But Shin is tested positive for psychopath gene, and he’s not a killer
I don’t recall it but if that’s the case then it’s still a suspicion and not proven to be true. Shin has not shown any psychopath gene. He live a normal life and didn’t struggle in any urges of wanting harm another person. He feel emotions and love his wife dearly.
This only proves that the "psychopath gene" is a myth. And the OZ organization should not exist. Because out of…
Your point is still invalid as only Ba Reum has the psychopath gene and what so call psychopath “gene” do exist. Not only Ba Reum is a solid example but Woo Young Chul can back that up. Plus, the law was not passed so I don’t see how it’s a problem right now. Choi Young Shin is a psychopath so everything within the Oz organization is wrong and we know that already.
This only proves that the "psychopath gene" is a myth. And the OZ organization should not exist. Because out of…
Three children? Which one are you talking about? Was Shin proven to have psychopath gene? Because I only see the part where hes dad voted against it because his wife is pregnant after 10 years of trying and he doesn’t want to risk having an abortion. Yo Han has a genius gene not psychopath. Dr. Lee said he mistook it as psychopath gene.
But Shin is tested positive for psychopath gene, and he’s not a killer
At what part did they show that their baby had psychopath gene? I only know that his wife was pregnant and they waited 10 years for this baby that’s why they didn’t want to risk having an abortion.
The show is focusing on the idea that psychopaths are serial killers so I want to stretch the issue a little bit. (Mainly Ba Reum) Many of you guys said that Ba Reum can be saved early if people pay more attention to him and offer him therapy/counseling. The main issue here is that he was born with the "psychopath" gene. - The instinct of a normal human is to save a lifeless kid lying under the bridge asking for help but Ba Rum called her wailing "annoying" and she dares to "interrupt" him while he game. - He "hates" his father but since he can't kill him, he proceeds to kill what is precious to his father which is the fish and the little doggy. Ba Reum even punishes his brother for the idea of "snitching" on him. What was his punishment? Ba Reum threw him into a hole that he dug and want to bury him alive. "I just want to punish him, but not kill him" basically means he want him to painfully suffer while he watches from above. - Ba Reum is a two-face psychopath, and many serial killer psychopaths are known to live a normal life with a deep secret. They master manipulation and easy to trick everyone around them. Did you think having a therapist would help? It's easy to say then done. He could easily deceive the therapist into thinking that he's normal or getting better. - "Mouse" provides us with psychopaths that are born with the gene that sketch from being curious to taking "actions." There's no emotion or empathy that they feel while on the hunt. They can even deceive the closest to them for vulnerability then hunt them down. They ENJOY other's PAIN and SUFFERING. The show never provides us a "psychopath" that redeems his actions and walks the righteous path. Someone who can resist the urge to kill and the satisfaction that comes with it, therefore, the chances of Ba Reum being saved are very slim.
Disclaimer: I'm focusing on the idea of psychopaths in this drama without stretching it into the real world because not all -paths are killers.
Justice for Sung Yohan. That poor soul! oh God! I want to scream! I'm speechless. How could the director be so…
I KNOW! I WAS GOING TO COMMENT THE SAME THING. I’ve seen countless heartfelt characters but Yo Han is literally one of the most depressing character that I’ve ever seen. There’s no words to even describe it. My emotions just pour out to him :(.
A killer needs a punishment for sure but to become a killer environment surrounding them also plays a huge role..…
If you only want speak about the drama perspective then my opinion clashes yours. It is shown that psychopath gene are serial killers “Woo Young Chul” “Ba Reum” “Duk Soo” are all harmful to the society. Woo Young Chul still live a happy life knowing his father took all the blame hoping he will be remorseful but is he? Duk Soo raped a girl and causes her to be traumatized for the rest of her life. Was he remorseful? He proceed to go after another victim after getting out of prison. He even physically abused his mom, she was literally afraid of him. Ba Reum, a serial killer who will kill anyone and this is shown in his childhood where he kills the fish and the dog that hes father treasure and proceed to threaten his younger brother AT A YOUNG AGE. Walk past a lifeless girl asking for help but proceed to walk away saying “How dare she interrupt my game?” What are the chances of someone getting therapy when hes past the stage of being saved? I’m not going to comment much about the Oz organization as it is still a mystery. If the drama shown that psychopaths can walk a different path, suppress their urges and successfully live a normal life then there could be two perspective of it but this drama portray the dark side of psychopaths.
A killer needs a punishment for sure but to become a killer environment surrounding them also plays a huge role..…
Ba Reum came across a lifeless body asking for help. What would be your first instinct? Call 911 right? Or take her to the hospital, but he walk away and declare her as annoying because “how dare she interrupt my game.” His father nurture the fish and dog, because of that he kill them to anger him. Punish his brother because he “snitch” He wish to be normal but did he once try to be normal? He can’t suppress the urge of killing and the satisfaction of seeing others in pain. My answer is no, but it can be different in your perspective.
