I'm usually not this serious on social media, but in private, when I want to get an answer on smth I want to ask, or smth that bothers me, I always search for it in scientific papers. This one is beyond doubt, it isn't political, it's published in China, by Chinese telecommunication engineering scholars, which reminds us (after thousands of others on other topics) that we always must use a grain of salt when consulting statistics (before, now statistics largely integrate qualitative tools or at least mention the limits od the surveys) or these more recent AI computing tools: they mean nothing without qualitative analyses.
Those who want to know difference b/w novel and drama. There are quite few:1) Family in drama in good but even…
I'm curious about Janlin (the founder of the Realm Sect), how was he described in the novel? And... did XQ "died" in the novel too, as in the latest ep?
Yea, Douban score is not a metric for a good drama, besides it can be heavily manipulated by both fans and antifans.…
yup. 1, Douban doesn't make any qualitative analysis of the ratings and reviewes 2. This is an early rating, means nothing "before a certain period of time passes after the drama completely aired" 3. Early ratings and reviewes (unless you rate a single episode you've watched) make no sense, it is equivalent to assign a vote to a student's test based on the first answer without checking how he/she answered the remaing 9. It isn't rating, it's pure injustice to a student. 4. Douban cannot only distinguish qualitative contents of reviews and rating, but it also can't track the real feeling about a drama or a movie, especially when the content of a review is different or contraddictory to the rating, as well as it can't distinguish between humans and bots when computes aggregate ratings 5. What you've just stated: why would so many people watch smth they don't like? Douban can't distinguish between a negative view on smth in particular (expressed in a given moment) and the real feeling of the user. That's why the heat index is better when it comes to measuring the interest (ie. feelings) of the audience, but even this index should be taken with the grain of salt, bc. the mere number can never tell anything about the quality (and what the audience treasure as quality)
I've linked above a scientific paper (written by Chinese telecommunication engineering scientists and published in China, so nobody can raise questions of political nature) which explains in detail why we should trust more ourselves than Douban
"the rating mechanism of Douban movie simply calculates mean value of all users rating which does not take into account the emotional inconsistency between users rating and their comments. The mechanism fails to differentiate between the impacts on total scores and the movie reviews of different quality." From the abstract to the scientific paper "Comprehensive Rating Model of Douban Movie Based on Sentiment Analysis" by Yi-Ran Gu and Yu-Yu Su from Nanjing Telecom. University published by IEEE, Shanghai, 2019 Furthermore, this "simple calculative method" makes no distinctions of the period of time (when the ratings and reviews concretely happen), very expected dramas receive early ratings as far as a year before they actually air, that's why it is suggested to take it seriously only after some time after it aired. If you check the Douban's official top list in English, you'll notice a strong prevalence of older (even very old) dramas compared to the recent ones, because they were seen by more people, broadcasted by tv stations and are also more mentioned in aggregated reviews (in which they serve as evaluation measures and comparison tools). The low rating on Douban is therefore expected (and not only bc of the antis troops and - alas! today inevitable rival bots) but also bc. the mechanism doesn't make QUALITATIVE ANALYSIS, it's just an (aggregate) QUANTITATIVE analysis. Before airing or in early stages of drama's progress, users complained (and negatively rated the drama) about the lead actor's pronounciation, criticised him for advertising the drama during his concert, they were unsatisfied for instance with the female lead character (which was objectively not much likeable or relatable) in initial episodes and so on. But all of these should have nothing to do with the objective appreciation, the problem is the mechanism cannot distinguish between important and irrelevant. If I were to rate any drama based on the pronounciation of German, English, French, Italian, Spanish etc., I'd give an insufficiency to all C-dramas I've seen, including certain dramas listed very high on Douban (such as War of Faith), because not only the pronunciation (of both Chinese and foreign actors) was unlistenable, but the lines often made no sense at all. I know Mandarin is a tonal language (if you fail to deliver the correct tone, you may say a word with completely different meaning) and I know the actors are supposed to have impeccable pronounciation of their mother tongue, but Wang Hedi's Mandarin certainly doesn't sound that bad as the German spoken in The War of Faith and I would not even think to underrate that drama for such a reason: if the actors deliver other things (and in case of War of Faith, they didn't even bother to mimic the pronounciation), it's fine. So, don't be discouraged bc of this rating, it's normal, believe your own taste and thought what is entertaining, interesting, well-crafted, well-written, well-directed and well-performed.
why would they sabotage their own product?From which they can also gain a great collateral income, think about…
without a contract, there's no evidence for such an accusation. Espc. because standard contracts always imply the transfer of rights. The only thing that comes to my mind why would Tencent wish to diminish the popularity of the GotD is its similarity to JoL and the season 3 of that drama which they've promised soon. Must think about it, bc as you've reported (I don't doubt about your truthful report), it doesn't make much sense to me
Can someone explain to how xu qi an poem in ep 23 is sarcastic?
The key to understand the poem is its title "Mr Sun on the Sangbo case". Sangbo case is XQ's case, it was entrusted to him by the emperor, and was solved by HIM by delivering a runaway Zhou Chixiong to the court and everybody in the court knows it was a great achievement (he accomplished tnx to the n°2, but that's another story, nobody knows how he fulfilled practically impossible task, after all other leads were cut-killed).
