well, great then move on lol idk why are you even telling us since this seems to be your personal view and nothing…
And what have I written? I've said this drama is BETTER than others I've seen of this Grave Robbers' series in terms of production quality, script/dialogues, acting and directing. Ofc., it's my personal view but it is objectified - if not for other things I can argue if you wish - with your own view which seems to be similar if not identical to mine.
I don't know how much it follows the books (a friend of mine commented it's pretty accurate and I believe her) but how much it sticks to the original story is irrelevant to what I've wanted to point out: it must be a good story to be watchable (for me, ofc). Till now, it is, but I am curious whether it will still be watchable when A'Ning appears, bc. her character wasn't particularly convincing in other adaptations I've seen till now and judged as "ok for kids".
This one is more intelligible than The Lost Tomb for people (like me) who hasn't read the novel(s), though it's still a bit draggy with a plot and exaggerated with dark tones and actions in the grave, making it uneasy to watch. I'll wait for Ning to appear in order to decide whether to watch or to drop it, a character which annoyed me the most both in The Lost Tomb (Tiffany Tang) and in Ultimate Note (Hankiz Omar), making me think of these Grave Robbers novels as stories exclusively for kids and dramatised only with a specific purpose of training and notoriety of young actors. No matter how much the production quality, the script/dialogues, acting and directing improve (and objectively they've all improved compared to TLT and UN), with no convincing story to watch, there's nothing to watch, at least for me.
Thank you, it's a mutual joy, I love our "watching a drama together" and then reading your thoughts as…
Lady Ok is truly "ok". 😁I've seen it when it aired but forgot to rate it, remembered when casually stumbled upon it. I think you'll enjoy it even more because it's better for a binge-watch. I don't know what to watch in this moment and propose as "lets' watch and comment this together"... Now I'm after Voyage of Haihun 2", the first part wasn't that that great (wasn't bad either) and ended with a cliffhanger, but the 2nd part is still not listed on MD and we have no room to talk about it. I see we are only watching Bon appetite during we now. Let me know inbox if you find out smth better, pls.
Great review! Enjoy reading it. I enjoyed chatting with you too, cya in other MDL page;)
Thank you, it's a mutual joy, I love our "watching a drama together" and then reading your thoughts as the story progresses! I've liked your review as well and I'm glad our "final thoughts" on FoC are so similar! 🤓❤️
Thanks for this. I wasn't sure about watching the second arc, but now I might just give it a try if it's a realistic…
Well, several people here couldn't continue because of the time switch and I think it's normal: there's a huge societal, cultural and environmental gap between late Republican and early Communist era even in real history, just 20 years feel like 200. Previous attempts to bridge this period of time in a drama regularly failed. Even the HQ production such as The War of Faith failed in the second arc because it glorified CCP ideals, actions etc., it felt like propaganda with nothing wrong about their bad actions (the fault was always with the "reactionary forces") and the narrative logically suffered because individual struggles and pains come after the "greater good", sacrifices are almost taken for granted.
Probably for the first time (as far as I know), we have a (female) INDIVIDUAL struggling because of the new society, which is objectified, with its positive and negative aspects and which is neither good nor bad and is both good and bad at the same time, but the perspective is focused on the FL and on other characters as PERSONS with their problems, pains, inner worlds... juxtaposed to an intrusion, an all-pervasiveness of the "organisation" (CCP) in their lives, frequently adding troubles to their toils. That's why it feels so realistic. The cinematography remained great in the second arc and the narrative made sense all the time. I liked the romance in it, as well, its poiesis and subtleness. Hope you'll like it, too
If been in the fashion production industry in Shanghai for years and I must say, it’s very realistic indeed!
Tnx for sharing your profi opinion on the industry in Shanghai. I've noticed smth similar: objects, decorations and props in the house testifying the change of times like... footprints in the title. I think this drama will remain very decent and well-thought till the very end.
One question 🙋♀️: Are we going to find out what happened to the first couple in the later episodes?
we already know what happened to them: they've emigrated before the Liberation (probably after the Japanese occupation of Shanghai in 1937), presumably living happily ever after in another country. He had money and connections, she had a medical profession, experienced even in managing a hospital, she had lived abroad before etc. What wasn't explained in the drama is how the've get to such a choice... so, I think we should just take it generically as a life choice. We know about them through Yi Yi's story on them, it makes sense she didn't know the reason for this decision also because she lived in Chongqing at the time. Life stories of this trilogy are mainly anchored to a place, to this house which was a wealthy family residence first, then a hospital, a factory (with small residential area) turned into shabby premises for small businesses (with small residential area as well). Ofc., the stories are also connected through the female family connection of different generation, time and challenges.
