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Thanks for the info regarding the novel.

You're right, they might have a lot to cover but still, infodumping in the first half of the first episode isn't good storytelling. Vice Versa seems to be a plot-driven story, and that's fine but GMMtv doesn't know how to write good scripts...Imo, GMMtv best series are character driven stories (Bad Buddy, He's Coming to Me, Sotus).
Anyway, we'll see how it goes.

I'm not feeling it. The script is fresh but the execution is lacking...subtlety? The coincidence are too much : Talay meeting Puen at the airport, Talay working at the film set with Puen, Tun being a writer at Tess's family business... The whole thing is too fast and superficial. Why the info dump in the first 20min? We even had a 2 weeks time jump. They could have taken the full episode to set up the characters backgrounds and instill a bit of mystery. There are 12 episodes, why the haste?

I was literally screaming and rolling my eyes! Nothing made sense in this episode. Cake not waiting the evening to talk to Ton knowing he's very busy; Ton not stopping his ex-gf's intrusive questions... I'm mad at this episode.

Infuriating episode! So stupid and unbelievable. Who ask these intrusive questions during an interview?! And Cake once again put up with the situation instead of calling the ex-gf out for being rude and antagonistic. She could have gained the upper hand had she opened her mouth! Even better, all this commotion could have been avoided had she waited the evening to speak to Ton at her house.
Very disappointed with episode 10. At least, at the end, Cake expressed her feelings and expectations clearly, now the ball is in Ton's court.

Didn't I tell you to stop replying to me? You're wasting your time. I'm not reading you.

Not the female friend or ex-girlfriend coming back to create jealousy for our couple...
Can someone tell me why in so many BL one of the MC acts shy and awkward after the first kiss and/or first night together? I can understand it when the character is portrayed as very shy but usually they're not. Here, Kim isn't the shy type, he even initiated their first time so why the "reluctant" act afterwards? It's really annoying.
I wasn't expecting that explanation for ParkLee. That was new and interesting. And also sad (to keep your bf in the closet because of your own insecurities...).
The GL call-out was needed: yes lesbians existed and it's time they're put in the spotlight! We demand GL stories !!😂

His only work I like is LBC. He gave his all for this one lol. UWMA was so boring and overly dramatic (Fluke crying everytime, while his co-star was blank as wall...). I dropped it midway.
I think P'New lacks creativity and the sad thing is he doesn't improve. He always directs the same way, it seems he doesn't push the actors for a better performance, he never adds his own touch on the storylines. He does the bare minimum. I'm not hating, I'm only telling how I see it.

Exactly! I told the same: if he's directing, it's going to be bad. I never like his works. He's not a good director.

This isn't something new and nobody says otherwise...

Ridiculous and boring episode. The plot makes no sense; there was no need to create this drama with Prince!
Am I the only one annoyed with FahPrince's courtship? Is Prince a princess?! How many times Fah must express his interest in him? How many times should he ask Prince to be his bf? Why these two grown ass men act like a straight couple from a victorian novel?
There were many times they could have hold hands or kiss but they were all stiff and awkward like middle school boys, as if they didn't kiss twice the day before!

😂😂😂

"they never adress Tharn sexual assualt ,he is good guy here" -> but they did! He said he shouldn't have been in Type's space, he souldn't have touched him because it triggered Type's rape experience. Tharn knows what he did was wrong. I do agree he should have apologized directly to Type but well, nothing is perfect.

I've no idea! There's nothing to dislike. It might not be everyone cup of tea but the series is still good enough. I really don't get the negative comments.

The HiStory series were pretty good before (Crossing the Line, Right or Wrong, Stay Away From Me) but now Taiwanese BL are either bad or average (though We Best Love season 1 was good).

I'm surprised by the low rating. This romcom is very good so far. The acting is good (not over the top like in some thai series) and the main leads chemistry is there! There are many tropes but I like how they handle them quickly and cleverly.
Ton is one of the best ML I've seen in a lakorn : he's down-to-heart, respectful, considerate, and very nice.
Cake is also good, I understand her thought process, but I wish she'd be honest with her feelings and more proactive in the relationship.

Well, if we're talking about ourselves: I'm 37 and had been through a lot as a kid... I refuse to let my emotional baggages define my adult life and my relationships, so sometimes I visit my favorite therapist for a little chat...
I think what you and other people here misunderstand is the part of the script we highlight as being problematic.
We agree poor communication isn't toxic in itself, being an introvert isn't a toxic trait, and JW's low self-esteem isn't the issue. What viewers pointed out is how JW's chose to deal with his insecurities when they arose. Doing a disappearance act on SJ's birthday when JW damn well know he suffers from abandonment issues ? Not leaving an explanation so that SJ at least understand why he ended the relationship ? It could have been a letter, an email or a voice mail. Can we agree that these two things are bad and can scarred someone for life ? Then, when SJ found him, what prevented JW to sit with him and calmly explain why he doesn't love him anymore? He just had to be civil and honest from the get go. Why the jerk attitude, why the harsh words? As I said in my previous comment, when your insecurities make you act badly toward others, it's emotional abuse. In JW's case, he deliberately said those things to hurt SJ. He himself admitted it in ep8 or 9. That’s why they moved into unhealthy relationship. The fact that he was capable of hurting SJ before and he's doing it again one year later should raise concerns.

But the writers put blinders on and quickly reached a fluffly finale barely adressing what we witnessed. Ironically, the lack of communication is illustrated again with a 2 minutes resolution instead of having them properly discuss their insecurities and making plans to deal with it once and for all. In S1, JW’s insecurities were the reasons they almost didn’t get together and SJ had to fight for them. In S2 we got the same scenario and yet again no real resolution of their issues. So it’s totally understandable we are questioning the strength of their relationship and we worry there would be other instances where JW’s insecurities lead him to hurt SJ again.

Anyway, I’ll stop bothering you. I don’t want to be this person that forces their opinion on others 😊.

When your emotional baggage and insecurities make you act in ways that hurt your loved ones it's called emotional abuse. It becomes a toxic relationship for your loved ones. There are many forms of emotional abuse.
I'll give you a very common example: your lover is very jealous and doesn't let you talk with guys, doesn't let you have male friends. He constantly asks your whereabouts, checks your phone, makes a scene when you're about to go out, wants to know if a guy will be there. Except for this jealous behaviour, he's a nice and loving guy, never screams at you, never talks you down. Some traumas in his past explain his behaviors. However, his actions are taking a toll on you, you go out less and your social life reduces, you lose decade old frienships with male friends, you rethink every action and decision in order to avoid triggering him and causing arguments, you question your behaviour trying to understand why he doesn't truth you etc.
You see, in this relationship, your bf isn't violent, he's not trying to harm you, he might not even know what he's doing is wrong and impact your mental health. However, his behaviour has turned your relationship into a toxic one. Bf has to deal with his insecurites because he shouldn't make you reframe your life so everything you do is for/about him. Too many people wrongfully equate toxic relationship with violent acts or verbal abuse. It's not always the case.

I'm not reading all that since from your first sentence I see that as usual you totally missed the point, you don't comprehend what you read. There's no point continuing this discussion. Hope you'll get better some days.

Taylor Swift stalker is the reference now? I don't know the story and I don't care about that. We're talking about a series and I'm explaining to you the character's actions. Stay focus. Also, if collecting stuff from your crush is stalking them, what do you call collecting stuff from your fave singers/actors and following them around to take their photos at events? Hello, hypocrisy.