Kimsamsoom

I am game. i will just block all the trolls.

just great?

I thought I've reached legendary status already, I'm miffed >:(

Jin Goo is the voice of Yong Shil,

Why don't you write an all 10/10 review, and try to get it to be top 1. I'll be rooting for you! Hwaiting!

Most dramas that invest HEAVILY in a love triangle will have tons of Shippers on both sides of the coin.

But this drama did not perform well in Korea, barely breaking 5%, and dropping in the last few episodes.

A lot of it had to do with the way the writer wrote the characters. Internationally it did well, because international fans love their Ship Wars :)))) I mean look at vampire diaries, twilight, and Star Wars even.

Hard to say, it's best to watch at least until Ep. 8, if SLS is still there, then you may not enjoy the remaining episodes.

To be honest, even if you don't get SLS, the writing goes downhill after 6 episodes. A lot of plot holes this one has.

If don't think you can see what's wrong with the comment, let me point it out to you in point form.

1. You are goading here, being an ungracious winner, and reveling in the sadness/frustration of others. In short, it's borderline sadism. You enjoy seeing the suffering of other people. The more people "Cry", the happier you get, in fact your constant presence in these comment sections seems to only feed your need to see people unhappy with the show. This is classic sadism.

2. You are shaming a person for venting our their frustrations because they differ from your own perspective. By attaching negativity in their thoughts, which were in the beginning fairly neutral, you are implying that thoughts that are not similar to yours are to be shamed and ridiculed.

3. You are insulting the poster by implying that they do not have the right to their opinion to be sad. And you negatively reinforce this by calling Polo a crybaby. Thus completing the shaming of the poster without regards to how they may feel with such shaming.

4. Instead of stopping at just your first statement, you decide to double, and triple down on your comment, to maximize the shame you planned to impart to the poster. Unfortunately for you, Polo didn't seem affected by your toxic post, and so your intended reaction from Polo did not materialize.

If Polo chooses to write about a drama, regardless of the slant, it should be respected, because it's Polo's opinion. Just like if you had an opinion about the show, we'll respect it. But it won't stop us from arguing the logic/semantics/morals of your view. But a debate and criticism of a POV/Opinion is what MDL comment section is all about.

Now, attacking other posters personally, well that is just classic toxic troll. And i'm sure you know that.

Respecting other people is something you should try learning.

Astute :)))

Thank you for your contribution #30k :)))

It's shaming someone for posting their opinions. It's bullying someone because they don't share your views, and frankly, your the only one adding any toxicity to these comment sections. At a time when mental health issues abound, you should be careful and sensitive with what you write. You've been called out for your toxic behavior, and yet you still justify and defend it.

If you feel so confident there was nothing wrong with your post, why did you delete it? To be honest, I really thought you were just some harmless troll. You even at times had some wits about you, but now, you've just gone full on toxic troll.

Hopefully you learn from your mistake, and do better. Also, I pray to God, you do not treat people in real life like this, because it's just not cool and frankly, I don't think they deserve it.

I know you love shaming people for commenting a lot, but what people do with their time is up to them. If they want to live in the comment section, that is their choice. Plus when I post, I want to engage in conversation, and create discussion. When you post, all you do is "Try" to spread hate, key word here being try. Don't you get it? Most people just ignore your post, or probably already have you blocked. What happens when nobody pays attention to you anymore?

Nope, what you are doing is universally wrong. And when I see injustice, I speak up for it. There is no really justifying it unfortunately. You can create other accounts to agree with you, but in the end, your the one who is looking petty here, and all I can do is smile at it :))))

Don't be affected by those type of post Polo, we got your back :)))

The article I read mentioned that she hasn't had much jobs recently, and it may have made her depressed. Plus add to that the insane beauty standards in Kdrama, suicide is a possibility. But let's not jump to conclusions.

Really puts things in perspective, and how short life can be.

sg180 straight up attacking polo and calling her a crybaby, and really digging it in. It's just plain not nice.

Kind of mean don't you think? Like, make fun of HJP all you want, but how about you stop attacking other posters?

Maybe take some time and reflect in yourself, life is short, and your making fun of people in a comment section is not helping. Not everyone has your strong mental, and someday your words are going to cause serious harm, and then karma will come back for you. So maybe, choose your words more carefully in the future.

I pray, this is just your internet troll persona and not how you are in real life...

