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Wow. Me too. I thought the ML was the astronaut. I think it got interesting by having a female lead play as the astronaut, which usually goes to ML. A story worth wait.

Well, I wouldn't mind if thats the storyline. I find warmth in such stories.

I don't think they are dating. Actually, none of the cast members are.

I think this episode brought out Gyu Min's personality more. I wouldn't say he was likeable, but he was relatable.
ik theres a whole ass hate train for gyumin but honestly i see and understand what hes doing even if i dont agree with his outwardly actions. somewhere across the line, if you loved someone, you will have a heart for the things that once was.

when i dated someone, there were times everything was really good, happy and things that you hold on to your heart it a very wholesome way but once you dont feel the same for that person, the present will be different even if you embraced your past. the person i had dated was a good person and wasn't like horrible, abusive, nasty etc so i have positive regards to that person even if the feelings are different.

even though in gyumin's case he couldnt simply pick if he wanted to pusue her or not (dropping "hints" but also pushing her away), theres a line of things that we dont know about that has caused his love to change and simply leave him with the things that once were, happy, innocent bright smile not only did she have, but he did too. though he gets jealous and a part of him wants her, he has a lot more sentimental love over her rather than a present romantic love.

while he had chances, life and choices arent easy and you make moves that dont benefit yourself or others sometimes. relationships are complicated and so are the people involved. one might think, why did he hold himself back then? but it must be reminded that people make different decisions for many different reasons. gyumin had his beliefs that it would be better for haeeun to move on and smile brighter but a part of him he didnt understand before, held him back now, like naeon mentioned at one point, gyumin doesnt know how to be honest. not with others, not with himself, making his decisions not easily liked by the audience

Just why? The last couple of episodes made him look so lonely. Most of the guys there like him but I find him to be soo lonely. Now I am wondering how Coco from last season made it. I didn't notice if she ever got lonely. She has to be the strongest lady in dating reality show.

The criticism is valid but it doesn't warrant hate. @Dreamy, this is what I meant.

I can agree with you to some extend. But I wouldn't say that she was or not the engine of the relationship. People express themselves differently. There's hyper personality, who express themselves more in a relationship, while others are guarded and defensive. It depends on your dating style. I believe what you meant to say was that Ha Eun was more invested in the relationship than Gyu Min. I think thats true from the photos and videos. By using that logic I think love was reciprocated only that Ha Eun was more invested.
I do not want to judge Ha Eun's actions. I do not want to say that she missed dignity in her actions. Tae I calls her Pabo meaning a fool coz of her actions. I won't comment about that coz I understand where she is coming from.
But I definitely think she needs to learn when to fight and let go of a relationship. No matter how sweet it was, sometimes you have to say goodbye,

Also, all those things you mentioned such as guilt tripping her, manipulating his words, etc. are all actions of someone that is holding a grudge. You won't do that if you cared about that person. He may be seeking to hurt Ha Eun for her to feel the hurt he felt. That doesn't mean she is a bad person or she did something wrong. Maybe Ha Eun just did not live up to his expectations. It can be that simple.
I know you want to believe that Gyu Min is a bad person that only wants to hurt a perfect little human being. So out of nowhere, Gyu Min just decided to go and hurt her, just because he feels like it. Thats the story that fits your argument.
No. Thats not what happens in relationships. Normally, people get hurt by something you said, or did , which can turn a relationship sour. The other party may be so hurt, like lets say Gyu Min's case, and completely become nasty. We all agree that Gyu Min's method is not right on so many levels.
I just chose not to crucify him like you all are doing coz I understand how relationships can turn sour.