I caught up to ep 21 and must say I loved the 2nd arc exactly as the 1st. The script is well written to fit into 10 eps per arc, there was no drop in the overall production quality (narrative, acting, directing, camerawork, music...) as it happened in the War of Faith when the story turned from Republican to Communist era in Shanghai. The plot and dialogues, although simplified and some times overdramatised to fit into the format, are credible and sufficient both to characterise persons involved and realistically depict the time and the environment. Probably, the story in the 2nd arc is closest to real historical setting I've seen of this period in a Chinese drama (also because it avoided to deepen certain events and purges in the first 5 years of Communist takeover, while how the Cultural Revolution impacted the story was only hinted and not particularly deepened). Two actresses impersonating Yi Yi are both great and physically alike. Directing and the camerawork in particular mantain the aestethics and shooting frames (which give retro vibes) from the previous arc. If the 3rd arc connects well with the rest, I'll rate this drama at least 9
Yang Xue’s rigidness will soon get him into trouble, think that’s what happened and he was suspended from…
Exactly. Besides, throughout the 2nd arc, it was sufficiently hinted he he had a heavy OCD, combined probably with other mental issues. We don't need to see what (kind of sh*t) exactly he caused, his obsessions naturally isolated him (we see he was disliked by everybody except by Mrs Fang even before) and his state of mind was furtherly aggravated by alcolhol abuse. YQ was checking on him from time to time, out of pity. There are other things in the plot that were maybe oversimplified or remained unexplained because of the short format (10 eps cca per arc), but we've got a sufficient (satisfactory and logical) explanation on his downhill trajectory and how he ended up. This short insert/dialogue with YQ was even a sort of extra, maybe the scriptwriter wanted to explain he was not connected directly with the cultural revolution events which caused hardships to Wen and Yi Yi
A lot of people don't like it as much after ep 10/11 because it moves on from Jelly Lin and Cheng Lei, their characters…
Thank you again. I'll try to catch up and then we can discuss it together. In the first arc, I also like the dynamics among "three brothers", their peculiar entanglement with politics of the time and, although the story is not about politics, I am curious how the different political times/issues impact the overall plot and narrative.
A lot of people don't like it as much after ep 10/11 because it moves on from Jelly Lin and Cheng Lei, their characters…
Oh, I see, thank you very much. Indeed, they make an interesting couple. Could be other actors fall behind as leads, but how's the story in the next arc?
I absolutely loved the portrayal of Jin An slowly showing hints of Prince Annan's demeanor. Its shown really subtle…
It's a piece of cake for this actor to play Annan, his usual roles were all such cold, detached, even cruel personalities. The real surprise here is how he convincingly delivered Jin'an's sweet and playful character and "wolverine" black man transformation, both characters out of his comfort zone. His acting skills truly shine in SL
I don't know how much it follows the books (a friend of mine commented it's pretty accurate and I believe her) but how much it sticks to the original story is irrelevant to what I've wanted to point out: it must be a good story to be watchable (for me, ofc). Till now, it is, but I am curious whether it will still be watchable when A'Ning appears, bc. her character wasn't particularly convincing in other adaptations I've seen till now and judged as "ok for kids".
I'll wait for Ning to appear in order to decide whether to watch or to drop it, a character which annoyed me the most both in The Lost Tomb (Tiffany Tang) and in Ultimate Note (Hankiz Omar), making me think of these Grave Robbers novels as stories exclusively for kids and dramatised only with a specific purpose of training and notoriety of young actors.
No matter how much the production quality, the script/dialogues, acting and directing improve (and objectively they've all improved compared to TLT and UN), with no convincing story to watch, there's nothing to watch, at least for me.
I don't know what to watch in this moment and propose as "lets' watch and comment this together"... Now I'm after Voyage of Haihun 2", the first part wasn't that that great (wasn't bad either) and ended with a cliffhanger, but the 2nd part is still not listed on MD and we have no room to talk about it. I see we are only watching Bon appetite during we now. Let me know inbox if you find out smth better, pls.
Probably for the first time (as far as I know), we have a (female) INDIVIDUAL struggling because of the new society, which is objectified, with its positive and negative aspects and which is neither good nor bad and is both good and bad at the same time, but the perspective is focused on the FL and on other characters as PERSONS with their problems, pains, inner worlds... juxtaposed to an intrusion, an all-pervasiveness of the "organisation" (CCP) in their lives, frequently adding troubles to their toils. That's why it feels so realistic. The cinematography remained great in the second arc and the narrative made sense all the time. I liked the romance in it, as well, its poiesis and subtleness. Hope you'll like it, too
I think this drama will remain very decent and well-thought till the very end.
What wasn't explained in the drama is how the've get to such a choice... so, I think we should just take it generically as a life choice. We know about them through Yi Yi's story on them, it makes sense she didn't know the reason for this decision also because she lived in Chongqing at the time.
Life stories of this trilogy are mainly anchored to a place, to this house which was a wealthy family residence first, then a hospital, a factory (with small residential area) turned into shabby premises for small businesses (with small residential area as well). Ofc., the stories are also connected through the female family connection of different generation, time and challenges.
The plot and dialogues, although simplified and some times overdramatised to fit into the format, are credible and sufficient both to characterise persons involved and realistically depict the time and the environment. Probably, the story in the 2nd arc is closest to real historical setting I've seen of this period in a Chinese drama (also because it avoided to deepen certain events and purges in the first 5 years of Communist takeover, while how the Cultural Revolution impacted the story was only hinted and not particularly deepened).
Two actresses impersonating Yi Yi are both great and physically alike. Directing and the camerawork in particular mantain the aestethics and shooting frames (which give retro vibes) from the previous arc.
If the 3rd arc connects well with the rest, I'll rate this drama at least 9
There are other things in the plot that were maybe oversimplified or remained unexplained because of the short format (10 eps cca per arc), but we've got a sufficient (satisfactory and logical) explanation on his downhill trajectory and how he ended up.
This short insert/dialogue with YQ was even a sort of extra, maybe the scriptwriter wanted to explain he was not connected directly with the cultural revolution events which caused hardships to Wen and Yi Yi
Indeed, they make an interesting couple. Could be other actors fall behind as leads, but how's the story in the next arc?