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All it means is that LR, whether past or future or present, can never go pass that point in time. Because everytime he reaches that point, he will travel back to the past to "Save" himself, then die. Rinse and repeat.

In the end it's a romance film. So with 2 episodes left, there isn't much time for logic.

It looks like the writer got tired of LR so killed him off and made PM the main baddie.

And of course perfect LG is still perfect LG.

Yeah the Kid is the flute, kind of a letdown, how does it affect the story that the kid is the flute?

I really wanted TE to die, and Luna to live. The way I saw a better written plot would have TE die, then the baby LG grow up and fall in love with Luna instead of TE. Then have future LG also die. So it's a bitter sweet ending,.

Technically speaking, using the science as shown in the show. He should be much older than he was before he was stuck in the past, because everytime he uses the flute, time stops. Everytime LR uses the flute time stops. A few episodes ago, the time stops were already at 1 hour. And the time stop increases exponentially by the sq root.

So with the number of times we see the flute used, plus the number of times we didn't see it, but knew it happened. Time should be stopping for months, if not years every time the gate is used.

LR and LG are not suppose to age if they stay in that fantasy land with the balloons. For LG to make up for 25 years, But he still needs to stay inside for 4 months.

Also in this episode we see him leave the time space land 4 times to talk to, or contact TE. So logically if time stops each time he comes into the world. And keep in mind we see him talking to TE, so we know time has resumed. LG should be at the very least, 5-10 years older than his age of 32, which would make him in his 40's by the time he catches up to TE. But as you can see that is not the case.

Using math, based on LG calculation, each day in that time space world is equal to 76 days outside.

That would not work, because LG isn't transferring his consciousness when he time travels/parallel world jump, he is physically going to different times. So it would not make sense.

Also as I mentioned in another post, there should be at this point in time a million LG by now.

For clarification about what I mean, watch the family guy episode where Stewie and Brian time travels. They end up in a situation where there are infinite number of Stewie and Brians all in the same space time. How does family guy solve this? The "Original" Stewie and Brian kills all the other Stewie and Brian.

The minute you introduce a time travelling device, this sort of dilemma immediately occurs.

TE dead, would make for a more interesting time travel story. Stabbing her lightly, then leaving without finishing the job, felt like a plot device to make us go Oh noes, TE may die, when so obviously she would not. It wasn't even as shocking as The Truck of Doom. Just felt like a weak plot device added for Reasons.

LR goes back in time, and instead of telling past LR to kill baby LG, do it yourself? He already had the answer, he knew what it would take for the coup to succeed. For someone who is smart like LR, it felt disappointing that he was not smart enough at the end. He didn't die due to arrogance from Past LR, he dies due to stupidity of Future LR.

You want to rectify your mistake, Go kill baby LG, it's not like he didn't know where it was. And he looks the same age as Past LR, so not like people would suspect him. Just a huge plot hole imo, made for dramatic effect.

Plus i've never been a fan of killing your past self so many ramifications. Kill your future self, nothing changes. It's never been logical to me.

Logically speaking, LR cannot go pass that timeline in the future. Let us say on Dec 15 2020 he decides to go back to warn himself. His past LR cannot go pass Dec 15, 1994, since at that time, he will also go back to Dec 15, 2020.

KTEM is showing that not only are the two worlds parallel, the timelines are parallel too. Which means 1994 and 2020, exist in the same axis, eventho LG say it doesn't. Based on what is happening and etc... It is.

How come Future LR ends up in the same place as Future LG? This doesn't make sense. According to yoyo boy, when the flute is one, you end up in the time and place where you save yourself. It's implied save yourself, means save your life. So LR essentially goes to the timeline, where instead of saving himself, he just dies?

Why does future LR flute disappear? and why does LG flute not disappear.

KTEM makes an assumption that not only are Corea and Korea parallel world. But Corea in 2019 and Corea in 1994 are also parallel worlds. This does not make sense.

When Future LR died, that should be it for him. No more LR pass that day he travels to the past. Because everytime that day comes, past LR will go back and get killed by another past LR, and he will die again, and over and over again.

Obviously after past LR kills future LR, he didn't have time to hide the body, because his face and clothes is full of blood and he didn't bother to clean that up. So how come whoever discovered dead future LR there didn't have questions?

With what LR and LG did in the past, there doesn't seem to be any ramifications, nothing in the future has changed, which is quite unrealistic.

Also, this looks to be an infinite time loop, where the same thing, should be happening over and over again.

There could theoretically be a million LG based on what is happening in KTEM. Because a LG from 1 day ago, and LG from 2 days ago would be two different LG, and everytime they hear the flutes sound, they can travel to that same moment when baby LG will be killed.

Also LG was travelling back and forth so many times. How come time stops haven't lasted months, if not years by now. I was thinking the time stopping thing would be rationed, but he obviously goes to Corea and Korea at least 4-5 times, at LEAST. So based on his math theory, time stopping should be months now, if not years. So the age of him and TE should not match anymore. Did KES forget this mechanic? It's shown pretty clearly to still be happening when LG first goes to 1994 Korea.

