They were never lovers, that seems a far stretch. More like she was a neighbor that he fell for, but no sign yet…
I respect your opinion (as well as of other people here), but it is based on a guess, we SPECULATE here her thoughts and feelings (embarrassment, fear etc), they are not shown in the drama. What is shown instead is a smart and brave girl who knows how to see through other people. She is not a person who easily "move on", as you've said, otherwise she would have "moved on" from her mother's death, too.
Instead, her character shows she can't move on, she must knows the truth and continues her investigation against all the odds. She wants to know the truth about her mother's murder and refuses to know about her own (attempted) murder? Come on, folks, it is such a huge inconsistency in writing this character, that it makes NO SENSE AT ALL.
They were never lovers, that seems a far stretch. More like she was a neighbor that he fell for, but no sign yet…
she didn't hear "it doesn't matter if she fell, it's just a girl" because LJX came to the cliff when she was already fallen down. As for his dealings with her brother, she still had several chances to clear the problem with her ex. I simply don't understand, why some of people deny such HUGE flows in this plot?
They were never lovers, that seems a far stretch. More like she was a neighbor that he fell for, but no sign yet…
why would he seek for her? To murder her again? Or because she knows he never tried to murder her but doesn't want to have anything to deal with him? Btw, how she knew he's a ruthless murderer, you've seen that in the drama?
no doubt about what you've said right now But some knowledge on the subject of discussion makes a difference between subjectivness and objectivness, right, don't we all engage in discussions on MDL in search of fair and objective pov?
well, the references to The Story of Minglan are many and far too obvious to not be seen as a clear homage to that (very successful, successful for a reason) drama to be missed by persons who have seen it.
If other debaters compare the drama to the novel why can't I compare it to the drama which clearly inspired both the novel and this drama?
We've started this exchange of povs from twinty's coment "It is frustrating for me as a viewer that it is taking too long for the FL to find out as I cannot start seeing them as a romantic couple until she does."
This is not only her/his opinion, I hope we could all agree this is a fact, and those who've read the novel state the truth came out much earlier, you seem to have read it, you've said that in your opinion, the screenwriting is better than the original, implying you've read it, right?
Imo, the plotline (I refer only to the drama) is problematic EXACTLY because it is too much focused on "revealing the truth" about her real parents, they are dragging it too long in order to obtain suspence effect, while forgetting... practically all the rest. In particular the authors (lets call them jointly this way, both the original writer, although the story is not that much original, and the screenwriters) as if they've forgotten to build up characters and their relationships, motivation of their actions (the structure of any story is the sum of the actions displayed in a novel or a drama, nothing else!), ie. the psychological background of the actions, which is truly necessary for this genre (some other don't need it). If the whole plot is pending on the suspence of revealing the secret of her birth, which basing on the trailers, will happen soon, ep 27, everything after that climax will simply be anticlimatic.
As for the rest, I have nothing against acting in comfort zones or the productions in search of success, on condition that the plot is satisfying.
the writing lacks in many aspects but the biggest problem is the lack of coherent characterisation and it is not…
And regarding "confusing choices" of the writers, well, the major attachment/worry I've felt till now was that goose Fugui, I really fear smth bad can happen to him. 😁 That means only one thing: the characters are not developed sufficiently to make me relate with them
the writing lacks in many aspects but the biggest problem is the lack of coherent characterisation and it is not…
She can be ashamed to tell about LJX and the audience can be left guessing, but the shame should not stop such a person to discover the truth why (and if really) her ex tried to kill her - this is the problem I've wanted to point out
I haven't read the novel, so I can't judge what's better or if it's the original novel storyline the problem I see in the drama, which I'd identify in overall lack of characterisation, which is the key for every family ensamble drama in historical setting to be watched. The audience must understand their motives and see how their relationships develop. This drama tries to homage The Story of Minglan in so many ways, starting from the basic plot structure (investigation of her mother's death) to open references (FL's mother's name is Minglan), but it lacks to deliver all the key relations: 1. the deep and touching affection between grandmother and the FL from Minglan is totally flattened, in this drama there are no wise teachings accompanying FL's growth, there are no apparent reasons for their attachment at all, we still wonder if Mrs Luo knows FL is not a Luo child. 2. FL's relationship with her "old flame" is so incoherent: why would such a brave person (different from young Minglan) feel such a terror in front of LJX and be unwilling to tell about him to a person she believes is her brother? Why would such a suspicious, smart and scheming girl believe LJX ordered her death? It makes no sense she is all in investigation of her mother's murder while she is totally unwilling to know anything about the attempted murder on herself. I've read many people here dissatisfied with Ren Min's acting and voice... but the problem is not the actress, it's the script, the actress only delievers what is written and how this character was imagined. 3. All side characters are flattened, FL's father is a caricature of Minglan's father, we truly felt as a narciss beguiled by concubine's flatterings but truly moved only when his reputation came into question. 4. Women villains' characters here also fall far behind the concubine of Shen, Gu's mother or Minglan's "aunt". Here we simply don't understand why are they acting as they're acting, we have no clue of their backgrounds, of the psychological aspect that moves them in wrong direction. Even the sister - who constantly repeats the same errors - is just dumb, she lacks sophistication in simblings' competition games of Minglan's sister... 5. ML. I agree the actor is doing well, but as I've explained above, the problem is not with the actors. Besides, ZWY is totally playing in his comfort zone with this role, it's a replica of his role in Lost You Forever, we've seen that, moved ahead and want smth different now.
