in the webtoon ma juseok plays a big role in getting rid of the evil spirit eventually... like the inner fight…
the drama mostly ditched the webtoon. it treated the webtoon as a collection of ideas that didn’t need to be followed strictly—and it worked in some situations. for example, webtoon ju seok didn't suffocate his "mother" or consume webtoon pil kwang. webtoon counters summoned webtoon pil kwang long ago. webtoon gelly was the last to go. she held on longer than her two teammates
i do hope that the drama follows the part where webtoon so moon awakens and harnesses his inner powers. he's always been the yung territory. the drama version of him should be able to feel the flow or movement of the territory through his body
webtoon so moon is stronger than all spirits and counters combined. he can drive out a spirit from its host without summoning it. downgrading him here will do an injustice to his character
The counters finally leveled up Hana is stronger than ever, and they mentioned that she summoned the evil spirit…
i feel that ha na doesn't have power or influence over her telekinesis. when she wanted to use it, she couldn't (episode 8, 3:35). it went off at random when she (episode 9, 47:08) or someone else (episode 8, 3:48) was at risk 🤔
my gelly is gone 😭 she was one of the most charismatic female characters (more charismatic than ha na). women with pixie cut hairstyles are my ideal type. her androgynous clothes were flattering to her body shape, making her seem taller and slimmer. she rocked the short blonde hair and took care and pride in her appearance. she shouldn't have gone like that
so moon falling into a fake coma was unnecessary. so moon and ha na "hugging" was unnecessary and intentionally added to please the "shippers." i will continue watching in hopes that drama so moon and drama ha na will stay as younger brother/older sister and so moon will be a strong, undefeated webtoon-to-drama character adaptation/champion
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"... when you insult over half the world's population, you don't care at all, then moan and cry when people do not "respect you" your people are all children"
over half the world's population adhere to religions that don't respect gay people. we don't owe them or their religious beliefs respect. give respect to get respect. you don't give respect. you won't get respect
"Seems like the alphabet people spread various STDS around whole nations because of their acts, what has Buddhism ever done to you?"
stds are diseases that are passed from one infected person to another through "straight" or gay activities. protected or unprotected gay sex with a man or woman who's not infected carries a transmission risk of 0%. 0. you won't get the flu from someone who doesn't have the flu. you won't get stds from someone who doesn't have stds. gay sex won't automatically infect you
how would infected gay people pass stds around whole nations when they aren't sleeping with you or most other people? are you sleeping with infected gay people?
"They do not refer to shrine prostitute"
they do
"... you use an international version why not the Latin Vulgate?"
why not the international version? it's the most readable and accurate english translation of the bible. it conveys the intended meaning of the original greek and hebrew manuscripts
"... liberals like yourself"
i'm not a liberal or conservative. i'm politically homeless
"... i thought what people feel and believe was the most sacred thing to you people?"
