Yes I get what you are saying that is why I find it really boring as a " twist " because either there was a timeline…
I agree. I knew we would be getting the predictable reveal that he saved himself... But i was still hoping we would be surprised.
At some point i even entertained the idea that the old court lady was actually Eun Teul. Like she had gotten stuck in the past but wanted to remain by the King's side. Of course, the reveal with her was simply that she was also from another world.
At this point, this is feeling like Rugal, where only the ML gets to shine. It would have been better to at least keep Eun Teul as the one who went back in time to save him...
i get that a writer wont change her writing all of a sudden but dots also had to change.. it would have been better…
Everything about the show has, unfortunately, been quite predictable. But i agree with your point about how Rim found out the secret at this moment just for convenience's sake.
Btw, though predictable, you are discussing a key point of the plot, so the polite thing for would be to mark it as spoiler or rewrite it so it's vague.
I actually dislike the romance here, were the relationship is built lazily using fate as a cop-out. Having said…
And that's why i really appreciated the FLs in Hyena (even though in am not a fan of the main lead's acting), Extracurricular and Big Issue.
These FLs went against the standard of the nice, poor and struggling, always kind FL. Instead we get a woman with ambition, goals, success and a questionable moral compass. It all makes them infinitely more complex and interesting!
I actually dislike the romance here, were the relationship is built lazily using fate as a cop-out. Having said…
I'm having a hard time with this one, tbh. I get so frustrated by the La-La-Land Female Lead and her uselessness, that it becomes a struggle to watch. Let's just say I prefer empowered FLs to damsels in distress. -_-
I actually dislike the romance here, were the relationship is built lazily using fate as a cop-out. Having said…
The medical and business genres in Forest end up being a small part of the drama, with the relationship and the Lead's drama taking the wheel of it. So if that kept you from watching, then it might be worth to give it another chance.
And I understand losing interest in K-dramas at times. It happened to me after Doctor John. The ending was so disappointing, the message so badly thought out and the heart of the drama so forgotten, that I ended up taking a break from K-dramas altogether.
I actually dislike the romance here, were the relationship is built lazily using fate as a cop-out. Having said…
WWWSK was a drama I just couldn't get into and ended up dropping it by episode 12, unable to muscle through any more of it. Let's just say fluff isn't my cup of tea and I have low tolerance when that's all there is to offer. Even the ML was not enough to keep me hooked.
I enjoyed Devilish Joy and appreciated that the ending has a slight bittersweet tone to it.
I'd say give Forest a chance because I think you'll really enjoy it. Forest is a lighthearted show which, despite the few messes in editing, I enjoyed because it really had it's heart in the right place. It also happens to have one of the sexiest kissing scene I've ever seen in a K-drama. It's really a highlight of the series and one of those scenes that you'll remember for quite a while.
BTW, I feel you, I'm muscling through Born Again because of the psychopath/crime storyline, but the useless FL and boring "romance" does test my patience quite a bit.
The romance is so cringy/forced that I'm enjoying it xDany other dramas like the main leads' romance?
I actually dislike the romance here, were the relationship is built lazily using fate as a cop-out. Having said that:
> Born Again has a similar built of "romance" where it just happens fast and out of nowhere. Albeit, that show has a more toxic romance. > Devilish Joy also establishes a quick romance, but it also breaks the leads apart to reunite them later on and actually spend time building the romance. >Forest also establishes a quick romance riddled with clichés and it also has some messy editing, but iys a good shoe overall. The romance depicted here is the most similar to this show.
Yes, sadly this doesn't get better. In fact, it gets worse. I watched without expectations and i was still impressed…
It was indeed weird because they made it a point that the other two members of Rugal had a crush on Mi Na... Then they strongly hinted at the fact that she had a thing for the ML.
Argo's useless chairwoman was the love interest of the main antagonist and a undercover pretty boy agent... But, naturally, she had the hots for the ML...