Now we are circling back to where we started. No one is defending Gyu Min's actions. Also, I don't know how you got the impression that I am throwing shade for criticizing him. At this point, I think you have such a strong viewpoint about him that you are completely upset if anyone counters your argument. Yes, for a millionth time, Gyu Min should have done better given the situation.
So my comment says, You chose to criticize his action while I chose to learn from his actions. I wouldn't treat my ex like that under any circumstance.
Also, I need you to understand that in every action there's a reaction. You were not there when Gyu Min and Ha Eun met and dated. So you shouldn't speak for either of them. You don't know what happened between them and turned their relationship sour. Also, understand that it may have nothing to do with personality. Sometimes people break up due to misunderstandings and one party can end up hurt.
All Gyu Min's action towards his ex was wrong. He may have been hurt or something. Maybe he did all those actions you mentioned intentionally to hurt his ex, which I repeat isn't right. Also, understand that it can be because he wants to revenge/ make his ex feel the same hurt he felt.
There's no way we can prove my assumptions because I was not there when they met and decided to date. But you cannot tell me that she couldn't have hurt Gyu Min because she is a nice person. Even good people can hurt someone in a relationship just by the basic understanding that they did not meet their expectations. So I won't belittle Gyu Min feelings nor Ha Eun. The reason may have been petty to me and you, but if that thing hurt him, I can understand that is from his perspective.

I understand what you are saying . You are free to give your judgement since its for public consumption. That's alright, darling. I am not a guru in relationships. I make mistakes. I have dated a few times so I know how different a person behaves in a relationship. Someone may be a good person but definitely not for a relationship. That's why you can see someone nice but they are just not for you. You may clash based on the values and perceptions that you both have, e.g. on Money, kids and time. Even if you both break up your difference in values and ideas is the determining factor.

So my judgement is based on the fact that I am not soo innocent when it comes to relationships. I see myself in all those members. So I try to watch the show not with a judgement eyes but with an understanding one. I always want to understand what may drive someone to do something. So unlike you, I don't watch it to actually praise or criticize the individuals but to learn from them.
So I can't really give a strong view about someone I watch in the show. I think its because I tend to think that could have been me. So, I cant judge coz I am not perfect either. Its okay for you share your views. Its totally alright. That's just my stand.

Nope nope. I did not imply that Ha Eun cheated. Please go back and read my comment again. I know and you know that you read it halfway. That is why you gave this response. You are replying as if I am for Gyu Min and opposed to Ha Eun. But if you read it keenly, you will understand that I am against the massive hate he is receiving. My argument is on the nature of relationships rather than Gyu Min's actions. You didn't read my comment that is why you are too focused on the former.
Also I gave an example of misunderstanding in relationships that can make them break up. I don't know where you are getting the idea I said Ha Eun cheated. Also, I am making assumptions. That's not the actual story coz I don't think they actually revealed it. Only bits of it. So I gave you that example to act as a mind opener to help you understand how relationships work/are. Please read my comment again. Stop skimming. Thats why you didn't get my point.

I bet your comment means that since Ha Eun is such a nice lady, she did nothing wrong to Gyu Min. I am not arguing whether she did or not. In a relationship or love, people become petty. So lets just say Gyu Min was petty. And yes, Ha Eun is a nice lady, she did not do something like intentionally hurt or insult him. But we are assuming Gyu Min is petty. So lets say Ha Eun is always busy and doesn't pay much attention to their relationship (that's not something bad that can make a nice lady like Ha Eun not nice). But Gyu Min is hurt coz she is not close to him when he wants her to be (Just cause Gyu Min is petty or unreasonable but not a bad guy. Maybe under different circumstance like not having a friend around he would have understood. So, yes, he is not a bad guy).
And because of that Ha Eun and Gyu Min break up. Gyu Min is left hurt, Ha Eun too. So Gyu Min feels like Ha Eun did not care for him. So everything he shared with her feels meaningless. But in real sense, Ha Eun cares/loves him a lot. But Gyu Min doesn't know that or can't accept that cause by experience he feels she doesn't.
You can see from that scenario, no one is actually a bad person. Gyu Min is unreasonable to his lover but is actually kind to everyone else. Its like Ji Soo. She is actually toxic to Won Bin.
But Jisoo has pretty a warm smile and cheerful character. But is super unreasonable to Won Bin. Maybe, thats what Love is.