someone (me) who doesn't respect religious beliefs wouldn't believe that all beliefs and feelings are sacred
"The same organization that stopped MURDER? even science does not have a clear cut definition of when a human life begins"
you said science can't answer the question of, "when does human life or personhood begin?" how can you say abortion is "murder?" when in its development does a fetus acquire claims that override the various reasons a woman might have for terminating her "pregnancy?" you don't know the answer to that
"abortion is murder" is an opinion you and your catholic church push on women. the decision isn't yours to make. it should be left to the women who will live with the consequences of abortion
Wait was there even lgbtqia+ representation? Did I miss that lol
ye seo (mi mo) and min seo (ye chun) are a couple. min seo (ye chun) kissed ye seo (mi mo)'s cheeks, held her hands, walked with her to school, came to her rescue and confessed her feelings again. the last scene was of ye seo (mi mo) wrapping her arms around min seo (ye chun), resting her head against the other's back, and smiling to herself on the bike
the students gossiping about them said the girls were caught making out. they aren't adults to make out or have sex on camera. we saw them express their love in healthy, non-adult ways
i ship ye seo (mi mo) with min seo (ye chun), and nana (mo mi) with yi (chun ae). ye seo (mi mo) and min seo (ye chun), nana (mo mi) and yi (chun ae) were in love. i saw it in their eyes, but that's just me
netflix and it's gay agendas never fails to ruin everything. kill boksoon had it's underage lesbians and now this.…
your "straight" agenda ruins 99% of dramas, movies, music videos, games, books, etc. it doesn't let boys and girls, men and women, be just friends. screw your agenda
I have little to none patience for draggy dramas with annoying characters and stupid misunderstandings
"healthy relationship?" the bar for a partner has been set so low, it's practically underground. being "nice" and "thoughtful" are the bare minimum in a relationship. don't praise men or women for communicating and doing the bare minimum. they aren't green flags. they are the lightest shade of red flags
sm entertainment said, "the two are just close and the dating rumors are not true." jyp entertainment said, "the two are close, but upon checking [with Lee Junho], the dating rumors are groundless"
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"Everyone besides yourself can see you and I debating"
noone else is reading this thread. get over yourself
"... and you just insulted 1.5 billion Catholics another billion Christians, a billion Muslims, a Billion Hindus and a billion Buddhists all in one sentence"
let me play the world's smallest violin! 🎻
"... it was outlawed because they knew how bad sodomy was for them"
religion is bad for me; therefore, all religions should be outlawed
"... concepts of homosexuality did not exist"
you're putting words in my mouth. i said people didn't identify as "straight" or "gay." they didn't have a concept of present-day sexuality. they did have a concept of gender roles
"Who was being tolerated?"
men who slept with men. their activity was tolerated. they slept with men, but didn't identify as anything
"How about the Sodomites? an ancient tribe of homosexuals. How about the Arsenokoitai?"
"There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite (qadesh, cult prostitutes) of the sons of Israel. Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God"
"arsenokoitai" is mentioned in a list of sins with no description of its meaning. it likely means "boy molesters" or relationships involving sexual assault. it was not translated to mean "homosexual" until 1946
the words didn't appear in greek texts before paul, early christians and jews used them. jews and christians coined the words, mistranslated them and doomed generations of gay people to persecution
"Tell that to the Catholic Church, the LARGEST charitable organization in the world"
the catholic church isn't a charitable organization. it's a religious institution. tax 'em
"Weird how they are like that when they are so "phobic" and "hateful" huh?"
they wouldn't donate to help gay people, non-believers or people of other religions. if they did, it's a cover-up
"... the majority of alphabet people are in non essential roles to society"
source? and art is non-essential? art is an essential ingredient to empowering the hearts of people! an artist makes music, games, comics, movies and dramas to entertain people. this is art making a difference in society
"I am ALL for not making out in public"
that's great! please teach other "straight" identifying people to do the same!
