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I know that relationships have kissing. Every romantic relationship I have ever been in has had kissing. My parents kiss. My brother and his wife kiss. Straight people kiss, gay people kiss, bi people kiss. It is so incredibly weird to show a romantic relationship and purposefully avoid ever showing the couple kiss. It's not an accident. They are making a decision to not show the couples kissing (an actual, real kiss, not a drunken confession that we pretend didn't happen). Why are the producers/directors choosing not to show guys having a normal, healthy, romantic kiss? Homophobia and money. They are afraid it will cost them views and advertising, and that it will offend conservatives. Eff that. As a queer person, I am used to risking discrimination. I'm not watching a show where they are so cowardly they won't risk having "boyfriends" share a normal kiss.

Nope. Relationships have kissing. That is the most basic requirement for a romantic relationship. 99.99999% of romantic relationships have kissing so unless there is some compelling reason explained in the plot for why they can't kiss (other than homophobia), it's a bromance or a fake relationship. Anybody who says you don't have to have kissing for a romantic relationship is very, very far away from the norm and probably has a (homophobic) agenda.

After the deeply mediocre ending to 2gether, I am boycotting this and all GMMTV BLs until something interesting happens. If two dudes kiss, I will watch the show. Otherwise. I'm going to GagaOOLala to watch actual LGBTQ+ content.

Nobody is hating. You don't get to tell other people how to feel. People have legitimate criticisms and want to talk about them, which is the purpose of a comments section.

It is not my opinion that in the overwhelming majority of romantic relationships, both queer and not, people kiss and have sex. It is an obvious fact and common knowledge. Also, as I said, they were "on track" to have a romantic relationship but ended up roommates. It's called a "bait and switch", which is where the term queerbaiting comes from. In a bait-and-switch, first someone holds up some bait which in this case was the promise of a romantic relationship between Sarawat and Tine and then when the've got people hooked, they switch it for something else, in this case, roommates and bromance. This is absolutely literally queerbaiting it's nothing else, and when you say, "save" the term, this is exactly what it's meant for it doesn't need to be saved. And finally, again, just because they said out loud that they were in a relationship, does not mean they were actually in a relationship, if what they are calling a relationship bears no resemblance to a queer relationship. If you want to argue that there are queer relationships no sex and no kissing, I agree, there are, those exist. but that would be something that would be explicitly acknowledged and talked about, because again, the overwhelming majority of people expect that there will be kissing and sex in a romantic relationship.

I have, thanks!

Don't act like a martyr. No one is mistreating you and no one hates you. People disagree with your opinion and said so. Put on your big kid pants and deal with it. People disagreeing with you is not people being mean to you. No one said you are stupid and if they did and I missed it, that's bad on them. People have legitimate criticism. If you like it, that's good for you. Other people don't have to.

That is not what the overwhelming majority of gay relationships look like. Just because they called it that does not mean it really was a gay relationship. Other than a asexual folks, I don't know any gay couples that don't kiss, have physical intimacy, have sex, etc... That's exactly what queerbaiting is. Saying it will have queer representation while the reality does not show that. They were on track to be in a relationship for the first half but ended up roommates.

You sound like a self-hating gay. Expecting gay people to kiss, hug, hold hands, and, yes, have sex, like normal couples do all over the world, is not oversexualized. It's normal, regular, typical. People who say it's like porn or oversexualized are dealing with homophobia (either internal or external) or are sex-negative in general. I'm gay too. 99.9999999% of gay couples kiss. It is completely unrealistic to not show that.

Honestly, for a show supposedly about a gay romance, there was zero romance in this show. Honestly, I'm just going to call it: it's pure homophobia and queerbaiting. Anybody who says that "true romance doesn't require kissing", or "bed scene" or whatever, is probably asexual and/or has never been in a sexual relationship. And being asexual is totally cool, but most people aren't. Seriously. The whole thing is a bad joke. I've been watching BL dramas for about a year, and honestly, I'm over a lot of them. This was a good example. This show could have been great. In the beginning, it was funny, a comedy of errors, a farce. The show was ridiculous and it was meant to be that way, we were all in on the joke. But as the show went on, it became clear that the joke was on us. There was never going to be a realistic relationship between Sarawat and Tine. This is capitalism. They want our money. They want to get advertising dollars, and to sell T-shirts and tickets to fan meetings. But they don't want the stain of "the gay". Well, I won't support shows anymore that do this. There is other content for me to support that shows queer couples as actual human beings with sex drives, and kisses, and cuddling, and all the *normal* things couples do. I am done with this bromance bullshit.

Damn, that last episode was hot af! As a queer person who has actually had sex with men, these were some of the most realistic sex scenes I've ever seen in a BL. As a previous commenter said, it actually seemed like they were into each other. Usually in BL, they look bored or uncomfortable. There was one scene in particular where Saint looked breathless. That is what an actual sex scene where the people involved actually like each other should look like!

Hopefully Saifah and Zon get some scenes that are just as hot! And then they can all officially come out and be boyfriends and live happily for now (cause they are in college, so they'll all probably break up once they graduate and get jobs, that's life!).

The pacing is great so far (not so slow it's boring, no weird skips or plot holes). The characters have decent acting ability and the story is a little silly but fun. Overall, in terms of production, this is one of the best BLs I have seen (and I have watched just about all of them)! I also love how Sarawat is clearly super into Tine, but Tine is completely oblivious, but still a little bit attracted to Sarawat.

Ok, Boomer. :-) :-)

I liked the relationship development between tharn and type. All the rape stuff was hard to take. I wonder about the woman who wrote these novels. It seems like she's been through it. :-(

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Honestly, this ending felt like a giant "fuck you" to the BL community. I saw a comment from a someone earlier that said, "someone sat in a room with other people and decided that this should be the ending." I think that other commenter was pointing out that, out of so many people, no one stopped this ending from being written, despite the fact that anyone can see it's a terrible way to end a show (any show! a last minute death, never shown, and then a time skip of years???? this is some 12-year old bullshit).

However, this feels like something more. The writers/directors/whoever dreamed this up must have seriously decided to build up the positive feelings of the audience, our love for the characters, hope for Haoting and Shigu, and then they made a choice to purposefully cause as much pain as possible to all the people who had become invested in their story. That feels like more than a desire to shock or to "create art because real life is painful and the more real something is, the more artistic it is." This feels like revenge. Like whoever wrote this wanted to hurt people.

I definitely will not be watching this, or anything relating to it again.

This script is trash. I know it's based on a book, but if this is what happened in the book, the book is trash too. Why do they always have to make up such dumb plot twists?

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I love it and support it. Sounds amazing! That is a show I would watch. <3