In CLOY almost everything just served to sell the mushy romance. It was fun but the romance was so so. She was…
My description is pretty accurate when it comes to romantic comedies. A kiss scene must have a fairy-tale side (under snow, under cherry petals, with the camera spinning around, etc). The artificial side can be annoying, but often the whole drama is artificial. What interests me is when it happens. If it's well done, it's at the moment when the emotion will be the strongest. For the rest, please refer to my previous answer (I didn't have time to post that you've already posted something else. ^^)
I don't think there's gonna be any real French kissing in Asian drama. Besides, I don't even wish it, for the respect of the actors.
However, even a modest kiss can look more natural. The main problem with many kiss scenes is that there is often a feeling that the two lovers don't go towards each other. They should, however, since they love each other!
For example, in Memories of Alhambra, the first kiss scene is successful. It is under the rain (aesthetic side). But above all, the two actors have small gestures towards each other. It is not a passive kiss. I don't know if it's because I really like the actress, but the kiss scenes with Kim Tae Hee are often good. You can feel passion or abandonment (Jang Ok Jung, IRIS). Since they are realistic dramas, it helps too.
In CLOY almost everything just served to sell the mushy romance. It was fun but the romance was so so. She was…
Ah, I see your point, then. I've only seen "Jealousy Incarnate" on your list. It's true that relationships are more adult. As for the others, I can't judge.
Not explicit intimacy, but realistic intimacy... It's pretty rare in romantic comedies, to the point where I'm not looking for it in there. But in more dramatic stories, you can find this realism. Or in historical dramas (rather classical, because some fusion-sageuk have rather a romcom feel). When a relationship seems real, it's obvious. That's what I'm looking for, because that's where drama gets sincere emotions. In order for the relationship to look real, the rest of the drama often has to look real as well. This means that an overly melodramatic drama can still counteract this effect, if the actors are not natural. But often it is dramas that have a tragic ending. There are a few less dramatic dramas where I manage to feel that way, too. Like the screenwriter Park Hye Ryun's dramas. I don't know if it's realistic, but in any case, the tenderness and human warmth is obvious.
Still, I do sometimes watch romantic comedies, more for the comedy aspect. And sometimes the script is really well constructed during the first episodes. There I am mainly interested in the writing. On the other hand, I often give up drama about halfway through. The pace slows down, it's the moment when the comedy disappears and the sentimental story develops. But since it's full of clichés and I don't really believe in it, it bores me, and I prefer to give up without regrets. I had enough fun watching the first part of the drama, and that's enough for me.
In CLOY almost everything just served to sell the mushy romance. It was fun but the romance was so so. She was…
Asian dramas avoid explicit rendering. They're modest. There are no intimate scenes of this nature. In some dramas, we understand that the characters have shared more than just a kiss, but there is no explicit scene, just an allusion. I like this way of doing it. In American series, it has become obscene (and also unrealistic, in the other direction). I prefer the sensitivity of Asian dramas. It's a limitation that allows you to focus more on feelings.
A kissing scene doesn't need to be explicit, but to have a strong and aesthetic rendering, to arrive at the perfect point in the story, to be well prepared. The kiss in itself does not violate the intimacy of the actors, so it's still a kiss like there was in western cinema before 1960. When the characters experience such a kiss, the viewer may consider it equivalent to a more adult moment of intimacy. The meaning is the same. It doesn't matter to go any further.
There is also censorship with regard to violence. You can see a combat knife in the hands of a soldier. But if it's a mobster holding the knife, it will be blurred. Asian dramas have limitations. It may be because of censorship, or it may simply be a mindset that refuses to outbid. On closer inspection, emotional abuse is much more extreme.
A long time ago, when I started watching dramas, I was surprised. I quickly took the decision to accept this way of doing things, because there is no other choice. But in the end I came to appreciate it. This kind of limitation forces the story to develop its intensity, without using easy effects. I prefer dramas to Korean films for this reason.