The whole thing was very cringy, but i took offense on how lame the women were portrayed. They became merely props for our ML to look cooler... Of course, the ML would he cool only to a young male child.
I have been told that the webtoon is a lot better, though. In fact, those who knew the webtoon were quite angry at the scriptwriter's take on the whole thing.
Ah I'm only on episode 3 and I already feel the same way!I just don't understand why they choose the main character…
Yes, sadly this doesn't get better. In fact, it gets worse. I watched without expectations and i was still impressed by how bad it was and how amature everything seemed. It really does feel like a 14 year old wrote this!
The tell rather than show continues throughout. The ML gets overly powerful just because he's a Gary Sue. I never understood why it had to be him who got the eyes. Or why having robotic eyes meant he algo got super strength :/.
Min Ah also gets the robotic sound effects only for us to much later (after a damsel in distress scene) be told she doesn't actually have any robotic enhancements! She also gets an absurd chip that connects her emotionally with the ML for... Gary Sue's reasons.
The Argo's female antagonist who we are constantly told is amazing... Is ALWAYS in distress. She apparently has a lot of money but never uses it to get minions or protection. She really survives all the time based on the rule of pretty, i guess.
But yeah, my recommendation is to move on unless you watch with someone and think of it as a parody or something haha.
A devastatingly heartbreaking account and depiction of the worst society has to offer. The Cruicible/Silence is the dramatization of a real-life case where justice, sadly, was not served and beasts were released with a slap on the wrist...
While it's a difficult movie to watch, it at least shed light on the serious flaws of SK Laws and has --thanks to public outcry-- brought needed change. Too bad these children were not given the justice they deserved and the predators were allowed to continue their devastation...
Something that needs to be said is that a high rating doesn't mean high quality. A high rating relates more to…
Which already says something about the shallow script. I know there has been controversies with some of the content and how it's been depicted which has been a big issue in SK (not so much with international viewship, as we are missing crucial context). But yeah, the creators seem to have missed a few balls with this one.
I cannot help but compare it to Crash Landing and find this one wanting.
I find the female lead frustratingly useless and the prosecutor plain boring. I haven't dropped this yet because…
The only other drama I had seen with her "Queen: Love and War" and I thought she was okay. I thought her character simply didn't have a lot of range and she did as required. However, I've now found that this character (and her acting) seem an extension of that other character... so even if this script is also very weak and her character doesn't have a lot of range, I'm wondering if she doesn't have the skill to breathe a different character.
Well never in my life i have joined on this kind of discussion before but doing this for very first time .. anyway…
Something that needs to be said is that a high rating doesn't mean high quality. A high rating relates more to taste than anything else. One can enjoy a badly-written show and hate a well-written drama.
I am still watching and enjoying this show despite the weak writing, plot-holes, lack of emotional buildup, lack of character establishment and development, and it's messy editing. I am aware of all the flaws but there is something still keeping me interested enough to keep watching.
Being aware of the flaws yet finding joy in the drama isn't bad. It's failing to see the flaws by passively consuming the content that's really unfortunate. Especially in a time where the audience/consumer can provide feedback to the director/writer/creators in the hope that better content will be produced.
I really wanted to like this drama but I can't. The only thing the three main characters are successful in doing…
I find the female lead frustratingly useless and the prosecutor plain boring. I haven't dropped this yet because the interaction between the psychopaths is getting interesting. That's about it haha. I have to turn my brain off when the FL steps on scene, though.
This is a drama I simply cannot recommend. I muscled through the last 4 episodes and almost didn't make it. The writing is really attrocious and the fights grew old fast. Only thing going for it was the eye candy, which suffered when they went full emo style with the ML.
We're now past the halfway mark of this drama and I must say... it has flaws (a TON) but I still find myself coming back to it (unlike other shows where I have to force myself to keep watching for completion's sake).