To match up to 25 years, he needs to stay in the time space world for 4 months. How does he not die, Where is the food? water? shelter? He has no money, for either parallel world. He has no other clothes. There is day and night in the time space, how doe she not freeze from the cold?

The time travel/parallel world story has gotten quite convoluted.

Also SJ arc and PM arc are looking to go downhill. Especially PM. So we're just going to ahead and make the cartoonishly evil PM.

Overall, Ep 14 felt more like a romantic episode. So since I feel nothing for this couple, I was just cringing the whole time.

Yes there are two LG. Honestly, one of them will die most likely. we just don't know which one, since you can't have 2 LG for 1 TE.

The TE and Luna part I was disappointed. I was happy Luna stabbed TE, but unhappy that she didn't outright kill her. Felt really anti-climatic, because you know she's going to survive that small knife wound.

when LR killed LR, it surprised me, but also made me laugh. Also yoyo boys explanation on the Flute also made me laugh.

Everything is being explained so ridiculously now. Also Shinjae's story is done, pretty much. The big reveal disappointing. Instead of fixing plot holes, these recent episode just added more.


I don't like where things are headed, all roads are pointing that they are going to make the PM a super villian, and pretty much ignore LR.

I don't understand why greed and ambition are necessarily bad things. I've watched so many political and corporate shows, where these two attributes are necessary to be successful in politics, corporate culture.

Let's hope that paint he keeps stirring ends up being Wildfire to blow up the monarchy.

I mean, I am kinda hoping that when LR first goes to parallel Korea, the boy helps him with something, because maybe he thought LR was good.

That is why when LR meets him, there is that sense of familiarity, and he doesn't kill yoyo boy.

And it makes sense when yoyo boy tells TE, that he is bringing balance. Like I helped LR, now its time to help you.

Yoyo boy is basically just an observer, that meddled in LR life, now he's meddling in TE's life.

I'm still peeved that LR did not just kill TE when she was captured, especially in that same episodes he tells his henchmen, I don't need her alive to be bait. Like WTF!

It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Have you ever met someone who sees a picture of LMH with a girl (who turns out to be his sister), but has already made a million theories on who the girl is, complete with backstory, their compatibility, their chemistry, where she lives based on the clothes she is wearing, her height, her age, her everything, based off on one picture?

That is Charlotte to the T.

Go ahead and overthink and analyze great works like Shakespeare, Arthur Millers' Death of a Salesman, Animal Farm and etc...

But please, do not overanalyze KTEM. LOL!

Ok sure she blackmailed him, BUT LG is a murderer, and also a villain, no matter how you twist things around, that is a FACT.

LG killed people, their innocence is not up to LG to judge.

I was having some light fun, don't take it seriously lol.

TKEM is not that deep. Listen Charlotte, I can watch My Little Pony, and right a 100 page report, on how the ponies do a good job on showing the rise of feminism in the current society.

It is very very easy to find meaning in some things even if there isn't. A good example of this is poetry. There are some poems that are maybe 4 or 5 lines, yet they write book reports that span 20-50 pages on how each word in that poem represent something.

The only way you can really argue your points, is if KES told you, this is what she meant. It's all conjecture and opinion at this point. Your is not more valid than mine, as mine is not more valid than yours. Although, I do seem to have more support on my side.

CLOY is already done streaming, KTEM is still showing, so i'm not surprised by the ratings.

By the way Space Force, will be ranking number #1 soon, bye bye KTEM.

I don't know why he woud help LG? No one in this drama believes in the parallel world until they are actually brought there, not TE, not Eunsup, SJ doesn't count since technically he's from there.

So why would the chief suddenly believe some wild story from future LG or LG in present, its inconsistent with the way the parallel world is accepted by people in ROK.

Currently the rest of the police force serve no other purpose than to let SJ or TE know that they went on vacation, or how being in Violent Crimes suck.

I doubt there is enough time to close out so many stories. I already know the reveal of yoyo boy's importance will be anticlimatic.

hahaha yeah! :)

I can't believe this is the same writer as Goblin, I actaully thought Yoon in Na's character was well written compared to PM.

Like I said in another post, even Goblin, being a sort of god, was still accountable for his actions, and had rules to follow.

LG? nope, he is the top of the food chain. Imagine a CEO of a company that you can't vote out, that' essentially LG, he can do whatever he wants.

Still praying for the downfall of monarchy in Corea lol.

You should read my little writeup on the Topics portion. And that's just episode 1, lol, if I have more time, i may do all the episodes. Depends on how PM is treated in next 3 episodes.

We saw that scene diffferently, you need to rewatch it, since your missing certain things. The ex-husband was obviously the one trying to get her to do shady things and blackmailing her, and she just responded in kind.

A parallel of this is shown with Shinjae, he was offered a bribe, and he rejected saying, when I come back here, you better be here so I can arrest you.

It's a parallel situation, how you misunderstood that part, I don't understand.

Go ahead and bring up KTEM in your next literature course. And tell them, KTEM is as deep as shakespeare and other literary works, and see how the professor will react.

Most modern works, don't require you to fill in the gaps as you say. There are four types of media that do require this sort of deductive reasoning as you say. Poetry, Music, Shakespeare, and Plays (see shakespeare).

