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Thank you for your answer :D That changes a lot if it has already passed censorship, indeed. So exciting if it really could air this year. Especially since I am holding back on continuing to read, at the moment, because i know it’ll take some time for the other official books to come out, and I’m the impatient type lol.

I also apologise if I made it seem in my previous comment as though I was putting down hyx in comparison to tgcf, especially about the complexity of the world and its narrative. I am aware of the themes that run through hyx, and can sense from the first volume that there is a lot to unpack, and that the story has a lot of depth. I was thinking more so from the perspective that, based on what I have heard, and what I have read of hyx, it seems much more of a risk to let it air, even as censors have approved it compared to tgcf, bc of how a lot of the elements in volume 1 that I’ve read, circle the narrative around the complexity of chu wanning and mo ran’s love-hate relationship (not to mention other things like the necrophilia etc).

Bypassing the events in the story so far due to censorship is quite a lot more difficult than for tgcf I feel, where the narrative doesn’t require an extremely obvious focus on hualian: in the novel, hua cheng is 90 percent of the time just accompanying xie lian, and seems suspicious to everyone else. So in terms of censorship, it’s quite easy to adapt in comparison, bc there is not much to change: on the surface, hua cheng would just appear to be a ghost king at first, who might possibly have evil intentions, and then we’d find out that he was saved by XIe lian as a child, and was a soldier to his kingdom. So, once again, on the surface, one could easily assume and convince censors that hua cheng simply admires XIe lian and therefore wants to stick by him, just like any loyal soldier to his general or prince. A similar case is Wen Ke Xing in WOH. Whereas, I feel it’s more difficult to pull that off with hyx. Idk, would you agree?

Either way, I’m glad to hear then that as it has passed censorship, the team behind the drama have done a great job. Can’t wait! I hope you’re right about it airing in mid-may!!

I’ve just started reading 2ha after binge-reading svsss and tgcf. ik there is little likelihood of either Immortality or Eternal faith coming out any time soon, but does anyone want to theorise on whether there is a chance Eternal Faith might be released this year if Immortality does not? Because from what I’ve read so far of 2ha (nearly finished volume 1), it’s hard to imagine the censors actually approving, even if they try to edit it a ton, until the censorship laws become more lax or change. But as a comparison, the tgcf novel can super easily be adapted into a drama as a ‘platonic’ bond on the surface because there is so much importance placed on the world building and the pasts of the characters. So idk if anyone want to muse on this with me, realistically when would either drama drop(2ha/eternal faith) given the current circumstances (whatever estimate it might be)?

Cant get enough of Tul's expression when he saw Waan's face for the first time after realising that was his internet friend:


https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFtjaLLK/


I feel invested in them lol

Physician Kwon doesn’t care about the Queen, he only cares about his goal, which is to take the throne. If the queen was not queen, I’m sure he would not wish any harm upon her, but because she’s close to revealing his identity, which would both foil his plan of becoming king as well as put his life in danger (and everyone else he loves), then he must oppose the queen in order for things to go as smoothly as possible on his side. If he needs to kill the queen in order to achieve what he wants, he will, or anyone else who is in the way for that matter (such as the late CP). It doesn’t matter if the queen is a good person or not, though of course, he probably takes no actual pleasure in bringing harm to her or her family, but there are bigger things for him at stake. Hope that clarifies :)

She’s transgender :) it’s even said explicitly by Consort Hwang who describes her as “a woman in a male body” or a “woman at heart”

The trailer was so good and they fit their given roles so well!!

Had to make an edit cause im so excited:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFHVQd1k/

thank you so much for your efforts!

thank you,! yes it did seem like it was an unusual thing from that studio so I assumed there was an issue of that sort indeed, that's good to know that they're trying to fix it <3

thank you! I'm in the uk right now and I tried the belgian vpn and it worked so hopefully i can use that from now on ^^

Thanks for taking the time to read and respond! <3
Yeah I think that because he’s been so exposed to disturbing events, it might make sense for Kai to still leave Kiritani’s corpse behind given that the cops were arriving (because, for instance, he didn’t cry when the kid died either), but it’s just too strange that Kiritani would have been taken away by someone else in his sleep when Kai was right next to him. If Kai wasn’t the killer, he definitely would have woken up or sensed something. Kiritani was quite literally a breath away. Not to mention that the killer never shows his actual face, and therefore doesn’t have a concrete identity, so it is very possible that the “killer” with the mask is only a fictional person in Kai’s mind and that he’s the one committing the crimes, or at least killed Kiritani

Oh okie thanks a lot, hopefully it’ll work for me! (Unfortunately i can’t even watch or find the first ep on YouTube tho, is there a reason why?)

