I don't care if you got sprayed with bullets, but dang.... the password-move was BOLD af! Totally badass! <3 Respect man! Goes on to show how money-greedy Nam Tae-Il was all along! :/
Wow, isn't this show about two humans who massively overestimate their own worth and keep bluffing, only to realize they were expendable all along. -_-
I'm wondering if Mira is really dating that guy tho. In the manga, the same thing happens but Shizuka later tells…
It doesn't matter if she's dating the other guy or not..... the creators make it seem like Ren/ Rui was ditched in favor of another man, and that doesn't reflect greatly upon a character written to be a champion on independence and the FL's role model. It optics of it make it seem so, because that's the order in which the events play out. ONLY we viewers know Shizuka enough to know that 'choosing b/w' men wasn't the case. I wished they changed that bit here in 2021, where Ren would find himself incompatible with Mira's work-life/ career ambitions as she had very little time left for him. That's all.
Though I genuinely wonder too if Mira's dating the other guy or not... however that has very little impact on the storytelling now.
The understanding I got from the monologue is that Mira didn't break up with him, he left because he realized…
That's a really profound, insightful, mature and non-petty way of seeing things, and I really appreciate it. Yeah, I'm more optics oriented, and I also come from a place of strong personal-bias, hence I'm quick to blame! Thank heavens I didn't study literature or I'd be messing up real bad! xD I honestly didn't know I had been secretly craving for the response you gave... till I read it. Thank you... I think I can see a bigger picture now!
The understanding I got from the monologue is that Mira didn't break up with him, he left because he realized…
Yeah, well... I never insinuated that Mira was the one who called off the 'relationship'. The fact that situation evolved to make it seem like it was a pick between two MEN for her, a fiercely independent woman..... is what I thought would be changed in this iteration of the adaptation, because it reflects poorly on her & honestly, also because.... her character was never 'about love?'
Ren was right in recognizing that he could never be a part of her world. That's on HIM. To put it blatantly, my major gripe with Mira is that EVEN if they weren't in a relationship, she very much led Ren on (unintentionally) by cohabiting with him. People call-out Ren, whenever he seems flirty and giving mixed-signals to Gorya. But Mira playing house with Ren in Paris... is NOT considered leading the guy on, and she gets a free pass? -_- Such double-standards tbh.
The fact that this encounter is largely responsible for messing up his head to point where he subconsciously wants to reverse the power-dynamic and play it along by keeping Gorya in HIS own shoes... is a very interesting angle to the character. I think it takes away from the complexity of his character-design, the moment we choose to ignore the parallels and the obvious connection between the 'Mira-Ren' and 'Ren-Gorya' dynamics.
I see a lot of people struggling to understand Gorya’s actions in this episode, and I think it’s a side effect…
Yeah, unlike us viewers, Gorya is only privy to moments she spends WITH Thyme; her opinions forming largely over what she sees, or listens about him from somebody else. We have warmed up to him a lot more than she has, at this point. Given that, Gorya's actions really aren't all that contradictory, or even worth receiving dislike. Watching only Thyme-Gorya scenes is enough of a realization... that they haven't exactly spent a lot of time together. More of his heroic moments happen outside of Gorya's immediate bubble, like Hana.
Did they actually make it clear yet what happened though? We didn't even see if she likes the other guy. In other…
Sure, Ren has his issues which is why the situation turned out to be the way it is. All I'm saying is that things could have been a LOT different, if she chose to deal with the situation in a smarter way? Given the fact that she's going to pursue labor laws and be a humanitarian, pro-bono lawyer, her people-skills are WAY off! xD
If she genuinely liked Ren romantically, then she being the adult should have at least talked it out. How things were NOT working out for them. If she only wanted to 'be friends' & did not like Ren romantically, she should not have given him tons of mixed signals by cohabiting with him. No matter how ambiguous their 'situation' was... either way I look, and she seems pretty guilty of the kinda of emotional baggage Ren has atm, and the MESS of a person he's become. Even if he did NOT have his insecurity issues, anybody's heart would be wounded badly in Ren's shoes. IMO, Mira leads him on, and Ren, to a large extent, uses a similar technique on Gorya, to get back at the unfair hand he's been dealt by life & the universe. He always had victim-playing tendencies, and Mira's situation just intensified that.
Ren's Character is not as you pictured him. First of all, Mira and Ren were never a couple. She was her life-long…
"First of all, Mira and Ren were never a couple. " All I'm saying is that Mira has to be in the know that Ren likes her. I mean, the rest of the f4 know it, and she's chummy with all 4 of them. And she's even CLOSER to Ren. She has to know. She's smart. Not everything has to be spelled out or explicitly drawn by the author/ artist for us to make logical conclusions. With enough backstory/ characterization, readers are smart enough to form opinions.