KTEM isn't any of those categories. It's simply a Kdrama with a simple plot, meant for a generalized audience.

And whether international audience adore it doesn't matter. Let me ask you, did you like Transformers live action? Those two movies were well loved by the international audience, but ridiculed quite harshly by critics and reviewers.

And what did people like about Transformers? Mostly production value, effects, hotness of main lead girl. So basically expensive fluff. KTEM is probably falling under the same category here, it's a well produced Drama, don't get me wrong, the CGI, and production value is high, but that's about it, nothing more than expensive fluff.

I can already tell you, in the future, this will not be in people top 10 watch list for Kdrama. While CLOY, TWOTM, IC, and WTCB, with all be talked about as the best shows in 2020 many many years in the future.

yup, she was our wonderfully grey PM all the way until ep 13.

I was even making her whitish grey, because of all her adorable scenes with her mom.

Go to episode 1, the success of Correa is because of her. LG even acknowledges it.

It's double standard. TE on her phone was shown google searches about many different things including stuff that is suspicious. But because it's TE, it's cute and loveable. But when PM does it, it's high treason!

I think it's kind of funny, if you'll notice LG lies to all the women in the show, which include lady Noh, the PM, the other old lady that serves him, and even TE actually.

LG treatment of women in the show is kinda laughable and very misogynistic. But since he is the king, swoon? lol

The bookstore scene really got me. I'm like wow! can't believe that just happened. Not even self defence, or nothing, just basically a kill order. It wasn't even them who killed buyeong, which makes it even more senseless.

for me, her arguments seem weak and rooted too much in imagination and dialogue.

Like she's ready to give the heroes a benefit fo the doubt for their actions, but villains don't deserve that?

I've never been a lover of black and white, I love my grey characters, and I feel the PM is a very wonderfully grey character, except for ep 13, which you know, was just such failure.

Wait, so you think a drama about a weak person who succumbs to his temptation and hardship, but eventually finds a way to deal with it in his own way, and eventually redeems himself is a bad drama?

While a drama where we have the perfect person, an omnipotent one even, whose only emotional scar is he doesn't like people touching him, and is wary of people poisoning his food, but everything else is perfect is a well written drama?

Oh boy, no comment.

Well LG has done many things that violate deceny and morality. Cold blooded murder is quite high on that list of villain things. So LG is a villain now right?

Yes, they were, there are manipulated by LR, we don't know what crimes they did. Plus they didn't have weapons at the time. It's murder, no matter how you spin it.

So your saying in any war. When the soldies killed other soldiers in cold blood, it's warranted, because it's war? So when soldiers go in and kill child soldiers, who are weaponless, it's fine, because it's war? Maybe recheck what you wrote.

I can tell, you don't watch a lot of political shows, or even corporate shows.

a rower, like how LG is rowing is not accesible if your poor. Those boats cost thousand if not tens of thousand of dollars, and not the add all the training, equipment, staff and etc..

You must think all the poor people in the world are rowing...

we don't know the school system in Corea, for all we know college isn't publically funded, so we can't make comments on him/her being a mathematician if they were poor.

If LG was poor, his image of women would still be poor. He is not a patient person, and with money problem he may become violent. He already acts and moves with his heart rather than his brain, which means as a poorer person he may get into a lot of fights.

Hey may have problem finding a job due to his emotional disposition. As a poor person, with no one respecting or serving him, he may become an evil person. I'm thinking thug or gangster.

I rewatch the scene Charlotte is obsessed with, I don't see what she did as treasonous?

She wanted to investigate about the assasination from 25 years, and it's considered treasonous? She asked her ex husband, who has connections. Her ex husband tries to blackmail her, but she reminds him, she's got dirt on him also.

From what I gather, LG keeps lying to her, and disrespecting her position, reminding her she's nothing more than a pawn.

Then her mom tells her she thinks she saw LR at her fish shop. So PM starts getting suspicious and did an off the books investigations on her own. She even bigs LG a chance to be honest with her, but no he does not want, so it forces her to find information on her own. And suddenly its treason?

It sucks too because her intentions, although not noble, were not necesarilly bad, we can argue she is a PM, in position of power, and in her position, information is important. If the kings doesn't want to share info, is she suppose to go "oh well, that's life".

But no, she's a smart woman, who has her own means to find information, and that's what she does, and she's a treasonous snake all of sudden? Like what?

It seems some viewers will not be happy unless our PM is just some random, eye candy that just say yes to everything, and nods along like some grunt. A strong, intelligent woman, shows initiative, but the world of KTEM won't give her a break, and we must destroy her character.

If viewer hate wasn't enough to destroy PM, the writer made sure to obliterate her in Ep 13. They pretty much made her a bigger monster than LR in that episode.

That scene of when a bunch of men came in, told her to leave, and her adviser/confidante basically told her, i'm attaching myself to a bigger fish, broke me.

Plus I cannot forgive LG for ordering what happened to the bookstore. That was just so cold, and for me its as bad as what LR did. It was so cold, LR had to question in that episode, "has the king always been this cold".

Fun fact, LG has killed more people in this drama than all the other characters combined.