TKEM's screenwriter is the goddess of childish cheesy. ^^CLOY's screenwriter is far from equaling her in this…
You're welcome. ;-) You misread my list... Completed: Secret garden, heirs, on air. Almost done: DOTS. Abandoned: Goblin (it's my reference in infantilization and cheesy, especially for male characters. It's also my reference for boredom and lack of plot. I had no choice but to give up). In "on air", the most infantile character is the screenwriter (I wondered if KES was inspired by her). But the drama is pretty good. I know this screenwriter's style well enough that I don't appreciate her recent dramas anymore. When I have time, I'll watch "City Hall". I'm also curious to see the drama that made her famous in her debut "lovers in paris", if I can find it. Anyway, whatever she's doing, she's a huge success!
You're not the only one who suffered on CLOY. Managing to finish the drama was deadly boring, but I promised someone I would. I liked the rendering of North Korea. But for a story set in such a risky environment, the drama had no dramatic tension. This has a strong impact on the sentimental story, which becomes a romcom rather than a true love story full of danger. It's drama formatted to appeal to the widest possible audience, and it works!
All these dramas have a "blockbuster" policy. The financial means engaged must guarantee high ratings, and it is better to avoid taking risks. However, they will be disappointing for a small part of the audience, whose sensitivity is not satisfied with their artificial side. They must be detected, and the phenomenon of "hype" should arouse suspicion. Otherwise, you just have to watch a few scenes. In CLOY, from the very first episode, we understand the nature of the drama. I'm a bit idealistic, and I think that these blockbusters could still have a high rating but still have real quality and be inspired. Many dramas have managed to do that.
thanks for the list... better prepare for some tissues. yup it was inspiring but sad.
Your welcome! Nowadays, I tend to prefer melodramatic dramas. Or at least, with less comedy and acting that makes the story believable. I like comedy, but sometimes it's a bit too artificial, and prevents you from taking the story seriously.
So I find your article interesting, especially the conclusion: "What did I learn? Sometimes it needs to end that way. It has to be! It gave more impact and a realistic view of the drama. You will get used to it and appreciate more the journey of the story."
That's exactly right. If a work is deep and moving, a sad ending is better. It gives an aura of legend, and makes the story unforgettable. Now, I prefer sad endings, if they're well constructed and produce emotion. It's even better if there's something that creates a real thrill. "Remember: war of the son, some elements of the ending are not explicit, but the viewer has enough clues to understand. This ending is moving and shivering.
Sometimes I wish a drama had a sad ending. If I really liked the drama, the happy ending has a little something disappointing about it.
Wow, Epic trailer. I can fell chemistry. Hot! Lee Minho has explosive charisma ! Kim Go Eun voice is eargasm, Love her. Cinematography is no joke, visuals slay.
I decided to drop this drama, when I knew there'd be another season. Does this story have an ending? Or is it going to be a story that gets longer season after season? Until the drama is dropped without a sequel, the day it's no longer a hit...
The pitch of the drama is catchy, as is often the case with the adaptation of a manhwa. Unfortunately, I've noticed that stories coming from a manhwa often have the same problems: lack of depth, slowing down, plot that wears out quickly, unrealism, lack of credibility, simplistic characters. I have the feeling that manhwa writers are not as mature as scriptwriters.
I've watched the trailer: it looks like the cat is a better actor than the male lead! I'll check some scenes from "ruler, owner of the mask", to confirm this. I'm afraid that he's as unexpressive an actor as Rowon in "extraordinary you". Under these conditions, it is impossible for me to believe in a love story...
PREVIEW: First kiss scene.She kisses the cat, and unintentionally he turns into a human. :-)
End of the scene: she is so surprised that she pushes the hero out the window. Outside, she lives in a building, between the 15th and 20th floor. The hero falls into the void. Horrified, she immediately regrets her gesture, but it's too late... The hero turns into a cat during the fall, and lands unharmed. :-D
Often the first episodes of a makjang are my favorite. This is where the protagonist suffers the most, where all misfortunes and injustices fall on him. The most detestable characters completely ruin his life, everything is perfectly disgusting!