Now, if Mira doesn't think of Ren in a romantic way, yet invites him over to play house with her (given the fact he's loaded, and doesn't NEED to crash with her & can get his OWN place in Paris)... and this co-hab situation goes on for months... then I think I can logically conclude that she pretty much used him to a certain extent, and then moved on from him (we don't know if she likes the Parisian dude back or not, but she 'moved-on' from Ren, as is evident from her farewell note to him)
Acknowledging the fact that Mira leads Ren on... is in fact, a very important step to understanding the near-future dynamic between Ren & Gorya, at least from Ren's POV.
"You are making her looking as a gold digger and she is not." No, my purpose is not character assassination of a fictional woman. Mira is very likely not gold-digging like you said. But moving on to another Man SO swiftly, before you have officially ended your past situation-ship is just a BAD look. It looked bad then, it looks bad in 2021. Nobody can deny that. I'm not the one making her look bad, though. The authors have already done that ! xD
About everything you wrote in between the two sentences... I absolutely agree. I have zero problems with Ren, or his reaction, or his perception of the entire situation. In fact that's a very normal/ common scenario. His grief and coping mechanism are beautifully portrayed! :)
YES!! I felt the same. Also the way characters in this version always communicate clearly makes the whole missunderstanding…
Okay, running out of patience vs being too prideful to explain. The former works, the latter doesn't... because of inconsistency. I wish I can somehow adjust my viewing lens to enjoy this version better. Where do I sign up for getting my memory of watching this story 4 times before, erased? :P
Probably, because the version of her that you see is purely based on what Ren is seeing. Hence, it is filtered…
I really need someone from the Manga-readers to confirm whether Mira and Ren sleep together, and if they have a LEGIT relationship or not? Because I'm pretty sure it's implied in some versions that yes, they pretty much *were* sleeping with e/o at the VERY least. The 'relationship' aspect is very likely NOT imagined by Ren; it's very likely it wasn't 'only in his head'. Unless I get clarity on the semantics of their 'relationship' I will refrain from commenting if we need to see the situation from Mira's perspective....
Question: What do you think was the significance of Gorya pricking herself and drawing blood when she was punching…
Heh, I thought Gorya pricking her finger fits nicely with how Thyme's personification is a black (and sometimes red) rose? And roses are known for being thorny in the wild, and outside of florist shops. Even the plushie is black, with a red colored scarf. Thought the scene was well done!
With how 'woke' and 'feminist' f4: thailand was going, I REALLY hoped the reason why Mira and Ren break up in 2021, would be because she's TOO ambitious for him? The whole 'right guy, but wrong timing' thing? The way Ren's existence around her 24/7 kinda prevents her from exerting herself 100% to achieve her dreams of social justice and equal rights for all?
The fact that Ren was 'rejected' on behalf of another, more well-settled, richer MAN.... is sorta distasteful, and makes Mira's character appear shallow. Ugh. I *really* do NOT get the hype around her. xD
So, wait... did Mira-Ren's relationship organically just wear off? Was it ever a mutual thing in the first place? Mira seems like a fighter and she wouldn't have given up on Ren so easily, and moved on SO quick, had she loved Ren as much as he did. Which brings me to my next round of thoughts. Why couldn't Mira turn Ren away when he randomly lands up at her doorstep? Why would you play house with someone, knowing they got feelings for you, and ditch them eventually, after their feelings obviously intensified? THIS is why people be leaving broken hearts and damaged souls everywhere. -_-
Honestly, after the Second ML comes clean about the France arc, I have always been super irritated with her character in every. single. version. She's as much of a user as Ren is. I honestly never get the hype and fangirling around her, given that she's demystified so explicitly, by the Second ML. And why do I not see more people calling her out? :O
YES!! I felt the same. Also the way characters in this version always communicate clearly makes the whole missunderstanding…
THIS. EVERYTHING YOU SAID. Like everything hurts lesser... compared to HYD and even the other versions too. Mainly because, the characters are TOO nice? TOO understanding and TOO woke? To the point they do not have the original character weaknesses (like pride, self-centeredness, etc) but the situation and misunderstandings are still the same, so it feels.... inconsistent? Like Thyme was being SO sweet and understanding, putting HIS pride aside for Gorya's sake (by hiding the phone) just in a scene earlier... but after hitting Tesla, he's suddenly TOO prideful to explain? Sigh. Please, most of the problems in the story was because the characters were TOO hormonal save for Rui who was... TOO passive?!!
Most of these changes have been a mixed-bag for me. It's refreshing to see them play out, but I also am slowly making peace with the fact that things may lose their significance & logic, as a result!
He really really likes Gorya and Ren knows. I think it's worth feeling incredibly hurt over if his best friend…
Absolutely..... Ren does what is totally uncalled for. That 'betrayal' is a separate issue. I was mainly talking about the situation b/w the two leads, and just that! :')
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Wish me luck, lmao! :P
Goes on to show how money-greedy Nam Tae-Il was all along! :/
Though I genuinely wonder too if Mira's dating the other guy or not... however that has very little impact on the storytelling now.