A killer needs a punishment for sure but to become a killer environment surrounding them also plays a huge role..…
Yes, I said most of them, but not all. Apply to the original comment. The force that driven them to kill and hunt people like they are prey. Psychopaths choose to be this way. They can CHOOSE to suppress their thirst and control them to not go down a dark path but still it was their choice to become the way they are. You said that they become criminals because they are victim of abuse and violence right? Compare to what you said that not all psychopaths are serial killers which I agree and apply in my previously comment, not all victims or physical and emotional abuse become criminals. Majority? Yes, but not all. They still choose the the path that they take and the consequences that comes with it. “It’s not their fault that they’re born that way” is an invalid statement. Yes, they are born that way but acting upon the reason of how they are born is wrong. People make use of their disabilities instead of harming other people just because “they are born that way.”
A killer needs a punishment for sure but to become a killer environment surrounding them also plays a huge role..…
Important note: “Criminals” and “serial killers” are from a different approach. Most serial killers are psychopath and they feel no emotion whatsoever. Instead, killing a person or anything would trigger their excitement and curiosity to be harsher and more cruel with their next victim. This show explain it all about the differences between a normal criminal, psychopath and a predator. Psychopath can literally be raise in a normal family and still kill people. For example, Woo Young Chul who was raised in a normal family with love and care has his first kill instinct has a young age. What was his reason? She look like her mother. That’s a psychopath. A normal criminal can be emotional and feel remorse for their actions but psychopaths do not. Ba Reum is a two face psychopath who has no sympathy or emotion killing people close to him. Even his childhood friend. Yes, his family might have a part in why he turns out that way but not entirely. Psychopaths are known to dissect animals at a young age out of curiosity and it just excites them even more as they want to dissect humans and will get bolder if they don’t get caught
Wanted to ask, how's that little girl "Yu Na" related to Kang Duk Soo? I mean why was "she" his target and not…
Duk Soo is a pedophile. He only target kids, especially the vulnerable one. Bong Yi already grew up so it’s not in his interest anymore. Duk Soo only encounter/message Bong Yi to divert the police attention so he can go after Yu Na.
Yo Han's character is so depressing. I'm glad we got to see more of his POV in episode 18 since he was out of the screen so soon. UGHHHHHHHHH Seeing Yo Han on-screen makes me so emotional and cry for him every time. :(
I feel like the point of the whole show is to make it realistic as possible. It's reasoning thought to forgive…
Sorry, I'm only on episode 11 and only speak based on the perspective of people's emotions and our own society.
From the beginning till now, I've never actually like the character "Bong Yi." For whatever reason, she's just a pitiful victim that has never grown and mature herself. Her actions can speak volumes on how immature she is portrayed to be.
Aside from that, victims who chose to forgive also depend on their situations as well. The option could be having other family members who are still alive. When you look at the respective of someone who has nothing to live for after the murder of their only family. Coming home to an empty house filled with memories, how could there not be anger? The majority of people would not ever forget and of course, fell into depression. I'm not saying there aren't people who don't have a big heart and live past the pain for the better, but the majority of victims' families will still hold resentment and selfishness upon asking why would it be their family? what did they do so wrong to deserve that?
Park Du Seok (Hong Ju's dad) still has resentment and is still in deep pain but he isn't taking action because he still has a wife to care for while Moo Chi and Bong Yi's only family is gone. Though I don't agree with their actions because they let their emotions take hold of them. Emotions can sometimes overpower someone's brain under circumstantial situations as well.
I don't disagree with your statement, I'm also not justifying that their actions are right. It's just that I understand them to a certain degree if I put myself in their perspectives.
Can someone please enlighten me. Yo Han died only because Bong Yi decides to unplug his breathing tube right? If that wasn't the case then Yo Han could have been saved/alive? Was Yo Han announced dead before Han Seo Joon decide to proceed with the brain surgery? Kinda conflicted on how he can take his own son's brain out and save another guy.
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Plus, the law was not passed so I don’t see how it’s a problem right now. Choi Young Shin is a psychopath so everything within the Oz organization is wrong and we know that already.
Many of you guys said that Ba Reum can be saved early if people pay more attention to him and offer him therapy/counseling. The main issue here is that he was born with the "psychopath" gene.
- The instinct of a normal human is to save a lifeless kid lying under the bridge asking for help but Ba Rum called her wailing "annoying" and she dares to "interrupt" him while he game.
- He "hates" his father but since he can't kill him, he proceeds to kill what is precious to his father which is the fish and the little doggy. Ba Reum even punishes his brother for the idea of "snitching" on him. What was his punishment? Ba Reum threw him into a hole that he dug and want to bury him alive. "I just want to punish him, but not kill him" basically means he want him to painfully suffer while he watches from above.