For some reason, I can’t watch it or find it anywhere. Both on YouTube and IQYI it says that the episodes are unavailable for my location (the UK) and no one seems to have uploaded the new episode on either dramacool or myasiantv, im so lost i just want to enjoy this show in peace T.T

Is it just me tho or others struggling like this lol?

Wow yeah that makes no sense at all

I agree with you that MAME is a very problematic writer but i actually thought the way they handled the scenes in the last episode were well-written with how 1.) They showed how traumatic something like r4pe is (so it wasnt romantisicing it) and 2.) Prapai's reaction: being emotionally supportive and present toward Sky to help him cope with his trauma, stayed patient and gave him affirmation and comfort

I do think that this series has a lot of gray areas and that the trauma for instance should have been explored more after the events in the final ep but i also felt that some of the writing in the last scenes, particularly in terms of Prapai telling Sky that in his presence, it is safe for him to cry but crying himself instead was quite interesting. Particularly because that moment was highlighting Sky's trauma with how his coping mechanism was to repress everything he felt after going through an abvsive situation. Meanwhile, Prapai crying in his stead to express what Sky was holding back, empathising with his pain.

That was just one side of my perspective though so i was curious as to why you still felt that way (if you feel like it, could you please elaborate)? 💕

Just a few posts below you might see a thread of theories/interpretations that I wrote answering to another person’s comment (I watched the film without subs tho so the other person was also informing me of the events more clearly, so maybe what I wrote doesn’t seem as solid anymore but I’d love to elaborate on what I currently think if you have any thoughts on what i wrote), if you’re interested ofc~

Ps: I’m curious to hear what your theories are as well <3

Thank you so much for explaining the context better, I’m so glad that’s the case then!

That makes a lot more sense now! I had sensed that there was a higher power behind Kai and the guy who was working as a prostitute but I wasn’t sure how exactly that came into place and why Kiritani would be suddenly killed or targeted again so thanks again for clearing that up. I guess whilst that almost completely brushes off the second theory (thankfully), I still wonder if the first theory I had written about could still play in somehow. Nevertheless, I’m just happy that Kiritani was in love with Kai without being “betrayed” by him, but just sad that, given that Kai was right there, that he couldn’t have prevented it somehow. It leaves much to think about symbolically though. I really liked this movie even though it was so heavy and saddening, I do kind of wish that Kai had at least taken a glimpse at Kiritani’s face before leaving him, but I’m at ease knowing that he at least saved Kiritani’s lighter, which he will keep by his side from now on. In a way, that lighter also represented Kiritani’s strong will and intention to live the way the way he wants to, his “burning” spirit that allowed him to overcome his trauma from being raped. So Kiritani’s will still lives on through Kai.

In any case, thank you for the kind compliments as well, I’m very pleased, and for reading all of that. It was fun talking about the film with you :>

if you copy paste the japanese name on the website dandanzan, then you'll find it but there are no subs out yet anywhere

I'm so happy to see someone discuss this movie!! I just finished it yesterday too and because there aren't any subs yet I tried to understand it as best I could through the visual storyline (and also through the basic, basic japanese that i can recognise). I actually thought I understood it pretty well and seeing your comment affirms that so it's a relief.

I'm particularly glad because, whilst I did understand that, in the end, Kai wasn't the one who raped the protagonist, I was still worried that I might have misunderstood, given that I'm not fully aware of the dialogue being exchanged, so it's again, a relief that my assumption was correct (plus, it wouldn't make much sense in some ways otherwise, but still).

Therefore, without excluding any possibilities, I had a few theories on the ending:

1.) One thought I had was that, perhaps, the run-down area where people perform their rap, and where the protagonists hang about, could be a visual representation of a gathering of rape victims. Meaning that anyone present there may have been victim of rape in the past, and therefore join together there, to find solace in each other, especially given that they're also now outcasts in society. This also makes sense because the rap that they perform there would then be symbolic of freedom and a form of venting. Venting openly about each other's trauma or other repressed feelings which can't be as easily or at all expressed in any other setting.