I find it very problematic, insulting and very disrespectful for Kim Young to address Lee Jun as 'Unnie' or 'Sis'…
that's what i'm saying! casual honorifics (unnie, noona, oppa, hyung) are reserved for older close friends to show respect. it's rude and inappropriate that mrs. fiancé calls jun mo (jun), a man she doesn't know well, unnie. the korean gay men that i've met don't use "unnie." they use hyung to address older gay men
"unnie, what are you doing here?" "unnie had a fight with oppa" "unnie isn't at fault"
mrs. fiancé, you and your fiancé are ethnically korean people (your american nationality and iced americano be damned). you're telling me, you didn't pick up the korean language at home naturally? you moved back to korea. didn't anyone teach you that "unnie" is an honorific title for an older sister or close older woman? you and jun mo (jun) aren't close to call him unnie. he's not a woman to call him unnie. stop it and get some help
hyeong seop (simeon): this is how you've always been. avoiding me and ignoring my calls chan hyun (hyun jae): we have a professional relationship hyeong seop (simeon): since when? chan hyun (hyun jae): always hyeong seop (simeon): i worked with you for 5+ years. we spent a lot of time together. what's this? a professional relationship? you upset me
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it's not odd. i know you can see your comments. and you can log out to see mine. i blocked so you can have fun talking to yourself
1) you replied to me. it was your debate
2) ancient societies had an incorrect concept of "gender" that wasn't different from the present-day conservative or liberal concept of "gender." is it a submissive homemaker? it's a woman. is it a dominant breadwinner? it's a man. that was their concept. man-made distinctions concerning sexuality began to appear after the rise of christianity. there weren't any words in ancient languages that translated to the present-day "gay" or "straight." in the 1860s, hungarian journalist karl maria kertbeny coined two words for the first time: "homosexual" and "heterosexual." people started to identify as them later on
3) i'm not that "politically correct"
4) we were talking about hundreds to thousands of years ago. gay men did have fake "wives"
5) as i said, rich people prioritize their self-interests above the interests of other people. their drive to accumulate wealth is inconsistent with the idea of communal help/support. they wouldn't spend their money on us
6) i'm a translator. other gay people are teachers, painters, writers, police officers, doctors, athletes, construction workers, etc. one of my gay male friends is a doctor, another is a construction worker. you're under a rock. there's no way most gay people got a job at buzzfeed. they might write articles as a second career
you said that gay people were accepted. that they faced no discrimination. i said that gay people were tolerated. that they faced discrimination. big difference
you proved nothing and i disproved everything. leave your "straight" lifestyle in the bedroom, and i will take you seriously. no more "straight" media. no more hand-holding or making out in public, okay? okay!
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1) "finish your argument that YOU started?" i didn't start anything. you responded to a comment that i wrote to someone else and started it
2) ancient societies didn't conceive of sexual orientation as a social identity as present-day societies do. it wasn't possible for gay people to "have equal rights." older men served as mentors to younger men in exchange for sexual favors. or temporarily disengaged from the women they were told to "marry" to engage with other men. age and status determined the roles of men in sexual encounters. the younger men were the "bottom." women were (and are) categorized as inferior/second class citizens. and to not lower themselves to the inferior status of women, to not act like women, the men didn't "go all the way." refusing to conform to prevailing misogynistic "gender" roles meant being stripped of their manhood and incorrectly categorized as neither man nor woman (third gender). they were limited
3) rich people are less sympathetic to poverty or discrimination. it's not a gay thing. it's a rich thing
4) you can't assume the sexuality of the scientists, painters, writers, etc, of ancient societies. they didn't identify as "straight" or "gay"
5) paying mainland china to "make an island" would have been unwise. don't you know how mainland china treats gay people? it would flex its military muscles and invade our island to erase us
6) who's leeching off? most of us aren't rich. we are ordinary people working ordinary jobs. we give what we take
tl;dr were ancient societies more tolerant of gay relationships? yes! they have some of my respect. were they a gay paradise? no! they were still homophobic
i do hope that the drama follows the part where webtoon so moon awakens and harnesses his inner powers. he's always been the yung territory. the drama version of him should be able to feel the flow or movement of the territory through his body
webtoon so moon is stronger than all spirits and counters combined. he can drive out a spirit from its host without summoning it. downgrading him here will do an injustice to his character
"SoMun and HaNa should always stay like siblings, pleaseee...."
yesss, please don't ruin their sibling dynamic 😩
so moon falling into a fake coma was unnecessary. so moon and ha na "hugging" was unnecessary and intentionally added to please the "shippers." i will continue watching in hopes that drama so moon and drama ha na will stay as younger brother/older sister and so moon will be a strong, undefeated webtoon-to-drama character adaptation/champion
over half the world's population adhere to religions that don't respect gay people. we don't owe them or their religious beliefs respect. give respect to get respect. you don't give respect. you won't get respect
"Seems like the alphabet people spread various STDS around whole nations because of their acts, what has Buddhism ever done to you?"
stds are diseases that are passed from one infected person to another through "straight" or gay activities. protected or unprotected gay sex with a man or woman who's not infected carries a transmission risk of 0%. 0. you won't get the flu from someone who doesn't have the flu. you won't get stds from someone who doesn't have stds. gay sex won't automatically infect you
how would infected gay people pass stds around whole nations when they aren't sleeping with you or most other people? are you sleeping with infected gay people?
