due to medical circumstances. The age gap in the romantic storyline doesn't involve minors or pre-pubescent children and can't be classified as "pedophilia"
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Supernatural elements don't completely eliminate the psychological, emotional, societal effects of time on individuals. Imagine a 900+-year-old goblin dating a 17-19-year-old human. Despite the supernatural entity's frozen physical appearance, their emotional maturity outstrips the human's, creating a power imbalance in their relationship
It's not illogical to draw comparisons between supernatural and ordinary age gaps in fictional narratives, or to find inconsistencies in the acceptance and condemnation of age gaps across different works of fiction
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The actresses of "Blank" are adults of legal age. The fictional story establishes that the younger female character attending high school is a 20-21-year-old adult who's been delayed in her educational progress due to medical circumstances. The age gap in the romantic storyline doesn't involve minors or pre-pubescent children and can't be classified as "pedophilia"
If everyone became a vigilante then lawlessness would reign over the world. We have laws for a reason. You can’t…
Anyone who challenges the elite and their crimes is a vigilante hero
The police have been known to disproportionately target marginalized communities (POC, gay people, disabled people, etc). The issue isn't with vigilantism, it's with people in general. Both law enforcement officers and crime fighters are susceptible to bias
If everyone became a vigilante then lawlessness would reign over the world. We have laws for a reason. You can’t…
Think of vigilantism like salt in a recipe. A pinch can bring out the flavor, too much can ruin the dish. If everyone became a vigilante, society would be too salty to handle. A skilled vigilante knows the precise amount of vigilantism to add to elevate society from bland to bold. The careful balance of vigilantism is the secret ingredient that distinguishes a just society from a lawless one
"You can’t just be judge, jury, executioner"
Life is a play, and we're the players. Or are we? Why be limited to the roles assigned to us? We can take on the role of director
The law is a script we choose to follow or rewrite. Let's take charge and show life that we're not just players, we're the masters of our fate. We'll be the judge, jury and executioner, and we'll guarantee justice is served
"Two wrongs don’t make a right"
Why do we have even and odd numbers? Add two odd numbers together, they become even (a right). By that logic, two "wrongs" make a right
Totally agree!Honestly, I would be disappointed as well if Heesu and Seung Won become side characters BUT I feel…
My opinion is that adaptations should be like a good partner, faithful and true to the original. Otherwise, they're cheating on the story
I wouldn't want to hear a cover of a pop song that turns into heavy metal halfway through, I wouldn't want to watch an adaptation of a gay story that goes "straight" on me halfway through
"Straight" stories are adapted with their original "straight" elements intact, their adaptations don't remove the "straight" elements or add gay elements. Why can't gay stories be adapted with their original gay elements intact? They're not given the same treatment as "straight" stories, they undergo changes or censorship to conform to homophobic expectations
The removal of the second gay couple from "Heesu in Class 2" adaptation and their replacement with a "straight" couple is an example of the injustice facing gay representation. I hope you understand that I can't support or condone the changes
"It's dangerous" isn't a strong argument against vigilantism or retribution. Chainsaws are dangerous, they’re still helpful for clearing a forest. Vigilantism or retribution is helpful in situations where the law doesn't deliver justice. It's a backup plan, it's a response to injustice and disorder
The law is a two-faced jester, prancing around and juggling favors for the rich and powerful. Then a vigilante appears to right the wrongs, and the law suddenly develops selective amnesia to cry foul at the vigilante for daring to point out the law's involvement in criminal activity. Criminals get off with a slap on the wrist, the person standing up and saying, "that's not fair" is sat down with a heavy dose of punishment. This would make me laugh, if it weren’t so darn sad