FYI, a Kdrama actress passed away today at 26 years old. Maybe take a break from your trolling, and come back tomorrow.

I have a response to this, but it's a really long one. So i'm going to wait when I have time to write it.

I want to discuss an issue plaguing society. The question is, is there any point in being a "Good Boy"? Is being a good person rewarding? And finally, we will delve into the people in society, who just love to take advantage of the "Good Boy's" in the world.

Yes, as a woman, I think US offers a lot more opportunities for women as compared to a lot of Asian countries. Plus there is definitely less pressure in beauty standard, and there is less judgement and discrimination.

Hahaha :)))

Good find!

Just discovered Kim Hae Sook in this drama, and I didn't realize she has played so many characters in movies/drama's I've watched. What an amazing actress, she nailed it out of the park for her portrayal of Grandma in Start Up.

You know me :))))

It's hard to say really. For the most part I don't really want to judge what people like or don't like. All I know is that there will always be people that love shows like Start Up and TKEM. What you and I may find cringy, others will find super sweet. And yes, it's certainly possible that some of this adulation for these shows are tainted with Actor/Actress bias, but as TKEM and Start Up has shown, those type of fans are slowly disappearing as the overall standards, expectations, and maturity of Kdrama audiences are on the rise, and if writers/directors don't change with the Kdrama Meta, they will continue to see negative blowback. Issues such as racism, sexism, and abusive relationship in Kdrama are already seeing blowback internationally and domestically. In fact one of the show I am watching now, Bling Empire, is already experiencing this.

I've explained this in some of my other post. A lot of the international fans you are seeing now who are starting to pick up Kdrama in the past decade or so, has had an ever changing adaptation to their taste. The audience maturity is evolving as the years pass by, and several amazing shows have come out in the past decade that has made audiences expectations for show much higher than decades past. Couple that with some really good shows on streaming sites like Netflix, and the audience expectation of a good show has never been higher. More and more audiences will no longer stand for poorly written plot, lazy writing, and the romanticizing of toxic subject matters.

You see at the start of the Hallyu Wave of Kdrama, western shows, for the most part, had not much depth. Western shows in the 90's were really more about production values, meaning a nice set, explosions, steamy scenes and etc.. Except for a few shows, there was not much emphasis on a more conservative romance, family values, and slow burn romance. Kdrama on the other hand at this time, didn't have the huge budget western shows had, so they had to rely on great acting, strong plot, and a gripping love story to keep the audience glued to their seat. And for the most part it worked, and that's when the hallyu wave began.

The problem is, in the need to bring up kdrama up there in production values compared to western shows, the producers are forgetting what made Kdrama so popular back in the day. So instead of great acting, strong plot, and a gripping love story, modern Kdrama's new formula has been replaced by Strong Visuals, High Production Value, and Hype. And so we get Start Up, which I think most will agree has great production value, nice visuals, and hype.

So unfortunately, there are still people in the kdrama watching audience who like the modern formula. Look no further than reading their review. They will say things like.

1. Oh the main couple looks so good together.
2. The production value is insane, and the cinematography is amazing.
3. OMG, it's Suzy and NJH, they are so amazing! Plus the writer is PHR, she wrote while you were sleeping, this is a sure hit.
4. Suzy looks so beautiful in her clothes in Start Up
5. The OST is amazing!

As you can see, there is less talk about the plot, love story, and the great acting, because some audience just accept whatever the writer/producers gives them. Also some people are such huge fans of the celebrity, that whatever the product being shown, they will just accept it.

MDL has lost quite a bit of credibility with how the ratings have fluctuated in the past few months, that I can't take any of the ratings seriously any more. The ratings on here are more of a guide than anything. Plus MDL has always been highly skewed since i've been here, there are never any shows that are rated below 5/10, no matter how bad the shows are. Which leads me to believe that most people rating on MDL, generously rate, regardless of how bad they think a show is. Just look at the reviews, some of them, pretty much bring up so many negative things about the show, but still rate it 8/10. So for some people 8/10 is considered not good.

So the 8.1/10 we see as the aggregate is probably not that great. There is a difference between hating a show, and finding a show bad but watchable.

I personally think Start Up is watchable because of KSH. Incredibly frustrating, and torturous, but still watchable. And for that I rated it a 6. I would never rewatch it though, as one torturous sitting is enough for me. What kept me watching episode after episode was not the amazing plot, but the faith I had that HJP would have a good ending.