"They do not refer to shrine prostitute"
they do
"... you use an international version why not the Latin Vulgate?"
why not the international version? it's the most readable and accurate english translation of the bible. it conveys the intended meaning of the original greek and hebrew manuscripts
"... liberals like yourself"
i'm not a liberal or conservative. i'm politically homeless
"... i thought what people feel and believe was the most sacred thing to you people?"
someone (me) who doesn't respect religious beliefs wouldn't believe that all beliefs and feelings are sacred
"The same organization that stopped MURDER? even science does not have a clear cut definition of when a human life begins"
you said science can't answer the question of, "when does human life or personhood begin?" how can you say abortion is "murder?" when in its development does a fetus acquire claims that override the various reasons a woman might have for terminating her "pregnancy?" you don't know the answer to that
"abortion is murder" is an opinion you and your catholic church push on women. the decision isn't yours to make. it should be left to the women who will live with the consequences of abortion
the students gossiping about them said the girls were caught making out. they aren't adults to make out or have sex on camera. we saw them express their love in healthy, non-adult ways
i ship ye seo (mi mo) with min seo (ye chun), and nana (mo mi) with yi (chun ae). ye seo (mi mo) and min seo (ye chun), nana (mo mi) and yi (chun ae) were in love. i saw it in their eyes, but that's just me
sm entertainment said, "the two are just close and the dating rumors are not true." jyp entertainment said, "the two are close, but upon checking [with Lee Junho], the dating rumors are groundless"
noone else is reading this thread. get over yourself
"... and you just insulted 1.5 billion Catholics another billion Christians, a billion Muslims, a Billion Hindus and a billion Buddhists all in one sentence"
let me play the world's smallest violin! 🎻
"... it was outlawed because they knew how bad sodomy was for them"
religion is bad for me; therefore, all religions should be outlawed
"... concepts of homosexuality did not exist"
you're putting words in my mouth. i said people didn't identify as "straight" or "gay." they didn't have a concept of present-day sexuality. they did have a concept of gender roles
"Who was being tolerated?"
men who slept with men. their activity was tolerated. they slept with men, but didn't identify as anything
"How about the Sodomites? an ancient tribe of homosexuals. How about the Arsenokoitai?"
"homosexual" is a poor translation of "sodomite" or "arsenokoitai." the verses in the bible mentioning "sodomites" refer to shrine prostitutes: https://www.internationalstandardbible.com/S/sodomite.html
for example, deuteronomy 23:17-18:
"There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite (qadesh, cult prostitutes) of the sons of Israel. Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God"
"arsenokoitai" is mentioned in a list of sins with no description of its meaning. it likely means "boy molesters" or relationships involving sexual assault. it was not translated to mean "homosexual" until 1946
the words didn't appear in greek texts before paul, early christians and jews used them. jews and christians coined the words, mistranslated them and doomed generations of gay people to persecution
"Tell that to the Catholic Church, the LARGEST charitable organization in the world"
the same organization that donated over $3 million to limit abortion access, bankrolling a nationwide assault on women’s rights?: https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/08/05/catholics-kansas-abortion-vote/
the same organization that received $1.4 billion in federal funds courtesy of the paycheck protection program, citing the sexual assault lawsuits and settlements it had to pay for since 2002 as the reason it needed the money?: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-lobbying-catholic-church-won-1-4-billion-in-coronavirus-aid
or the same organization that lobbied against suicide hotline, because it included support for gay people?: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/03/catholic-church-opposed-suicide-hotline-included-support-lgbtq-people/
the catholic church isn't a charitable organization. it's a religious institution. tax 'em
"Weird how they are like that when they are so "phobic" and "hateful" huh?"
they wouldn't donate to help gay people, non-believers or people of other religions. if they did, it's a cover-up
"... the majority of alphabet people are in non essential roles to society"
source? and art is non-essential? art is an essential ingredient to empowering the hearts of people! an artist makes music, games, comics, movies and dramas to entertain people. this is art making a difference in society
"I am ALL for not making out in public"
that's great! please teach other "straight" identifying people to do the same!