For those who may be on the fence about whether to pick this up or not, I'll add a few pros (strengths) and cons (flaws) the show has offered thus far.
Pros: > This is a REALLY lighthearted show. For that reason, watching with the right mentality would be key to your enjoyment. > This is a perfect show to balance your viewership if you're also enjoying some darker and/or more depressing shows like "World of the Married" (which I highly recommend). > While the execution of the story leaves a lot to be desired, the concept is interesting enough to keep you watching. > Once again Kim Kyung Nam gets the most complex character from within an otherwise very simple cast. His story is arguably one of the most interesting ones and unsurprisingly he shines whenever he plays hreat-broken characters trying to figure out where they belong. > We get MORE than one female character in the cast! I'm adding it here because it's not as typical as it should be. What's more, at least two characters (Prime Minister and Luna) are interesting in their motivations, archetype and purpose (if not their development, or lack thereof). > I like the FL so far even if her development is a bit lazy and quite predictable. > The dynamics between Jo Young and Jo Eun Sub (both played by Woo Do Hwan) always make for an entertaining skit. > Beautiful cinematography and color usage. > Healthy, albeit rushed, romance. > Some minor characters seem to be set up for a reveal or mystery later, such as with Team Leader Park Moon Shik (who is he meeting?!). > Saving the best for last... Jang Michael, aka Jang Mi. I don't think I'm alone in avidly waiting for his appearance on screen.
Cons: > Chaotic editing which makes the small-time skips the story takes every now and then hard to follow. There are times where I'm sure a scene was actually a flash-forward and we would see the buildup towards that... only to realize that it wasn't. It was simply inserted without much thought because... reasons? > Rushed romance. The problem with using "fate" as a base for romance is that it allows the writer to circumvent having to actually build the relationship between the leads. Instead, we bypass all the steps and jumps straight into the confession with the excuse of "they were fated". Unfortunately, A LOT of shows seem to be taking this route lately. The result is a disconnect with some of the audience and lack of investment in rooting for them. > Lack of emotional buildup. This is partly due to the atrocious editing but mostly because the story lacks proper structure. So far, I'm not really invested in any of the characters. If something happens to any of them, I probably wouldn't feel a thing. And that's because the story hasn't really tied the characters together emotionally. Which leads me to my next point... > Too much "tell" not enough "show". There's a reason that the saying goes "actions speak louder than words" and not the other way around. I understand movies have to rely on exposition (telling us things rather than showing us) due to time constraints. A show, however, will have a harder time excusing the same. Now, this isn't as bad as other shows (ex. Rugal and Born Again) but it erects the barrier between the characters and some of the audience which, again, results in a lack of emotional investment. > Wasted potential. There are scenes with so much potential for buildup that are wasted under shallow writing. A perfect example is when Tae Eul and Shin Jae have that heart to heart in front of the tomb (ep 10). This was a perfect opportunity to have Shin Jae unload his decade-old insecurities (about not knowing who he really is or where he belongs) and have someone finally accept him completely. But what could have been a deep confession that would strengthen the connection between the two old friends, remained a shallow conversation with so much left unsaid I was surprised it was included at all! >There is not enough scenes with Jang Michael, which is both a sin and a mistake!
TL;DR: Watch if you're looking for a lighthearted show that doesn't ask anything from you and enjoy a quick, fluffy romance. Perhaps skip this one if you're looking for a serious, well-written show with complex characters and/or properly built romance.
I'm bummed because I really want to love this show. I truly do. In a world where you get one female character for every five males (and sometimes she's a minor support character), what is there not to like about three badass main female characters?
In fact, even looking at the recommendations, I've seen 3/6 shows there and enjoyed them! However, I keep finding myself bored with the storyline and even zoned out at times before I know it (which causes me to rewind and one-hour long episode turns into two hours or more). I'm still hoping the quirkiness and type of humor here will grow on me by the time I reach the halfway mark. The main couple's romance I find quite boring, so for the last episode, I simply skipped the epilogue (seems the smart decision).