This would also explain why Kai "recruits" the protagonist (i'll just call him sensei/teacher) after he was raped. Not to mention that when Sensei was literally being raped, we could hear someone rapping/singing nearby (maybe symbolizing a sort of mourning/empathy from other victims). This feels accurate, especially if Kai is indeed NOT the one who raped the teacher/protagonist. Plus, how would Kai know what the rapist told Sensei (the whole "it's alright") if it wasn't a common/trademark or saying that was told to all the rape victims from the area (plus, putting the mask on the face as of the victim as well)? Also the fact that Kai's friend, who was close to the child who died, would have at the very least lashed out at him if Kai was indeed the rapist (which is why, if I understood correctly, this same friend was the one who told Sensei that Kai wasn't his rapist).

IF that's the case, that Kai wasn't Sensei's rapist, then the identities of the actual rapists don't matter, in the sense, that one, the rapists shown in the film don't represent a particular individual, necessarily, but the act of rape in general. For example, with the sensei's rapist, he was wearing a pig mask, reflecting animalistic and grotesque desires and impulses. He was also seen wearing a suit during the hallucination scene of the protagonist at the bus stop (could literally be anyone, although it definitely doesn't seem to be Kai at least, and I just rewatched the rape scene and the rapist's hands are definitely not Kai's). Whilst the other rapist, the one who had more of a killer's mask, reflects anonymity in general and the bloodlust of rapists.



2.) Now, my second theory is a lot more eery, and it breaks my heart a lot more, but it's too poignant to brush off. What if...Kai was actually the perpetrator? What i mean is that Kai himself, his conscious self, would not be the rapist/killer, but that he either has alter egos or strongly denies his involvement to the point where he seems to hallucinate about alter egos who do commit the atrocities? This is notable because of how the protagonist dies. It was really striking to me, upon my first watch, that Kai didn't wake up when Sensei was presumably taken away. Really? He didn't hear anything, he didn't sense anything? Sure, the killer might have woken up Sensei and threatened to kill the both of them if he made any noise, but even then, that sounds unrealistic.

Not to mention that Kai is an extremely vigilant person, it just seems strange that he wouldn't be alert or sense this. There's also the fact that we never ever see Kai asleep during the entirety of the film, except for in that one moment when he falls asleep next to Sensei and wakes up alone. Coincidence? I think this was deliberate, especially given we never even see Kai's bed or room or anything of the sort. And there's this strong duality between day and night in the story.

During the day time, all is well and fine, during the night is when danger is imminent and ever so present. When Kai was alone with Sensei in the daylight, and awake, Sensei was safe, but as soon as they both fell asleep, and night came, Sensei was taken away and killed. To me, this represents Kai's repressed self which he denies. And it's why it's only when he wakes up alone, when it's daytime again, that he has to face the consequence of his own actions: the protagonist's death. My theory is further solidified because of what the killer tells Kai when he finds out: for one, the "killer" (who would then be a mere reflection of Kai's repressed desires or an alter ego at this point) questions Kai on why he is making a surprised face (because it's Kai who did it, why should you be surprised at something you did yourself?). Secondly, the killer reassures Kai that he has nothing to fear because he won't kill Kai (this much japanese I understood, fuck i'm getting shivers). This is significant, because the reason why the "killer" wouldn't kill Kai when he obviously targets anyone and everyone (even children ffs), is that of course the perpetrator wouldn't take his own life. Why would Kai be an exception otherwise if it wasn't his doing?

What makes this all too on the nose, is when we hear the sirens of the police (and this part makes me feel like I can't deny my theory at all, despite myself, cause it HURTS). What happens then, is that the voice of the police can be heard, and to this, Kai panics and flees. At first, I was more shocked by the fact that he just ran past and left the body of the protagonist behind (because how could you leave the corpse of your loved one without even checking their face first, not to mention missing out on the possibility of the "real perpetrator" be captured once and for all), but this aligns with the very idea that Kai has been the killer all along. Kai flees because, otherwise, he is the one who will be captured. So he runs. Plus the fact that the supposed "killer" gets shot multiple times, without anything actually happening to Kai. To me, this simply represents Kai returning to reality, and therefore he "kills" the image of his alter ego, so that he can escape by himself.

This interpretation tortures me but there's too many clues to back it up, ah I kind of hope I'm off... what do you think? And sorry, that was really long so if anyone read this long rant, I appreciate you <3

Thank you so so much!! <3

Has anyone been able to get the raws? I still can’t find it anywhere T^T