Hello Dreamy. Nowhere in my comment I mentioned that I support Gyu Min's action . But I will only add one thing to your comment. We are all good people. Trust me, most of us are if not all, especially to strangers and acquaintances. But in relationships, people are usually mean and selfish. Sometimes love makes us a villain. I don't think if Gyu Min saw someone suffering outside, he would ignore them or be cold to them. But to our loved ones, we tend to be villains either because we hold a grudge for something they did. No, that doesn't have to be something nasty. For example, we can be in a relationship but you don't make time for me or even express yourself like I want you to be. Again, I said love is selfish. You want that someone to behave like you expect them to. If they don't, you feel hurt. Relationships are hard that's why something like not living to ones expectations can damage their relationship. So @Dreamy at times personality doesn't matter much in a relationship. So YES Ha Eun she's a nice lady, we all love her. But a relationship has nothing to do with it. That would have been so if it was a criminal case. Then we would look at her personality.
But in the show, did you see Gyu Min doing anything bad or something that makes you have a bad impression of him, well except the obvious, his ex. So yes, Gyu Min may not be a bad person, but he is cold to his ex. Well, thats because love can be petty and selfish. People act based on impulse rather than judgement. By all means, Gyu Min is unreasonable and toxic. But that doesn't mean he is a bad person. He takes care of people in the house too. Again, I am not justifying Gyu Min's actions. People be kind to your exes, even the ones who hurt you the most. At least, that should be something you learnt from Gyu Min.

Also, my good people, you can go watch that show and listen to that song if you haven't. The show is actually beautiful if you are patient enough to watch a few episodes to get a clear picture.

I don't know, I always feel like siding with the weaker side when everyone is gang hating on them. I feel like sympathizing with Gyu Min. I mean he is the official villain of the show. Most of us started the show liking him but its a bit funny how the tables have turned. I also feel like if his ex wasn't on the show, his image wouldn't have been this bad. I guess its impossible for him to care for Ha Eun when he doesn't have feelings for her. Also, to be that cold, it means that their break up wasn't that amicable. He must be holding a grudge. Does anyone know why the broke up? For Ha Eun to still be in love with him even with his cold treatment, it means that he must have been sweet in their relationship.
P.S.
that reminds of 'Our Beloved Summer' kdrama and V's "Christmas tree" song . The female lead in that Kdrama had a cold personality. You won't like her at first glance. I couldn't relate to her character well. But I liked how the show pushed the idea that "There's a side to you that I only know".
You couldn't tell why the male lead was still hung over her even after they broke up. But to my surprise, the girl was actually sweet in the relationship. We had flashback scenes where we saw how she used to treat the guy. I was surprised how sweet she was and she understood him the best.
And that's the side only him knew even when his bestfriend called him a fool for her.
Anyway, point his, maybe Ha Eun and Gyu Min had a deeper relationship than what we are actually seeing or hearing. There's a side of Gyu Min that only Ha Eun knows. So lets all support them for their happiness and be a little forgiving and understanding.

What about Heedo and Jiyeon? You're not on that ship, Lol.

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Thank You! @gCell at Work

Are you guessing or you actually confirmed. There are no subs in those sites you mentioned. If you tried to play one video, even though it says its subbed you'll understand its not.

Exactly. How could she compare losing job and dying? That logic didn't make sense. I really sympathized with that father so if I was in her shoes I would have done right with him. Even if I lose my job, I can try my luck elsewhere. But losing your life, that's entirely different. You can't go back from that. And if she was that afraid to expose it, she should have shared with the detectives. I mean they were ready to sacrifice their lives/job to help an innocent father reunite with his daughter. I finished the entire show but till now I haven't forgotten what she did. The writers didn't have to do the female lead that way. They completely tarnished her image which took time to build from the first episode.