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It is also one of my chief complaint. They don't really explore on why the ml falls for fl. It's like ok , he is the ml so it is obvious that he would fall for the fl. They show a tid bits of their first meeting and a bit of their interaction. But I want to know how he fell in love with her? What made him fall in love so much that he still unconditionally loves her for all these years. What was the reason for his resolve and dedication? I want to see it through his perspective.
Like the way the ml does things for fl that makes even the viewers fall for him, I also wanted to see things that fl does for ml that will make him fall in love.
Although it's a good drama but it would be better if they also explore on that part.

Thanks for all the replies 😊

Well then , does any of the concubines have any major role in the story?

Well you can't possibly be trying to tell me to read the whole novel, right? 😅

Can you tell me who are the concubines ? Are their name listed in the cast list?

Can you tell me who are the concubines ? Are their name listed in the cast list?

Does it have any Love triangle or any SML

I saw a clip where the FL was kissing with the other guy. What is the context of this? Do they have feeling for each other?

Are cui jiu and cui xing Zhou related?

Who is cui jiu?

Well most of them are watching it from the perspective of li rong and they sympathise with her character. Due to this they don't really care whatever shit is happening to ML or how his whole personality is now trying to get attention from FL because it makes them feel superior when the ML is trying so hard.

Well most of them are watching it from the perspective of li rong and they sympathise with her character. Due to this they don't really care whatever shit is happening to ML or how his whole personality is now trying to get attention from FL because it makes them feel superior when the ML is trying so hard.

And also first impression plays a huge role on how you will perceive the whole story. Maybe your first impression was good but mine was not such so I find the faults more highlighted when I watched the drama.

Well it seems our perceptions differ fundamentally. It is also not by obligation to convince you nor I am trying to. I just said what I experienced while watching the show just as you presented your view point. You felt it was a good relationship I felt it was not. You looked over the whole show as a happy ending, which it is actually but I gave more emphasis on their daily interaction ,her gestures to him in daily life activities. And I felt it was not so wholesome, that's it.

That's basically the same thing. He can retaliate but there will be consequences of it but the FL can do whatever she wants without any consequences because at the end the ML will cozy up to her no matter what it was. And if you are talking about explanation as apologies, well she doesn't even do that. That's the whole thing we see in the drama. ML Putting most of the efforts. And their conflicts get resolved quickly because it's the ML who is doing all the work of being submissive and doing things to subdue her anger. I don't like it when only one of them put efforts and other just takes things for granted. And about the army at least her men didn't die. And her father being crazy is a sad thing I understand but the problem arises when she blames the ML for everything in their relationship and surrounding. All the things the ML does in the drama is just getting the blame , cozying up to her, saving her as a hero. And you are talking about the FL as if she did a honor by being in a relationship with the ML. And about you being a 40 year old man doesn't mean you will see the story on ML's pov by default. It's about who you sympathise with among the characters in the drama. As a example I have watched itaewon class (a kdrama ) in the 2FL's pov . I sympathise with her character, I didn't really liked the ML'S character.

Let's take LCF's death . He died she blamed ML . And it is justifiable. But what about the ML ? What about the army that he lost. The FL thought of LCF as a brother but what about the army that he killed. Aren't they also like a brother to him ? Only she is allowed to vent and blame people and others just have to cozy up to her . And the drama does a exceptionally good job trying to portray the problems of the FL and make the viewer's sympathise with her while the problems of ML are not of so much concern or smaller than the FL. So because of power dynamics it is justifiable that the ML is grovelling at the feet of FL. Really? And you are talking about getting over way too fast. But you are not talking about the constant apologies the ML need to make for her. And the maid always complaining about how he treats the FL while he is basically behaving like a puppy to get her acknowledgement. And my point still stands you didn't watched the drama from the ML's pov you just watched it as it was depicted. And cdramas and kdrama always try to justify the FL's actions . As their main viewers are female. And you are taking about she didn't need ML for her ambition well I don't remember I have mentioned it anywhere. But does that mean she is free to do whatever she wants. And she was the one who started this crown prince business.
And her absence of efforts in resolving a problem between her and ML and the constant spineless behaviour from the ML made the show even more hard to watch. Her army was disbanded so she became hysterical but when half of ML's army was destroyed. What about then? But no the ML should save the one who did that. Why? Is only her army precious? And you are talking about sacrifice well it didn't really affected me after seeing her personality the whole drama. Talking about the palace do you think only the FL has to face the problems? And the ML would just love happily. Both will be in schemes, in danger and that is obvious as they are highest authority in the nation. And talking about freedom do you think the ML would restrict her from anything? He literally behaves like a puppy infront of her. She is not like a normal concubine who is restricted from everything. And do you she only suffered in this? Well no there plenty of benefits being an empress.