I honestly didn't know I had been secretly craving for the response you gave... till I read it. Thank you... I think I can see a bigger picture now!
Ren was right in recognizing that he could never be a part of her world. That's on HIM. To put it blatantly, my major gripe with Mira is that EVEN if they weren't in a relationship, she very much led Ren on (unintentionally) by cohabiting with him.
People call-out Ren, whenever he seems flirty and giving mixed-signals to Gorya. But Mira playing house with Ren in Paris... is NOT considered leading the guy on, and she gets a free pass? -_- Such double-standards tbh.
The fact that this encounter is largely responsible for messing up his head to point where he subconsciously wants to reverse the power-dynamic and play it along by keeping Gorya in HIS own shoes... is a very interesting angle to the character. I think it takes away from the complexity of his character-design, the moment we choose to ignore the parallels and the obvious connection between the 'Mira-Ren' and 'Ren-Gorya' dynamics.
If she genuinely liked Ren romantically, then she being the adult should have at least talked it out. How things were NOT working out for them. If she only wanted to 'be friends' & did not like Ren romantically, she should not have given him tons of mixed signals by cohabiting with him. No matter how ambiguous their 'situation' was... either way I look, and she seems pretty guilty of the kinda of emotional baggage Ren has atm, and the MESS of a person he's become. Even if he did NOT have his insecurity issues, anybody's heart would be wounded badly in Ren's shoes.
IMO, Mira leads him on, and Ren, to a large extent, uses a similar technique on Gorya, to get back at the unfair hand he's been dealt by life & the universe. He always had victim-playing tendencies, and Mira's situation just intensified that.
All I'm saying is that Mira has to be in the know that Ren likes her. I mean, the rest of the f4 know it, and she's chummy with all 4 of them. And she's even CLOSER to Ren. She has to know. She's smart. Not everything has to be spelled out or explicitly drawn by the author/ artist for us to make logical conclusions. With enough backstory/ characterization, readers are smart enough to form opinions.
Now, if Mira doesn't think of Ren in a romantic way, yet invites him over to play house with her (given the fact he's loaded, and doesn't NEED to crash with her & can get his OWN place in Paris)... and this co-hab situation goes on for months... then I think I can logically conclude that she pretty much used him to a certain extent, and then moved on from him (we don't know if she likes the Parisian dude back or not, but she 'moved-on' from Ren, as is evident from her farewell note to him)
Acknowledging the fact that Mira leads Ren on... is in fact, a very important step to understanding the near-future dynamic between Ren & Gorya, at least from Ren's POV.
"You are making her looking as a gold digger and she is not."
No, my purpose is not character assassination of a fictional woman. Mira is very likely not gold-digging like you said. But moving on to another Man SO swiftly, before you have officially ended your past situation-ship is just a BAD look. It looked bad then, it looks bad in 2021. Nobody can deny that. I'm not the one making her look bad, though. The authors have already done that ! xD
About everything you wrote in between the two sentences... I absolutely agree. I have zero problems with Ren, or his reaction, or his perception of the entire situation. In fact that's a very normal/ common scenario. His grief and coping mechanism are beautifully portrayed! :)
Unless I get clarity on the semantics of their 'relationship' I will refrain from commenting if we need to see the situation from Mira's perspective....
The fact that Ren was 'rejected' on behalf of another, more well-settled, richer MAN.... is sorta distasteful, and makes Mira's character appear shallow.
Ugh. I *really* do NOT get the hype around her. xD
Which brings me to my next round of thoughts. Why couldn't Mira turn Ren away when he randomly lands up at her doorstep? Why would you play house with someone, knowing they got feelings for you, and ditch them eventually, after their feelings obviously intensified? THIS is why people be leaving broken hearts and damaged souls everywhere. -_-
Honestly, after the Second ML comes clean about the France arc, I have always been super irritated with her character in every. single. version. She's as much of a user as Ren is. I honestly never get the hype and fangirling around her, given that she's demystified so explicitly, by the Second ML. And why do I not see more people calling her out? :O
Like everything hurts lesser... compared to HYD and even the other versions too. Mainly because, the characters are TOO nice? TOO understanding and TOO woke? To the point they do not have the original character weaknesses (like pride, self-centeredness, etc) but the situation and misunderstandings are still the same, so it feels.... inconsistent? Like Thyme was being SO sweet and understanding, putting HIS pride aside for Gorya's sake (by hiding the phone) just in a scene earlier... but after hitting Tesla, he's suddenly TOO prideful to explain? Sigh. Please, most of the problems in the story was because the characters were TOO hormonal save for Rui who was... TOO passive?!!
Most of these changes have been a mixed-bag for me. It's refreshing to see them play out, but I also am slowly making peace with the fact that things may lose their significance & logic, as a result!