Im confused at this writer. One moment wanting us to go soft on Dad with him having crush on Hairu, but then be…
the writing lacks in many aspects but the biggest problem is the lack of coherent characterisation and it is not just with reference to her father, who is more or less a side character, even the main leads are incoherent. Why would such a suspicious, smart and scheming girl avoid to tell her brother her background story with LJX, why would she believe LJX ordered her death in the first place? It's unconvincing to investigate her mother's murder while she is totally disinterested in the attempted murder on herself. Not to mention the villains here, not only we don't understand their way of thinking or motives to be villains but their execution of crimes is a mess. When FL's mother was killed, she showed for months prolonged health symptoms, while Mrs Qiao was killed in a night (in reality, pufferfish toxin kills in seconds), the same poison cannot be manifested in a different way... and so on.
I feel bad for Luo mei, she loved ML since childhood and he don't care a bit about her, I know it's because he…
yes, it would have been more logical, but I also have a feeling he intentionally wants a bit of animosity from her side. If Luo Mei knew the truth behind the massacre, she would insist on helping MJH jeopardizing his search for proofs and alarming MHL even more
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What is shown instead is a smart and brave girl who knows how to see through other people. She is not a person who easily "move on", as you've said, otherwise she would have "moved on" from her mother's death, too.
Instead, her character shows she can't move on, she must knows the truth and continues her investigation against all the odds. She wants to know the truth about her mother's murder and refuses to know about her own (attempted) murder? Come on, folks, it is such a huge inconsistency in writing this character, that it makes NO SENSE AT ALL.
As for his dealings with her brother, she still had several chances to clear the problem with her ex.
I simply don't understand, why some of people deny such HUGE flows in this plot?
Or because she knows he never tried to murder her but doesn't want to have anything to deal with him? Btw, how she knew he's a ruthless murderer, you've seen that in the drama?
But some knowledge on the subject of discussion makes a difference between subjectivness and objectivness, right, don't we all engage in discussions on MDL in search of fair and objective pov?
If other debaters compare the drama to the novel why can't I compare it to the drama which clearly inspired both the novel and this drama?
This is not only her/his opinion, I hope we could all agree this is a fact, and those who've read the novel state the truth came out much earlier, you seem to have read it, you've said that in your opinion, the screenwriting is better than the original, implying you've read it, right?
Imo, the plotline (I refer only to the drama) is problematic EXACTLY because it is too much focused on "revealing the truth" about her real parents, they are dragging it too long in order to obtain suspence effect, while forgetting... practically all the rest. In particular the authors (lets call them jointly this way, both the original writer, although the story is not that much original, and the screenwriters) as if they've forgotten to build up characters and their relationships, motivation of their actions (the structure of any story is the sum of the actions displayed in a novel or a drama, nothing else!), ie. the psychological background of the actions, which is truly necessary for this genre (some other don't need it). If the whole plot is pending on the suspence of revealing the secret of her birth, which basing on the trailers, will happen soon, ep 27, everything after that climax will simply be anticlimatic.
As for the rest, I have nothing against acting in comfort zones or the productions in search of success, on condition that the plot is satisfying.
That means only one thing: the characters are not developed sufficiently to make me relate with them
1. the deep and touching affection between grandmother and the FL from Minglan is totally flattened, in this drama there are no wise teachings accompanying FL's growth, there are no apparent reasons for their attachment at all, we still wonder if Mrs Luo knows FL is not a Luo child.
2. FL's relationship with her "old flame" is so incoherent: why would such a brave person (different from young Minglan) feel such a terror in front of LJX and be unwilling to tell about him to a person she believes is her brother? Why would such a suspicious, smart and scheming girl believe LJX ordered her death? It makes no sense she is all in investigation of her mother's murder while she is totally unwilling to know anything about the attempted murder on herself. I've read many people here dissatisfied with Ren Min's acting and voice... but the problem is not the actress, it's the script, the actress only delievers what is written and how this character was imagined.
3. All side characters are flattened, FL's father is a caricature of Minglan's father, we truly felt as a narciss beguiled by concubine's flatterings but truly moved only when his reputation came into question.
4. Women villains' characters here also fall far behind the concubine of Shen, Gu's mother or Minglan's "aunt". Here we simply don't understand why are they acting as they're acting, we have no clue of their backgrounds, of the psychological aspect that moves them in wrong direction. Even the sister - who constantly repeats the same errors - is just dumb, she lacks sophistication in simblings' competition games of Minglan's sister...
5. ML. I agree the actor is doing well, but as I've explained above, the problem is not with the actors. Besides, ZWY is totally playing in his comfort zone with this role, it's a replica of his role in Lost You Forever, we've seen that, moved ahead and want smth different now.
Not to mention the villains here, not only we don't understand their way of thinking or motives to be villains but their execution of crimes is a mess. When FL's mother was killed, she showed for months prolonged health symptoms, while Mrs Qiao was killed in a night (in reality, pufferfish toxin kills in seconds), the same poison cannot be manifested in a different way... and so on.