Well I would have applaud to her if she really gave up the army as you said. But what do we see ? We see her throwing tantrums knowing that they can't keep the army anymore. Blaming the ML for it while the ML didn't even wished for it . It was her who constantly coerced the ML for that position. And deciding what's right for others and then throwing tantrums after the consequences is not praiseworthy.
"If he gave up crying something along the lines of she doesn't get me, why i'm even with her. etc., why would anyone watch character like that." Exactly my point , as you don't want a ML who just behaves immaturely and cries I also don't like a FL who just only know how to blame others and a ML who just grovel at her feet and try to please her. Yes there was no " till love do us part " thing and I am not even talking about that. All I am asking is a mature FL who admits her mistakes, doesn't throw tantrums, doesn't always blames the ML for everything and doesn't behaves like a victim. Just because one wants to pursue others doesn't mean he has to take all the blame. And I read godscows comment. While he is kinda right but he didn't unveiled the whole dynamics. Just cherrypicking the lines and emphasising on that makes the FL seem great . But doesn't truly explain the underlying conflicts , the interaction between the ML and FL .

It would have been all good if only her attitude towards the ML was half as good as ML's attitude towards her. Outrightly being stubborn, emotionally manipulative, and unapologetic most of the time as I have mentioned in my previous comment. These are not what anyone would like in their partner. Why the ML has to take blame of all the bad consequences while it was mainly her decision or he has no direct involvement with the reason. Behaving like a victim and throwing tantrums doesn't make me see her as a mature character. It's just looks like a toxic relationship. Where the ML is always on the submissive side most of the time. Growling at her feet and apologising even when it was not his fault. She behaves like a spoiled child. Maybe they wanted to depict a ML who is always emotionally strung along by the FL. You will realise my point if you watch the drama from the ML's pov. Sometimes it's just feels like why is he even with her.

It would have been all good if only her attitude towards the ML was half as good as ML's attitude towards her. Outrightly being stubborn, emotionally manipulative, and unapologetic most of the time as I have mentioned in my previous comment. These are not what anyone would like in their partner. Why the ML has to take blame of all the bad consequences while it was mainly her decision or he has no direct involvement with the reason. Behaving like a victim and throwing tantrums doesn't make me see her as a mature character. It's just looks like a toxic relationship. Where the ML is always on the submissive side most of the time. Growling at her feet and apologising even when it was not his fault. She behaves like a spoiled child. Maybe they wanted to depict a ML who is always emotionally strung along by the FL. You will realise my point if you watch the drama from the ML's pov. Sometimes it's just feels like why is he even with her.

But in most part of the drama you can obviously see who is the one that is constantly throwing tantrums as I also mentioned about them in my previous comment. Conflicts between the leads were frustrating, in most cases it would have the same pattern with FL being upset, ML growling at her feet and after repeated attempts by ML it would be resolved without any effort by FL. I ignored it the first time this happened but later on I realized that the writers don't think that FL was wrong at all .Relationships, particularly romantic ones, shouldn't be only about what you can get from the other person and I feel like their chemistry was ruined by her transactional nature. Cui Lin is just like Gu Wanniang, it just so happens that our male lead likes her instead of Gu. For both of them, it's all about what they can get out of the situation and person.