10joyboy

Thank you, I appreciate it.
Can you remember which dramas have an FL who loves the ML as much as he loves her, or even more?
Because what I’ve realized after watching many C-dramas and mini C-dramas is that the MLs almost always fall first and harder. They love unconditionally and have to fight the SML for the FL, while the FL has other things that seem more important. She doesn’t fall for the ML until the very end, and even if she does love him, she doesn’t say it. Meanwhile, the ML just keeps giving without receiving anything in return 😅 and to be honest I don't like that I like equality in love and both make effort to make the other happy. thank you

so is all his dramas he's simping from start to finish without getting anything back and jealous of sml, and fl don't trust him till the end or he even get killed so she can feel guilty a little bit ?

and if you know short Cdrama with fls also love ml deeply , and don't have misunderstandings and stupid love triangle at least fl have boundaries with him . thank you I appreciate it

this kind of drama they kill the ml so she regret a little bit and fell sorry after all what he did for her and how much she take advantage of him and that's it, oh boy if she also has to be with sml for her stupid revenge the poor ml will suffer because he fall for her from start to finish lol

is the fl dating the sml and will marry him !? or she's still liking ml !? thank you

so you saying after 38 episodes they still not even dating!? waw , don't tell me she's dating the other ml !!! or they still in the useless love triangle!? thank you

it's a Cdrama so never expect fls to do anything like that or apologize lol , and mls are weak and have no backbone in insucure just seeing her with sml he afraid to lose her so he runs to her lol and still has to do everything in the relationship and say yes to everything she says or it's bad for him , like the first and last time he said no to something she ordered him to do and he didn't do it , she breakup with him 😅

To be honest with you, I enjoy discussions and talking about dramas in general and also the ones I dislike and it's not because of the plot, or the acting, or the actors, but because of how they portray the male lead , they turn him into a man without dignity, a loser, while the female lead is treated as the center of the universe, the male lead worships her as if she were the last woman on earth and loses all backbone just because he loves her, and stopped his life when she lives her life , and when she comes back he say Why are you Soo late I missed you 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨.

Are there still some tropes they haven’t used yet? Mention them, so the writers don’t forget to include them in the next two episodes. Why not? More tropes are good for the health of viewers who saying this is the best rom-com 😅😂😂.

mls simps in kdrama and Cdrama to a degree of making me as a man watching want to slap them some dignity and self-respect

"Road Home" has a slow-burn romance, but both leads truly perfect for each other, and love each other equally , That’s why it’s one of my favorite C-dramas.

Especially the FL I rarely see a character like her in C-dramas or Kdramas She’s independent, strong, and have her great job , yet she still gives back emotionally and loves just as deeply and not making her job or career before the ml like most of this fls do .

because majority of viewers like that shit, and ml making a joke of himself because he's insucure about her , and she don't say anything because she's that low in her EQ , and it's comedy scenes for some that see two men fighting for a fl , and it's so cringe men like them become so childish and fight like they fight over a toy,
mls in dramas they have allergy of other women expect fl,but fl collect men around her and friendzone some and chose one , lol

Because I enjoy it because it's So frustration to watch the drama .
And I believe what I said is the truth: she’s the one who decided, and her discussing it with him is just let him know what she wants especially that she get married and it was a bad experience, so he understands her decision .

It’s a cliché, and logically speaking, how would a young man who worships his woman not want to marry her? 😅
Are you trying to make me disbelieve my knowledge of C-drama simps!?

Sorry for bothering you and for taking your time. Goodbye.

and that's what I'm talking about"she didn't properly apologizing", and her make the relationship public is funny lol another decision he has no say about 😅. thank you but I can't watch tropes after tropes and ml just there to love fl and she decided everything in the relationship and I bet she's the one who decided not to get married again, not him . have a good night

thank you also , I appreciate your patience 😅, I know it , unfortunately another cliché kdrama, and let's stop here because it's a big frustration for me how romance comedy in kdrama recently. bye 👍

I’m not mad at women as a group only stupid people get mad at men or women as a group. I never said anything about women in general; I’m talking about FL characters, and MLs too. you see as i criticizing FLs, I also criticize MLs.

And no, I didn’t get cheated on, so don’t feel sorry for me. If I’m wrong about what I said, you can tell me “you’re wrong” and explain what is right. Don’t just say my interpretation is insane and leave it at that.

What I said is that it’s insane that she leaves him, gets married, and after 10 years she comes back, and he still waits for her indirectly , can’t move on , becomes an alcoholic, and she acts like she didn’t do anything wrong. Show me where I’m wrong, and believe me , if I am wrong, I will correct my opinion.