Everybody raises children and wants them to be wise (implying: who comes after me on this case is like a child for me, I mean well to him)
I was ruined by my wisdom. (ie: the rest of the case is taken away from me, because of my wits and skills)
I only wish for my child to be foolish and simple, suffering no hardship or disaster
(ie. so who comes after me should only be a fool and without merits in order not to meet hardship I've gone through - and he would have been executed if he didn't solve the case)
to become a public official/minister (bc public officials/ministers won't meet the hardship if they are fools or play dumb)
This drama is pulling in so many views why the hell is it not crossing 30k heat index on tencent. Now I am 100%…
why would they sabotage their own product? From which they can also gain a great collateral income, think about gadgets of loong (who doesn't want that dragon?), kui, fox lady and other creatures that will come till the end?...
She will come back.Don't worry our ML will be travelling for his cases, maybe they will meet that way.
After the kiss, she runs away leaving him a letter with many thanks for suggesting her "to do what she wants". Call her stupid, he is a hooked fish now. ššš
And... did XQ "died" in the novel too, as in the latest ep?
1, Douban doesn't make any qualitative analysis of the ratings and reviewes
2. This is an early rating, means nothing "before a certain period of time passes after the drama completely aired"
3. Early ratings and reviewes (unless you rate a single episode you've watched) make no sense, it is equivalent to assign a vote to a student's test based on the first answer without checking how he/she answered the remaing 9. It isn't rating, it's pure injustice to a student.
4. Douban cannot only distinguish qualitative contents of reviews and rating, but it also can't track the real feeling about a drama or a movie, especially when the content of a review is different or contraddictory to the rating, as well as it can't distinguish between humans and bots when computes aggregate ratings
5. What you've just stated: why would so many people watch smth they don't like? Douban can't distinguish between a negative view on smth in particular (expressed in a given moment) and the real feeling of the user. That's why the heat index is better when it comes to measuring the interest (ie. feelings) of the audience, but even this index should be taken with the grain of salt, bc. the mere number can never tell anything about the quality (and what the audience treasure as quality)
I've linked above a scientific paper (written by Chinese telecommunication engineering scientists and published in China, so nobody can raise questions of political nature) which explains in detail why we should trust more ourselves than Douban
From the abstract to the scientific paper "Comprehensive Rating Model of Douban Movie Based on Sentiment Analysis" by Yi-Ran Gu and Yu-Yu Su from Nanjing Telecom. University published by IEEE, Shanghai, 2019
Furthermore, this "simple calculative method" makes no distinctions of the period of time (when the ratings and reviews concretely happen), very expected dramas receive early ratings as far as a year before they actually air, that's why it is suggested to take it seriously only after some time after it aired. If you check the Douban's official top list in English, you'll notice a strong prevalence of older (even very old) dramas compared to the recent ones, because they were seen by more people, broadcasted by tv stations and are also more mentioned in aggregated reviews (in which they serve as evaluation measures and comparison tools).
The low rating on Douban is therefore expected (and not only bc of the antis troops and - alas! today inevitable rival bots) but also bc. the mechanism doesn't make QUALITATIVE ANALYSIS, it's just an (aggregate) QUANTITATIVE analysis. Before airing or in early stages of drama's progress, users complained (and negatively rated the drama) about the lead actor's pronounciation, criticised him for advertising the drama during his concert, they were unsatisfied for instance with the female lead character (which was objectively not much likeable or relatable) in initial episodes and so on. But all of these should have nothing to do with the objective appreciation, the problem is the mechanism cannot distinguish between important and irrelevant. If I were to rate any drama based on the pronounciation of German, English, French, Italian, Spanish etc., I'd give an insufficiency to all C-dramas I've seen, including certain dramas listed very high on Douban (such as War of Faith), because not only the pronunciation (of both Chinese and foreign actors) was unlistenable, but the lines often made no sense at all. I know Mandarin is a tonal language (if you fail to deliver the correct tone, you may say a word with completely different meaning) and I know the actors are supposed to have impeccable pronounciation of their mother tongue, but Wang Hedi's Mandarin certainly doesn't sound that bad as the German spoken in The War of Faith and I would not even think to underrate that drama for such a reason: if the actors deliver other things (and in case of War of Faith, they didn't even bother to mimic the pronounciation), it's fine.
So, don't be discouraged bc of this rating, it's normal, believe your own taste and thought what is entertaining, interesting, well-crafted, well-written, well-directed and well-performed.
Sorry if I sound rude, but it makes even less sense
The only thing that comes to my mind why would Tencent wish to diminish the popularity of the GotD is its similarity to JoL and the season 3 of that drama which they've promised soon. Must think about it, bc as you've reported (I don't doubt about your truthful report), it doesn't make much sense to me
Are you sure about it?
She is not malicious to intentionally hook anybody
Sangbo case is XQ's case, it was entrusted to him by the emperor, and was solved by HIM by delivering a runaway Zhou Chixiong to the court and everybody in the court knows it was a great achievement (he accomplished tnx to the n°2, but that's another story, nobody knows how he fulfilled practically impossible task, after all other leads were cut-killed).
Everybody raises children and wants them to be wise
(implying: who comes after me on this case is like a child for me, I mean well to him)
I was ruined by my wisdom.
(ie: the rest of the case is taken away from me, because of my wits and skills)
I only wish for my child to be foolish and simple,
suffering no hardship or disaster
(ie. so who comes after me should only be a fool and without merits
in order not to meet hardship I've gone through - and he would have been executed if he didn't solve the case)
to become a public official/minister
(bc public officials/ministers won't meet the hardship if they are fools or play dumb)
From which they can also gain a great collateral income, think about gadgets of loong (who doesn't want that dragon?), kui, fox lady and other creatures that will come till the end?...