The backflips and cartwheels people do to excuse homophobia could give a Cirque du Soleil performer a run for their money. They're ignoring censorship and that's their choice, but we choose to exercise our right to call it out and express our outrage in the comments. That shouldn't be a problem
Comments sections aren't a positivity echo chamber where only praise is allowed. They're a place for all voices, happy or unhappy
A little bit of gay romance on TV can turn the world upside down, I'm saying this as a gay woman
Why did the producers remove something small? They figured it would drop a glitter bomb on homophobes and change something. They didn't want to risk it and be that change
"And it's not like two women could really be out as a couple in the 50s"
Gay people and couples existed in the 50s. Society pretended they didn't exist because they didn't fit into societal norms
History is full of hidden stories, it's up to us to explore them. If we can cook up stories about wizards, mermaids and time-traveling toasters, we can include gay romance in a historical setting
We're not changing the course of history or rewriting the Declaration of Independence in drag, we're uncovering a treasure trove of hidden emotions, socially forbidden desires and whispered confessions. We're acknowledging a part of history that's erased and celebrating the courage of those who dared to love their same sex despite the odds
"... this is not the right drama for GL"
Every drama is the right drama for some GL
"I would like it if it had two women in love"
You claim to want a GL romance, then immediately dismiss the possibility. Make up your mind, lady!
Playing a gender is just a ROLE.Just like someone playing a serial killer role isn't a serial killer in real life…
The loss of the girl-girl romance is a real shame
I do agree with your point on the gender-swap dress-up. Women playing male characters onstage doesn't signal some personal identity struggle. We can debate the believability of the performance (men playing male roles or women playing female roles is a more authentic, believable performance, as the performer can draw on their own experiences and perspectives to bring depth to the character), but we can't assume they're trans and doubting their womanhood
We'll stop obsessing over GL/BL once TV stops obsessing over "straightness" and treating gay love like Voldemort…
We're sparking conversations and building awareness among viewers. Change in the entertainment industry begins with reshaping audience attitudes and habits. For example, through conscious withdrawal of viewership or financial support, we viewers can communicate that the removal of gay romances is an objectionable practice
Every complaint we make is a seed. You never know when they'll sprout into something bigger
If nothing else, we're providing free entertainment for those reading the comments. You're welcome
We'll stop obsessing over GL/BL once TV stops obsessing over "straightness" and treating gay love like Voldemort…
If you're going to keep complaining about us complaining, go back to watching black-and-white TV. Why are you holding the rest of our TVs hostage?
Change doesn't come from playing it safe. It comes from challenging the status quo
We should give viewers—young and old—the chance to see and embrace love in different colors. Besides, some older people might surprise you and be cool with gay dramas/movies. We can't underestimate them
Why I mention here, that disgusting user mention blank on 23.5. If you guys don’t like blank, just ignore it,…
Fantasy elements aren't my cup of potion, it's not weird for me to have reservations about the "best couples" you mentioned. Edward and Bella? More like Edward and Jailbait
Fiction is open to analysis and critique. I'm not treating problematic fictional "relationships" as real. If I were, I would be sending Bella to therapy for her daddy issues, reporting Edward for grooming and starting a petition to get Superman to attend a workplace harassment seminar for "dating" his colleague
What am I doing? I'm discussing the content of fiction and pointing out the ridiculousness of it. A non-human is said to have the hots for a human, I’m going to ask questions
well yeah, but it's not replaced with male love interest, in that case I would get the outrage, but romance is…
Your plan would send a strong message that we won't stand for censorship, all while giving this female-centered drama the attention and recognition it deserves. I'm on board with it. It's the perfect balance of protest and promotion
In addition to subpar marketing, Disney+ don't seem to get that they can't just make a bunch of dense political…
Nam Joo Hyuk brought his A-game to "Vigilante." He scowled, he thirsted for justice, and he looked good doing it. Danger suits him
I'm not convinced that "romance" alone is the right path to take. It's a popular genre, but it's not the be-all and end-all of successful content. Disney+ has a track record of thriving in the thriller and mystery genres, and injecting a hint of "romance" into those genres could be the sweet spot for boosting viewership and subscribers, as seen with "Moving"
Straight people always steal from queer media and make it straight so straight scumbags like you can enjoy. Stop…
My condolences for your hurt "straight" feelings. It must be difficult for you to live in a society where one tiny comment on the internet is the biggest problem you face. Here's a tissue for your tears 🧻
they removed the romance,.better this than keeping the character and making them just friends, in my humble opinion...…
Romance doesn't need to be the central focus of a story to be a part of it. The romantic subplot was still a vital element in character development, interpersonal relationships and narrative structure
"Removing the romance" and "making the couple just friends" aren't the only options. What about the option of "keeping the romance and making it more romantic?"