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A kiss scene must have a fairy-tale side (under snow, under cherry petals, with the camera spinning around, etc). The artificial side can be annoying, but often the whole drama is artificial. What interests me is when it happens. If it's well done, it's at the moment when the emotion will be the strongest.
For the rest, please refer to my previous answer (I didn't have time to post that you've already posted something else. ^^)
I don't think there's gonna be any real French kissing in Asian drama. Besides, I don't even wish it, for the respect of the actors.
However, even a modest kiss can look more natural. The main problem with many kiss scenes is that there is often a feeling that the two lovers don't go towards each other. They should, however, since they love each other!
For example, in Memories of Alhambra, the first kiss scene is successful. It is under the rain (aesthetic side). But above all, the two actors have small gestures towards each other. It is not a passive kiss.
I don't know if it's because I really like the actress, but the kiss scenes with Kim Tae Hee are often good. You can feel passion or abandonment (Jang Ok Jung, IRIS). Since they are realistic dramas, it helps too.
I've only seen "Jealousy Incarnate" on your list. It's true that relationships are more adult. As for the others, I can't judge.
Not explicit intimacy, but realistic intimacy...
It's pretty rare in romantic comedies, to the point where I'm not looking for it in there.
But in more dramatic stories, you can find this realism. Or in historical dramas (rather classical, because some fusion-sageuk have rather a romcom feel).
When a relationship seems real, it's obvious.
That's what I'm looking for, because that's where drama gets sincere emotions.
In order for the relationship to look real, the rest of the drama often has to look real as well.
This means that an overly melodramatic drama can still counteract this effect, if the actors are not natural.
But often it is dramas that have a tragic ending.
There are a few less dramatic dramas where I manage to feel that way, too. Like the screenwriter Park Hye Ryun's dramas. I don't know if it's realistic, but in any case, the tenderness and human warmth is obvious.
Still, I do sometimes watch romantic comedies, more for the comedy aspect.
And sometimes the script is really well constructed during the first episodes. There I am mainly interested in the writing.
On the other hand, I often give up drama about halfway through.
The pace slows down, it's the moment when the comedy disappears and the sentimental story develops.
But since it's full of clichés and I don't really believe in it, it bores me, and I prefer to give up without regrets. I had enough fun watching the first part of the drama, and that's enough for me.
;-D
There are no intimate scenes of this nature. In some dramas, we understand that the characters have shared more than just a kiss, but there is no explicit scene, just an allusion.
I like this way of doing it. In American series, it has become obscene (and also unrealistic, in the other direction). I prefer the sensitivity of Asian dramas. It's a limitation that allows you to focus more on feelings.
A kissing scene doesn't need to be explicit, but to have a strong and aesthetic rendering, to arrive at the perfect point in the story, to be well prepared. The kiss in itself does not violate the intimacy of the actors, so it's still a kiss like there was in western cinema before 1960. When the characters experience such a kiss, the viewer may consider it equivalent to a more adult moment of intimacy. The meaning is the same. It doesn't matter to go any further.
There is also censorship with regard to violence. You can see a combat knife in the hands of a soldier. But if it's a mobster holding the knife, it will be blurred.
Asian dramas have limitations. It may be because of censorship, or it may simply be a mindset that refuses to outbid. On closer inspection, emotional abuse is much more extreme.
A long time ago, when I started watching dramas, I was surprised. I quickly took the decision to accept this way of doing things, because there is no other choice.
But in the end I came to appreciate it. This kind of limitation forces the story to develop its intensity, without using easy effects. I prefer dramas to Korean films for this reason.
You misread my list...
Completed: Secret garden, heirs, on air.