I don't share this belief. Law enforcement isn't always fair. Sometimes the scales are tipped in favor of those with money or power, and that's when vigilantism should step in to level the playing field. It might not be "by the book," but it's a powerful tool for justice in a broken system
People are jumping to defend this pile of "straight" garbage before it's had a chance to stink up our screens. Take a whiff of it first
Producers have a long history of royally screwing up gay stories. I won't give them the benefit of the doubt. The minute I heard about a "straight" couple semi-dominating the screen, I knew the gay couple was in trouble. The "straight" story will take away airtime from the gay couple's story so that homophobes can watch a man and a woman do boring "couple" things. It's annoying that the producers don't fathom the possibility of a man and a woman being just friends
Totally agree!Honestly, I would be disappointed as well if Heesu and Seung Won become side characters BUT I feel…
You're the ones having a hissy fit over my preference for pure, undiluted, 100% pride-certified gay stories
My goal is to center and normalize the gay experience, it's not to further marginalize gayness by shoehorning "straightness" into it. To normalize gay stories, we should allow them to exist in their own right. Let them be gay. They need their separate platform where they can thrive
"... maybe the team loves the original story as much as the viewers do"
Get real. Their re-imagination of this gay story isn't love, it's greed. They're co-opting a powerful gay story and watering it down to fit their and society's "straight" agenda. I would never compromise the gay elements. That's love. True love doesn't bend to the will of others
"We can't say they butchered something if we didn't even see the end product yet"
The end product is a Frankenstein's monster of fake "gay representation," stitched together from mismatched bits of gay and "straight" storytelling. It's butchered and half the gay, pride and joy it could've been
Misogyny and homophobia share a common source in men's fear of being treated as they treat women. Trans issues don't fit into the equation. I've seen homophobes who are more supportive of trans identifying people, to the point of preferring that their gay children identify as trans. The enemies of the gay, women's, and trans movements are different groups with different agendas
Are you discriminating against the people with brain deficiency?
Being trans and being gay are two separate parts of an identity. Trans refers to one’s internal sense of gender identity, it's the self-loathing, the discomfort with oneself and the external presentation of a different persona as a result. Gay refers to who one is attracted to. Self-love, not self-loathing, is the core principle of the gay rights movement. It’s not hard for me to imagine someone rejecting the trans identity and respecting the rights of gay people
Why are producers snipping out little, minor slices of stories? They could've left them in and put a warning label like, "caution: minor gay romance ahead. If it offends you, please close your eyes. The straight agenda will resume momentarily"
Removing the love interest is as much censorship as toning down the romance
Some Western countries are behind the times on gay rights and representation, why should Korea follow suit? "We can't make progress on human rights because some countries haven't yet." That's a terrible argument. Korea should be a leader, not a follower
I'm not trying to "lecture" you, I'm highlighting the inconsistency in how age gaps are treated in media
What do you have against baby-faced people?
Blank's source material might've been "problematic" to you, but the producers addressed your concerns by increasing the age of the younger female character from 18 to 20-21
The negative reaction to the series is disproportionate and unjustified, it doesn't acknowledge the positive creative changes made to the source material
Kim Go Eun and Gong Yoo had a visible age difference that made them appear more like a father-daughter duo, why do you defend that problematic drama?