"unnie had a fight with oppa"
"unnie isn't at fault"
mrs. fiancé, you and your fiancé are ethnically korean people (your american nationality and iced americano be damned). you're telling me, you didn't pick up the korean language at home naturally? you moved back to korea. didn't anyone teach you that "unnie" is an honorific title for an older sister or close older woman? you and jun mo (jun) aren't close to call him unnie. he's not a woman to call him unnie. stop it and get some help
hyeong seop (simeon): this is how you've always been. avoiding me and ignoring my calls
chan hyun (hyun jae): we have a professional relationship
hyeong seop (simeon): since when?
chan hyun (hyun jae): always
hyeong seop (simeon): i worked with you for 5+ years. we spent a lot of time together. what's this? a professional relationship? you upset me
get married already!
1) you replied to me. it was your debate
2) ancient societies had an incorrect concept of "gender" that wasn't different from the present-day conservative or liberal concept of "gender." is it a submissive homemaker? it's a woman. is it a dominant breadwinner? it's a man. that was their concept. man-made distinctions concerning sexuality began to appear after the rise of christianity. there weren't any words in ancient languages that translated to the present-day "gay" or "straight." in the 1860s, hungarian journalist karl maria kertbeny coined two words for the first time: "homosexual" and "heterosexual." people started to identify as them later on
3) i'm not that "politically correct"
4) we were talking about hundreds to thousands of years ago. gay men did have fake "wives"
5) as i said, rich people prioritize their self-interests above the interests of other people. their drive to accumulate wealth is inconsistent with the idea of communal help/support. they wouldn't spend their money on us
6) i'm a translator. other gay people are teachers, painters, writers, police officers, doctors, athletes, construction workers, etc. one of my gay male friends is a doctor, another is a construction worker. you're under a rock. there's no way most gay people got a job at buzzfeed. they might write articles as a second career
you said that gay people were accepted. that they faced no discrimination. i said that gay people were tolerated. that they faced discrimination. big difference
you proved nothing and i disproved everything. leave your "straight" lifestyle in the bedroom, and i will take you seriously. no more "straight" media. no more hand-holding or making out in public, okay? okay!
2) ancient societies didn't conceive of sexual orientation as a social identity as present-day societies do. it wasn't possible for gay people to "have equal rights." older men served as mentors to younger men in exchange for sexual favors. or temporarily disengaged from the women they were told to "marry" to engage with other men. age and status determined the roles of men in sexual encounters. the younger men were the "bottom." women were (and are) categorized as inferior/second class citizens. and to not lower themselves to the inferior status of women, to not act like women, the men didn't "go all the way." refusing to conform to prevailing misogynistic "gender" roles meant being stripped of their manhood and incorrectly categorized as neither man nor woman (third gender). they were limited
3) rich people are less sympathetic to poverty or discrimination. it's not a gay thing. it's a rich thing
4) you can't assume the sexuality of the scientists, painters, writers, etc, of ancient societies. they didn't identify as "straight" or "gay"
5) paying mainland china to "make an island" would have been unwise. don't you know how mainland china treats gay people? it would flex its military muscles and invade our island to erase us
6) who's leeching off? most of us aren't rich. we are ordinary people working ordinary jobs. we give what we take
tl;dr were ancient societies more tolerant of gay relationships? yes! they have some of my respect. were they a gay paradise? no! they were still homophobic
there. happy? please go away. i’m introverting