Last episode left on an interesting cliffhanger, so hopefully, it'll pick up my interest from here on out.
At some point i even entertained the idea that the old court lady was actually Eun Teul. Like she had gotten stuck in the past but wanted to remain by the King's side. Of course, the reveal with her was simply that she was also from another world.
At this point, this is feeling like Rugal, where only the ML gets to shine. It would have been better to at least keep Eun Teul as the one who went back in time to save him...
Btw, though predictable, you are discussing a key point of the plot, so the polite thing for would be to mark it as spoiler or rewrite it so it's vague.
These FLs went against the standard of the nice, poor and struggling, always kind FL. Instead we get a woman with ambition, goals, success and a questionable moral compass. It all makes them infinitely more complex and interesting!
And I understand losing interest in K-dramas at times. It happened to me after Doctor John. The ending was so disappointing, the message so badly thought out and the heart of the drama so forgotten, that I ended up taking a break from K-dramas altogether.
I enjoyed Devilish Joy and appreciated that the ending has a slight bittersweet tone to it.
I'd say give Forest a chance because I think you'll really enjoy it. Forest is a lighthearted show which, despite the few messes in editing, I enjoyed because it really had it's heart in the right place. It also happens to have one of the sexiest kissing scene I've ever seen in a K-drama. It's really a highlight of the series and one of those scenes that you'll remember for quite a while.
BTW, I feel you, I'm muscling through Born Again because of the psychopath/crime storyline, but the useless FL and boring "romance" does test my patience quite a bit.
> Born Again has a similar built of "romance" where it just happens fast and out of nowhere. Albeit, that show has a more toxic romance.
> Devilish Joy also establishes a quick romance, but it also breaks the leads apart to reunite them later on and actually spend time building the romance.
>Forest also establishes a quick romance riddled with clichés and it also has some messy editing, but iys a good shoe overall. The romance depicted here is the most similar to this show.
Argo's useless chairwoman was the love interest of the main antagonist and a undercover pretty boy agent... But, naturally, she had the hots for the ML...
The whole thing was very cringy, but i took offense on how lame the women were portrayed. They became merely props for our ML to look cooler... Of course, the ML would he cool only to a young male child.
I have been told that the webtoon is a lot better, though. In fact, those who knew the webtoon were quite angry at the scriptwriter's take on the whole thing.
The tell rather than show continues throughout. The ML gets overly powerful just because he's a Gary Sue. I never understood why it had to be him who got the eyes. Or why having robotic eyes meant he algo got super strength :/.
Min Ah also gets the robotic sound effects only for us to much later (after a damsel in distress scene) be told she doesn't actually have any robotic enhancements! She also gets an absurd chip that connects her emotionally with the ML for... Gary Sue's reasons.
The Argo's female antagonist who we are constantly told is amazing... Is ALWAYS in distress. She apparently has a lot of money but never uses it to get minions or protection. She really survives all the time based on the rule of pretty, i guess.
But yeah, my recommendation is to move on unless you watch with someone and think of it as a parody or something haha.
While it's a difficult movie to watch, it at least shed light on the serious flaws of SK Laws and has --thanks to public outcry-- brought needed change. Too bad these children were not given the justice they deserved and the predators were allowed to continue their devastation...
I cannot help but compare it to Crash Landing and find this one wanting.
I am still watching and enjoying this show despite the weak writing, plot-holes, lack of emotional buildup, lack of character establishment and development, and it's messy editing. I am aware of all the flaws but there is something still keeping me interested enough to keep watching.
Being aware of the flaws yet finding joy in the drama isn't bad. It's failing to see the flaws by passively consuming the content that's really unfortunate. Especially in a time where the audience/consumer can provide feedback to the director/writer/creators in the hope that better content will be produced.
For those who may be on the fence about whether to pick this up or not, I'll add a few pros (strengths) and cons (flaws) the show has offered thus far.