"... that girlie behaves like a child"
Being an adult doesn’t mean losing your sense of fun and playfulness. It’s possible to have a youthful "spirit" or act childlike and still be a mature, responsible adult
Removing a gay romance isn't better than censoring it, it contributes to the erasure of gay identities and experiences
Homophobia is a widespread issue that affects all communities around the world. Some Western societies claim to be tolerant, but their reactions to gay representation in media demonstrate that there's progress to be made. Rather than repeating the mistakes of the West, Asia should aim to be more supportive of the gay community
I have a preference for all-female or all-male casts, stories, spaces and societies. As opposed to the liberal "woke" straight agenda that pushes for extra-inclusive, mixed-sex interactions, I believe in the power of separate spaces for women and men. In my ideal world, there would be two homosocial societies, one for women and one for men, so that each sex could thrive independently of the influence of the opposite sex. Freed from the shackles of relentless "procreation," each sex would use its finite time on earth to create a harmonious, enjoyable existence
It's doubly absurd when you consider that the theater is female-only and the women play romantic roles with each other. There's no escaping the gayness
The truth is, even a seemingly small inclusion of gay romance can shift the story's dynamics. It matters, to those who value it and to those who are uncomfortable with it. We need to protect and preserve it
The actresses of "Blank" are adults of legal age. The fictional story establishes that the younger female character attending high school is a 20-21-year-old adult who's been delayed in her educational progress due to medical circumstances. The age gap in the romantic storyline doesn't involve minors or pre-pubescent children and can't be classified as "pedophilia"
It's not illogical to draw comparisons between supernatural and ordinary age gaps in fictional narratives, or to find inconsistencies in the acceptance and condemnation of age gaps across different works of fiction
The police have been known to disproportionately target marginalized communities (POC, gay people, disabled people, etc). The issue isn't with vigilantism, it's with people in general. Both law enforcement officers and crime fighters are susceptible to bias
"You can’t just be judge, jury, executioner"
Life is a play, and we're the players. Or are we? Why be limited to the roles assigned to us? We can take on the role of director
The law is a script we choose to follow or rewrite. Let's take charge and show life that we're not just players, we're the masters of our fate. We'll be the judge, jury and executioner, and we'll guarantee justice is served
"Two wrongs don’t make a right"
Why do we have even and odd numbers? Add two odd numbers together, they become even (a right). By that logic, two "wrongs" make a right
I wouldn't want to hear a cover of a pop song that turns into heavy metal halfway through, I wouldn't want to watch an adaptation of a gay story that goes "straight" on me halfway through
"Straight" stories are adapted with their original "straight" elements intact, their adaptations don't remove the "straight" elements or add gay elements. Why can't gay stories be adapted with their original gay elements intact? They're not given the same treatment as "straight" stories, they undergo changes or censorship to conform to homophobic expectations
The removal of the second gay couple from "Heesu in Class 2" adaptation and their replacement with a "straight" couple is an example of the injustice facing gay representation. I hope you understand that I can't support or condone the changes
The law is a two-faced jester, prancing around and juggling favors for the rich and powerful. Then a vigilante appears to right the wrongs, and the law suddenly develops selective amnesia to cry foul at the vigilante for daring to point out the law's involvement in criminal activity. Criminals get off with a slap on the wrist, the person standing up and saying, "that's not fair" is sat down with a heavy dose of punishment. This would make me laugh, if it weren’t so darn sad
I don't share this belief. Law enforcement isn't always fair. Sometimes the scales are tipped in favor of those with money or power, and that's when vigilantism should step in to level the playing field. It might not be "by the book," but it's a powerful tool for justice in a broken system
Producers have a long history of royally screwing up gay stories. I won't give them the benefit of the doubt. The minute I heard about a "straight" couple semi-dominating the screen, I knew the gay couple was in trouble. The "straight" story will take away airtime from the gay couple's story so that homophobes can watch a man and a woman do boring "couple" things. It's annoying that the producers don't fathom the possibility of a man and a woman being just friends
My goal is to center and normalize the gay experience, it's not to further marginalize gayness by shoehorning "straightness" into it. To normalize gay stories, we should allow them to exist in their own right. Let them be gay. They need their separate platform where they can thrive
"... maybe the team loves the original story as much as the viewers do"
Get real. Their re-imagination of this gay story isn't love, it's greed. They're co-opting a powerful gay story and watering it down to fit their and society's "straight" agenda. I would never compromise the gay elements. That's love. True love doesn't bend to the will of others
"We can't say they butchered something if we didn't even see the end product yet"
The end product is a Frankenstein's monster of fake "gay representation," stitched together from mismatched bits of gay and "straight" storytelling. It's butchered and half the gay, pride and joy it could've been