Almost done: DOTS.
Abandoned: Goblin (it's my reference in infantilization and cheesy, especially for male characters. It's also my reference for boredom and lack of plot. I had no choice but to give up).
In "on air", the most infantile character is the screenwriter (I wondered if KES was inspired by her). But the drama is pretty good.
I know this screenwriter's style well enough that I don't appreciate her recent dramas anymore.
When I have time, I'll watch "City Hall". I'm also curious to see the drama that made her famous in her debut "lovers in paris", if I can find it.
Anyway, whatever she's doing, she's a huge success!
You're not the only one who suffered on CLOY. Managing to finish the drama was deadly boring, but I promised someone I would.
I liked the rendering of North Korea. But for a story set in such a risky environment, the drama had no dramatic tension. This has a strong impact on the sentimental story, which becomes a romcom rather than a true love story full of danger. It's drama formatted to appeal to the widest possible audience, and it works!
All these dramas have a "blockbuster" policy. The financial means engaged must guarantee high ratings, and it is better to avoid taking risks. However, they will be disappointing for a small part of the audience, whose sensitivity is not satisfied with their artificial side. They must be detected, and the phenomenon of "hype" should arouse suspicion. Otherwise, you just have to watch a few scenes. In CLOY, from the very first episode, we understand the nature of the drama.
I'm a bit idealistic, and I think that these blockbusters could still have a high rating but still have real quality and be inspired. Many dramas have managed to do that.
https://manger-citoyen.org/img/posts/53.jpg
:-D
CLOY's screenwriter is far from equaling her in this matter. ^^
Nowadays, I tend to prefer melodramatic dramas. Or at least, with less comedy and acting that makes the story believable. I like comedy, but sometimes it's a bit too artificial, and prevents you from taking the story seriously.
So I find your article interesting, especially the conclusion:
"What did I learn? Sometimes it needs to end that way.
It has to be! It gave more impact and a realistic view of the drama.
You will get used to it and appreciate more the journey of the story."
That's exactly right. If a work is deep and moving, a sad ending is better.
It gives an aura of legend, and makes the story unforgettable.
Now, I prefer sad endings, if they're well constructed and produce emotion.
It's even better if there's something that creates a real thrill.
"Remember: war of the son, some elements of the ending are not explicit, but the viewer has enough clues to understand. This ending is moving and shivering.
Sometimes I wish a drama had a sad ending.
If I really liked the drama, the happy ending has a little something disappointing about it.
https://kisskh.at/list/W3rPl6w1
And anyone can add some dramas.
Most devastating ending I ever saw in a drama : Sandglass !
I didnt saw yet "1 liter of tears". But I will do. I'm sure it should be very sad, both ending and whole drama.
Hot! Lee Minho has explosive charisma !
Kim Go Eun voice is eargasm, Love her.
Cinematography is no joke, visuals slay.
Does this story have an ending?
Or is it going to be a story that gets longer season after season?
Until the drama is dropped without a sequel, the day it's no longer a hit...
Unfortunately, I've noticed that stories coming from a manhwa often have the same problems: lack of depth, slowing down, plot that wears out quickly, unrealism, lack of credibility, simplistic characters.
I have the feeling that manhwa writers are not as mature as scriptwriters.
I'll check some scenes from "ruler, owner of the mask", to confirm this.
I'm afraid that he's as unexpressive an actor as Rowon in "extraordinary you".
Under these conditions, it is impossible for me to believe in a love story...
Outside, she lives in a building, between the 15th and 20th floor.
The hero falls into the void.
Horrified, she immediately regrets her gesture, but it's too late...
The hero turns into a cat during the fall, and lands unharmed.
:-D
She kisses the cat, and unintentionally he turns into a human. :-)
This is where the protagonist suffers the most, where all misfortunes and injustices fall on him.
The most detestable characters completely ruin his life, everything is perfectly disgusting!