Pros:
> This is a REALLY lighthearted show. For that reason, watching with the right mentality would be key to your enjoyment.
> This is a perfect show to balance your viewership if you're also enjoying some darker and/or more depressing shows like "World of the Married" (which I highly recommend).
> While the execution of the story leaves a lot to be desired, the concept is interesting enough to keep you watching.
> Once again Kim Kyung Nam gets the most complex character from within an otherwise very simple cast. His story is arguably one of the most interesting ones and unsurprisingly he shines whenever he plays hreat-broken characters trying to figure out where they belong.
> We get MORE than one female character in the cast! I'm adding it here because it's not as typical as it should be. What's more, at least two characters (Prime Minister and Luna) are interesting in their motivations, archetype and purpose (if not their development, or lack thereof).
> I like the FL so far even if her development is a bit lazy and quite predictable.
> The dynamics between Jo Young and Jo Eun Sub (both played by Woo Do Hwan) always make for an entertaining skit.
> Beautiful cinematography and color usage.
> Healthy, albeit rushed, romance.
> Some minor characters seem to be set up for a reveal or mystery later, such as with Team Leader Park Moon Shik (who is he meeting?!).
> Saving the best for last... Jang Michael, aka Jang Mi. I don't think I'm alone in avidly waiting for his appearance on screen.
Cons:
> Chaotic editing which makes the small-time skips the story takes every now and then hard to follow. There are times where I'm sure a scene was actually a flash-forward and we would see the buildup towards that... only to realize that it wasn't. It was simply inserted without much thought because... reasons?
> Rushed romance. The problem with using "fate" as a base for romance is that it allows the writer to circumvent having to actually build the relationship between the leads. Instead, we bypass all the steps and jumps straight into the confession with the excuse of "they were fated". Unfortunately, A LOT of shows seem to be taking this route lately. The result is a disconnect with some of the audience and lack of investment in rooting for them.
> Lack of emotional buildup. This is partly due to the atrocious editing but mostly because the story lacks proper structure. So far, I'm not really invested in any of the characters. If something happens to any of them, I probably wouldn't feel a thing. And that's because the story hasn't really tied the characters together emotionally. Which leads me to my next point...
> Too much "tell" not enough "show". There's a reason that the saying goes "actions speak louder than words" and not the other way around. I understand movies have to rely on exposition (telling us things rather than showing us) due to time constraints. A show, however, will have a harder time excusing the same. Now, this isn't as bad as other shows (ex. Rugal and Born Again) but it erects the barrier between the characters and some of the audience which, again, results in a lack of emotional investment.
> Wasted potential. There are scenes with so much potential for buildup that are wasted under shallow writing. A perfect example is when Tae Eul and Shin Jae have that heart to heart in front of the tomb (ep 10). This was a perfect opportunity to have Shin Jae unload his decade-old insecurities (about not knowing who he really is or where he belongs) and have someone finally accept him completely. But what could have been a deep confession that would strengthen the connection between the two old friends, remained a shallow conversation with so much left unsaid I was surprised it was included at all!
>There is not enough scenes with Jang Michael, which is both a sin and a mistake!
TL;DR:
Watch if you're looking for a lighthearted show that doesn't ask anything from you and enjoy a quick, fluffy romance. Perhaps skip this one if you're looking for a serious, well-written show with complex characters and/or properly built romance.
In fact, even looking at the recommendations, I've seen 3/6 shows there and enjoyed them! However, I keep finding myself bored with the storyline and even zoned out at times before I know it (which causes me to rewind and one-hour long episode turns into two hours or more). I'm still hoping the quirkiness and type of humor here will grow on me by the time I reach the halfway mark. The main couple's romance I find quite boring, so for the last episode, I simply skipped the epilogue (seems the smart decision).
Last episode left on an interesting cliffhanger, so hopefully, it'll pick up my interest from here on out.