- Ba Reum is a two-face psychopath, and many serial killer psychopaths are known to live a normal life with a deep secret. They master manipulation and easy to trick everyone around them. Did you think having a therapist would help? It's easy to say then done. He could easily deceive the therapist into thinking that he's normal or getting better.
- "Mouse" provides us with psychopaths that are born with the gene that sketch from being curious to taking "actions." There's no emotion or empathy that they feel while on the hunt. They can even deceive the closest to them for vulnerability then hunt them down. They ENJOY other's PAIN and SUFFERING.
The show never provides us a "psychopath" that redeems his actions and walks the righteous path. Someone who can resist the urge to kill and the satisfaction that comes with it, therefore, the chances of Ba Reum being saved are very slim.
Disclaimer: I'm focusing on the idea of psychopaths in this drama without stretching it into the real world because not all -paths are killers.
See you guys in the next rumor date :)
It is shown that psychopath gene are serial killers “Woo Young Chul” “Ba Reum” “Duk Soo” are all harmful to the society.
Woo Young Chul still live a happy life knowing his father took all the blame hoping he will be remorseful but is he?
Duk Soo raped a girl and causes her to be traumatized for the rest of her life. Was he remorseful? He proceed to go after another victim after getting out of prison. He even physically abused his mom, she was literally afraid of him.
Ba Reum, a serial killer who will kill anyone and this is shown in his childhood where he kills the fish and the dog that hes father treasure and proceed to threaten his younger brother AT A YOUNG AGE. Walk past a lifeless girl asking for help but proceed to walk away saying “How dare she interrupt my game?” What are the chances of someone getting therapy when hes past the stage of being saved?
I’m not going to comment much about the Oz organization as it is still a mystery.
If the drama shown that psychopaths can walk a different path, suppress their urges and successfully live a normal life then there could be two perspective of it but this drama portray the dark side of psychopaths.
His father nurture the fish and dog, because of that he kill them to anger him.
Punish his brother because he “snitch”
He wish to be normal but did he once try to be normal? He can’t suppress the urge of killing and the satisfaction of seeing others in pain. My answer is no, but it can be different in your perspective.
Apply to the original comment. The force that driven them to kill and hunt people like they are prey. Psychopaths choose to be this way. They can CHOOSE to suppress their thirst and control them to not go down a dark path but still it was their choice to become the way they are. You said that they become criminals because they are victim of abuse and violence right? Compare to what you said that not all psychopaths are serial killers which I agree and apply in my previously comment, not all victims or physical and emotional abuse become criminals. Majority? Yes, but not all. They still choose the the path that they take and the consequences that comes with it.
“It’s not their fault that they’re born that way” is an invalid statement. Yes, they are born that way but acting upon the reason of how they are born is wrong. People make use of their disabilities instead of harming other people just because “they are born that way.”
Most serial killers are psychopath and they feel no emotion whatsoever. Instead, killing a person or anything would trigger their excitement and curiosity to be harsher and more cruel with their next victim. This show explain it all about the differences between a normal criminal, psychopath and a predator. Psychopath can literally be raise in a normal family and still kill people. For example, Woo Young Chul who was raised in a normal family with love and care has his first kill instinct has a young age. What was his reason? She look like her mother. That’s a psychopath. A normal criminal can be emotional and feel remorse for their actions but psychopaths do not. Ba Reum is a two face psychopath who has no sympathy or emotion killing people close to him. Even his childhood friend. Yes, his family might have a part in why he turns out that way but not entirely. Psychopaths are known to dissect animals at a young age out of curiosity and it just excites them even more as they want to dissect humans and will get bolder if they don’t get caught
UGHHHHHHHHH Seeing Yo Han on-screen makes me so emotional and cry for him every time. :(
From the beginning till now, I've never actually like the character "Bong Yi." For whatever reason, she's just a pitiful victim that has never grown and mature herself. Her actions can speak volumes on how immature she is portrayed to be.
Aside from that, victims who chose to forgive also depend on their situations as well. The option could be having other family members who are still alive. When you look at the respective of someone who has nothing to live for after the murder of their only family. Coming home to an empty house filled with memories, how could there not be anger? The majority of people would not ever forget and of course, fell into depression. I'm not saying there aren't people who don't have a big heart and live past the pain for the better, but the majority of victims' families will still hold resentment and selfishness upon asking why would it be their family? what did they do so wrong to deserve that?
Park Du Seok (Hong Ju's dad) still has resentment and is still in deep pain but he isn't taking action because he still has a wife to care for while Moo Chi and Bong Yi's only family is gone. Though I don't agree with their actions because they let their emotions take hold of them. Emotions can sometimes overpower someone's brain under circumstantial situations as well.
I don't disagree with your statement, I'm also not justifying that their actions are right. It's just that I understand them to a certain degree if I put myself in their perspectives.
Was Yo Han announced dead before Han Seo Joon decide to proceed with the brain surgery?
Kinda conflicted on how he can take his own son's brain out and save another guy.