I’m not saying this because I hate women or men. It’s because I don’t enjoy watching simps or toxic FLs or MLs. That’s it. It’s all about the show, not women or men.( and if you want to discuss that it's okay , but I believe you don't , so let us only on the show)

Just like you probably don’t like watching weak, doormat FLs with toxic MLs I suppose , I don’t like watching simps or MLs without personality or dignity that do everything in the relationship and before and after while fl act like she's the princess needs saving and she don't do wrong . That’s all.

don't blame me you giver me the permission 😅😂

Thank you. I agree with you that it’s the man’s job to pursue the woman, but what is her role? Just to accept him?
This is exactly what I have a problem with. I like being a traditional man, but if you do this with a modern woman, it feels like simping to me , because you do everything while getting nothing in return.

We see in this drama the ML cooking, cleaning the dishes , and taking care of her because of her suffering. But what did she do for him when she knew he suffered and became an alcoholic because of her? She blamed him and said, “Do you say it's my fault!?”
Is this how you support the person you love? And is this how you apologize?

I disagree with you when you say it’s not her business how he dealt with the breakup. It wasn’t even a breakup. She left without ending things properly and she did it twice, not just once. She didn’t care to explain anything. If it’s not her business? why does she come back to him, forcing herself into his life, expecting him to accept her and act like nothing happened?

And no one said that a traditional woman means she is uneducated, can’t work, or has to be weak. She can be the strongest woman outside, but still do her duties like the traditional man doing,
Just like in dramas: MLs are strong, CEOs, cold to the world but with the FL, he is soft, caring, loves her unconditionally, does everything to please her, and tolerates many things that would make any man angry. He lets it go because he loves her.

But I rarely see an FL like this. Except for a few K-dramas and C-dramas I’ve watched, most of the time it’s just the ML doing everything. That’s why I stopped watching dramas, unfortunately.

And this isn’t only how others see traditional women like you said or she needs a man . I argue that even women themselves are being programmed by modern feminism to think that doing things for your man is weakness, that it puts you beneath him, and that you should have extremely high standards either he treats you like a princess, or you don’t accept him, and it’s 2025, now one-night stands are considered normal
, And believe me I know what you're talking about how the society see the traditional single woman but how someone sees me is not my value or I need to do what they say , because you never make them stop if you did what they want,

Being strong has nothing to do with working a 9-to-5 job, Reducing strength or your value to career only is shallow and I believe you agree with me, and you know how this mindset is being used to create more workers and more taxes. Some even say this was planned. It’s a long discussion about feminism: how it started, its benefits, and its consequences.

I agree with you women often don’t notice this imbalance. They only react when FLs are weak, dormant, or damsels in distress 😅. Everyone sees what benefits them and what hurts them. That’s why you see so many different opinions about calling an ML a “simp” or a “green flag” 🙂.

About her not apologizing , yes, we can find many excuses for her. I could write a long paragraph explaining her point of view. But in reality, she is toxic. Her reasons do not give her the right to make someone else suffer without considering his feelings and situation.

About the dramas you mentioned, I disagree that the FLs were good to the MLs , especially Queen of Tears and Welcome to Samdal-ri.
In the later one, everything revolved around her , the ML existed only to make her happy, help her, and love her unconditionally. His dream at the end was just so she could work peacefully, without him having to give up his job again and follow her to the city. What did she ever do for him? He never needed her for anything except being with her. I don’t remember her doing something meaningful for him , except sacrifice and breaking up with him because his father didn’t want her even that he also did same thing for her 🙃.

And that drama has one of the worst confession scenes I’ve ever seen in K-dramas. When she confessed her love, her “proof” was that she tried to forget him by dating many men and when she was with them she thinks about him and she acting like she suffered more than him, while he stayed single, waiting for her, watching her with other men and defending her from her ex . 🤬😂😂.

As for Queen of Tears, it’s the perfect example of what we discussed earlier. He is “the man” everywhere else, but in front of the FL, he is weak, afraid, almost like a servant to her family blamed for everything. And I won’t even start on the stupid plot at the end. I honestly don’t understand how they thought that was okay after the surgery. It was a complete waste of time. And at the end, the poor ML still suffers she dies first, lol.

The other drama I didn’t watch, but I read that the FL never apologized for making him lose his memories of her. Later, she blamed him for forgetting her and he apologized for it 🤦‍♂️.