Reducing the romantic relationship between two female or two male characters to "just a friendship" is homophobic and should be met with criticism, but it's a marginally better option than removing the love interest from the narrative. A "friendship" would allow for the possibility of gay undertones and a romantic subplot to arise organically in the story or to be expanded on by the fandom in fan works/edits
I can litterally list a good bunch of extremely popular kdramas with really popular main straight ships that still…
Homophobic comedy, queer-baiting and gay erasure are all serious issues that shouldn't be pitted against each other
The dramas of the past were unacceptable, we can't go back in time to remedy their flaws. What we can do is use our voices to advocate for a more respectful future in television
I'm not pressuring others to abandon the drama or join the boycott. I might watch it myself for the pleasure of Kim Tae Ri's performance, and I believe the all-female setting of the theatre will retain a sense of Sapphic charm in the absence of the main gay romance. I've simply brought attention to the issue of homophobic censorship and voiced my discontent at the constant removal of gay representation
it's not... the romance part wasn't huge part of the webtoon at all, plus it's TV drama... those BL dramas you…
Why don't BLs or GLs make it onto TV? Networks fear their viewers will be turned off by the briefest depiction of a gay couple. This is homophobia in action
The only reason to remove a smidgen of gay romance is if society has the emotional fortitude of a wet tissue and a phobia of anything that doesn't conform to traditional gender roles. Admit it, you're okay with the homophobia. Others, however, might not be. And they are allowed to call it what it is
well yeah, but the romance part wasn't big in webtoon and it's still TV drama, there wouldn't be a kiss most likely,…
"... and how to modify one's body beyond what nature intended (balding and death)"
Trans identifying people aren't maniacal masterminds, rubbing their hands together in glee and mutilating their bodies to outsmart Mother Nature. No matter how many hormones they swallow, or how much surgery they go under, they'll be the same people. They will sprout unsightly bald spots or develop a host of health issues, just like the rest of us in this unnatural modern society
"Freedom" of choice is a thorny issue. I believe that all choices are open to respectful discussion and critique, even if the discussion raises questions about the morality, or lack thereof, of "body modification"
"... it's a bit short, just 5 letters"
It's bigger than the amount of time people spend thinking before they speak
"It's amazing that you've seen some homophobes who are ok with transgender people but not with gays"
I've had the misfortune of being around homophobes my whole life, I've seen every flavor under the sun
I'm living proof that one can survive without "sex." If other people's libidos are driving them crazy, there's always medication to tame that beast
Comments sections aren't a positivity echo chamber where only praise is allowed. They're a place for all voices, happy or unhappy
Why did the producers remove something small? They figured it would drop a glitter bomb on homophobes and change something. They didn't want to risk it and be that change
"And it's not like two women could really be out as a couple in the 50s"
Gay people and couples existed in the 50s. Society pretended they didn't exist because they didn't fit into societal norms
History is full of hidden stories, it's up to us to explore them. If we can cook up stories about wizards, mermaids and time-traveling toasters, we can include gay romance in a historical setting
We're not changing the course of history or rewriting the Declaration of Independence in drag, we're uncovering a treasure trove of hidden emotions, socially forbidden desires and whispered confessions. We're acknowledging a part of history that's erased and celebrating the courage of those who dared to love their same sex despite the odds
"... this is not the right drama for GL"
Every drama is the right drama for some GL
"I would like it if it had two women in love"
You claim to want a GL romance, then immediately dismiss the possibility. Make up your mind, lady!
I do agree with your point on the gender-swap dress-up. Women playing male characters onstage doesn't signal some personal identity struggle. We can debate the believability of the performance (men playing male roles or women playing female roles is a more authentic, believable performance, as the performer can draw on their own experiences and perspectives to bring depth to the character), but we can't assume they're trans and doubting their womanhood
Every complaint we make is a seed. You never know when they'll sprout into something bigger
If nothing else, we're providing free entertainment for those reading the comments. You're welcome
Change doesn't come from playing it safe. It comes from challenging the status quo
We should give viewers—young and old—the chance to see and embrace love in different colors. Besides, some older people might surprise you and be cool with gay dramas/movies. We can't underestimate them
Fiction is open to analysis and critique. I'm not treating problematic fictional "relationships" as real. If I were, I would be sending Bella to therapy for her daddy issues, reporting Edward for grooming and starting a petition to get Superman to attend a workplace harassment seminar for "dating" his colleague
What am I doing? I'm discussing the content of fiction and pointing out the ridiculousness of it. A non-human is said to have the hots for a human, I’m going to ask questions
His chemistry with Lee Joon Hyuk was nothing short of explosive. I half expected the screen to melt every time they shared a scene
I'm not convinced that "romance" alone is the right path to take. It's a popular genre, but it's not the be-all and end-all of successful content. Disney+ has a track record of thriving in the thriller and mystery genres, and injecting a hint of "romance" into those genres could be the sweet spot for boosting viewership and subscribers, as seen with "Moving"
Reducing the romantic relationship between two female or two male characters to "just a friendship" is homophobic and should be met with criticism, but it's a marginally better option than removing the love interest from the narrative. A "friendship" would allow for the possibility of gay undertones and a romantic subplot to arise organically in the story or to be expanded on by the fandom in fan works/edits
The dramas of the past were unacceptable, we can't go back in time to remedy their flaws. What we can do is use our voices to advocate for a more respectful future in television
I'm not pressuring others to abandon the drama or join the boycott. I might watch it myself for the pleasure of Kim Tae Ri's performance, and I believe the all-female setting of the theatre will retain a sense of Sapphic charm in the absence of the main gay romance. I've simply brought attention to the issue of homophobic censorship and voiced my discontent at the constant removal of gay representation
The only reason to remove a smidgen of gay romance is if society has the emotional fortitude of a wet tissue and a phobia of anything that doesn't conform to traditional gender roles. Admit it, you're okay with the homophobia. Others, however, might not be. And they are allowed to call it what it is
Trans identifying people aren't maniacal masterminds, rubbing their hands together in glee and mutilating their bodies to outsmart Mother Nature. No matter how many hormones they swallow, or how much surgery they go under, they'll be the same people. They will sprout unsightly bald spots or develop a host of health issues, just like the rest of us in this unnatural modern society
"Freedom" of choice is a thorny issue. I believe that all choices are open to respectful discussion and critique, even if the discussion raises questions about the morality, or lack thereof, of "body modification"
"... it's a bit short, just 5 letters"
It's bigger than the amount of time people spend thinking before they speak
"It's amazing that you've seen some homophobes who are ok with transgender people but not with gays"
I've had the misfortune of being around homophobes my whole life, I've seen every flavor under the sun