So you see even when dramas do some good things, there are always more bad things that the ML has to tolerate. And when I say “ML,” I really mean the viewer me 😂😅. Because the MLs themselves never have a problem; the writers make them think like simps, where the FL’s mistakes don’t matter as long as she’s with him.

That’s why I like Road Home (C-drama), It’s Okay, That’s Love (K-drama), Romance of the Evil Flower, and Forever and Ever (C-drama). One C-drama that made the FL act like the ML was Princess and Lighter. (I disliked the ML once if you watched it, you know the jealousy scene 😮‍💨.)
And there’s another K-drama I like because the FL loved the ML deeply, always apologized for her mistakes it's: her private life.

Anyway, I got carried away again 😅.
I honestly enjoy discussions like this more than the dramas themselves. At least here, I don’t get frustrated over what the ML or FL should or shouldn’t do.

Have a good night

I can’t agree more when it’s a father or a husband taking care of his wife when she truly deserves it. Like the drama picture on my profile , the ML washing her feet was a beautiful scene. It showed care, love, and responsibility.

But in this case, I don’t think she deserves that kind of treatment. That’s why I said it makes him beneath her, when someone keeps giving without receiving anything similar in return , it’s not a romantic relationship anymore it becomes something toxic. and we see that she's really toxic and childish in her thinking

This is very different from the relationship between a father and his daughter, his “princess,” who deserves the world in his eyes. Any normal father feels that way, and do everything he can to make her happy

sorry for the long paragraph 😅 I forget myself ranting.

I agree with some of your points, but her loving him more is possible. However, actions don’t show that. Even if she loves him more, it has no meaning if it’s not shown through her actions. And like you said, he does all that genuinely because he loves her and wants to make her life easier , but why is he the only one doing that!? Is he the only one in love!? and you will agree with me that there no fl in recent kdrama that do a lot for ml without waiting anything from him !? and why always fl that have another relationship after breakup or before being with ml , but ml is virgin or he had a relationship they don't even show !!

And I didn’t talk about being friends with an ex while having a relationship it's crazy if someone accept it (this is not even a discussion for me). I’m talking about being with her after what she did to him. Whether there is another woman or not, at least until she apologizes for what she did, then maybe be friends who just say hi sometimes, lol. But to be her protector and helper, tolerate her toxicity, her high voice, and her blaming him as if she’s perfect as if what he suffered is not because of her is mind-blowing.

And this is not even about a romantic relationship. Even in a platonic relationship, if someone acts like her and someone still stays friends with them, he doesn’t respect himself. So he deserves to be treated like a toy for their pleasure and happiness.

Yes, it’s not supposed to be realistic, but why is it that in these K-dramas, men are supposed to be simps to be considered great partners, while female leads are independent, open-minded, may have had multiple relationships before, and don’t do anything for the male lead , yet he still has to worship her, or else he doesn’t love her enough? I argue that most viewers see this double standard: MLs are expected to be traditional men with modern feminism about what tradition, while FLs are feminist to a degree, wanting the man to do everything, and She doesn’t apologize or make any effort to make the ML happy and act like she deserve the moon and her accept to be with ml is enough for him to be happy , and you can see this double standard how they write fl dealing with sml that for some like this fl in other kdramas, if sml did something like this he lose her to the ml ( and again with the circle of him being simp and ....) this what romance kdramas recently
one of the kdrama have a equal relationship and ml have personality and dignity is: " it's okay that's love " I liked how ml treated fl when she wants to play with him like this toxic fl here, but he stopped her , and have self respect, till she apologize and take first step.

so, is she apologized, like you hope to him for what she did , or they didn't even talk about it and it's just normal for fl to make ml suffer nearly get PTSD, and later he has to apologize and she only take him back after he learn his lesson 🤣😅

MLs are weak and simps only when dealing with the FL, but when it comes to protecting her or in other situations, he suddenly becomes “the man.” That’s because this is what makes most viewers like him and see him as manly and strong. So when he turns into a weak simp toward the FL, it shows that she controls him, directly or indirectly, and makes him simp for her, and like I see women like men have no ego she can play with him like she wants and he do everything to please her even if she don't do anything for him , and it's only acceptable if it's the ml doing it but not fls .

But in my opinion, I would never stay in any kind of relationship with her if she were my ex. That’s what a man with dignity and backbone would do, not simping and defend her , especially from the man she married after leaving him without saying anything. He suffered because of her and even became an alcoholic until he ended up in the hospital. And what’s worse is that she doesn’t even apologize or feel guilty about it. Instead, she blames him for being weak and he can't move on from her .