AthenaTheStorierX

Syn and Nuer give me life.

The show as shown in the very first pilot/hype trailer and music videos would have been very different than the current product in terms of tone and focus. It's interesting how often that is the case.

Nunew is doing a great job. Most of the scenes that feel rough around the edges is when the character is putting on an act - so it's probably intentional. I look forward to seeing more of him moving forward. Especially if he has a character close to his "kirin-sona." And I just know his music is going to take-off - even his non-Cutie Pie related cover videos are quite popular last I checked.

I had made a feeds post about it last night after several hours of seeing the problem. It was affecting many dramas across many (if not all) of the MDL users. Straight and BL. Popular and lesser-known. Old and new. So, yea - i'm going with it was just a glitch.

I definitely agree with alot of the points on this thread.
You can like things while also acknowledging their flaws.
These pages are for discussion - positive and negative.

However, I have been attacked on pages (not this one so far, though) for my opinions - positive and negative. If someone likes something, you shouldn't be commenting on their thread about how their opinion has no merit/basis, makes them a blind fangirl, etc. etc.
And the same goes for criticizing comments. If you can't keep a respectful tone and legitimately discuss instead of attack, you shouldn't be commenting on threads with a different opinion than yours.

But.. But.. Our babies in this show are divorce lawyers?!?
So I'm thinking 3 things:
1.) They aren't the same characters from Be Loved In House (which seems likely, because Wayne Song doesn't tend to be the same character in his non-HIStory cameos) and pursuing divorce
2.) If they are the same characters, then they might change their minds about divorce while they are pursuing it.
3.) Or maybe their firm also does other domestic stuff - like pre-nups?

For sure. And translating P'/Nong as brother or sister winds up with a whole bunch of people calling incest.

For real! She knocked it out of the park this episode! So much emotion AND it all still felt in character for Yu He. *Chef's kiss*
Same with Erik Lin. Like I didn't see any tears on his face, but the way his voice would crack, he would sniffle, and pause. Very powerful.

Yea, I knew who Amber was going to be from the beginning - the question was just HOW. And I'm so glad they went the route they did. ^-^

The way he reacted felt more than just surprised, especially when Le Chien left the room. It definitely seemed like he felt insecure in regards to something about his appearance - whether that be scars or just general build.

He hasn't interacted with anyone as female for like 10 years. Nor was he ever in a near nudity situation (or at least one that would've elicited that much of a response) way back then at age 8. So it's not like that reaction is habitual. Unless he's insecure about his build or scars - which a lot of intersex and trans content creators i follow and interact with speak on this quite a bit.

But I really don't see many ways that a scar or other features would be brought up organically. So I think the bathroom scene was just to place that question in viewers minds (and eventual doubt/clues in Le Chien's). I highly doubt we're going to see anything.

I still don't see where you think we seen a good chunk of his torso. We saw just below the shoulders from the front. We saw from the side, with his arm partially in the way. And then we saw from the top. So there really is a lot that could be there.

But no matter what, I don't see this series showing anything. It's really soft, so I think any partial nudity or anything that would lead to it would likely feel gratuitous. I can't see any scene feeling organic with the tone of the series and how few episodes we have left.

Hey! I say easy peasy.... :P

About "Kathoey" - EXACTLY. That's what I'm saying. The way Thailand divides up gender is different than us, so when Thai gets translated, something inevitably always gets lost or misinterpreted. Like I know people were super confused with the trailer of Drag I Love You because they kept switching between terms in the captions like they were synonyms - despite not being synonyms in English. And earlier series would just use "lady boys" because that's the slightly more direct translation, but that's considered inappropriate and insulting in English. But removing such conversations prevents really important stories and discussions from happening about lived experiences and stereotypes in Thailand. So I personally think that it's one of those terms that shouldn't be translated. Either it can be described in translator notes for the first few mentions, or people can do research and learn about it on their own.

I mean we do that with kabedon, sensei, kawaii, etc.

But yea, as far as in person conversations with strangers, I don't really like to bring gender into it. And it's unnecessary as well for the vast majority of interactions.

Its possible. He was older at the time, so he would have a clearer memory.

But personally i just think he knows that the boys like each other.

Same. I try not to get hung up on phrasing when watching international shows. Different languages have different amounts of differentiation for everything. And if you don't know where those differences might exist, you're not gonna be able to find the best translation/adaptation for them.

For instance, Thailand often translates "Kathoey" into "Lady Boys" which sounds very insulting in English. But the thing is, Kathoey covers so so many different identities that any one English term would not do the identity justice.

And from what I gathered from a few kdramas (like Kiss Goblin), the way korea sorts, differentiates, and labels emotions seems quite different from how we would in English. And that's something that if I was translating from English to Korean, I wouldn't have known to even think about it.

I KNOW! I feel for Amber so much. Ah Le needs to hurry up and give our boy some love. He deserves the world.

As for the physical body, depending on when he was finally able to get approved and into more intensive treatment (which can take a REALLY long time - especially if he had to go through gender therapy first, which is likely; plus many places won't put you on hormone treatments until you reach a certain age/stage of growth) - he may have had to have breast reduction surgery. The camera angles on the bathroom scene certainly seem to suggest so as well. Alternatively, he may still have small breasts that had started developing before he got on hormone treatment (this seems less likely for the purposes of this show, but it's definitely something that happens in real-life).

But even without breast reduction surgery, the shape of his body/torso would likely still be quite feminine. Causing quite a bit of insecurity and dysmorphia.
And that form of plastic surgery is less likely to be covered by healthcare. So it'd be less likely that he would've had it done.




*Of course, this is not my lived experience - I am only relaying information as I understand it from individual research and intersex content creators I have watched. If anyone who has more relevant experience has something to add or correct to my statement - I would be more than happy to hear from them.

I feel like most asian countries tend to use the same word for disease, illness, and condition. So in english, you would say that he's got one of the intersex syndromes or conditions - but that distinction doesn't exist in the native language. And if you aren't used to there being a distinction, you wouldn't know to look for the distinction in the language you are translating to. So i think it's just a translation error. But for sure, illness and disease implies a curability, and maybe even contagiousness. So the wording can be really important in English.

Oh, and DNA Says Love You (currently airing) is also a friends to lovers

It labeled my list as a spoiler so the length doesn't interfere with others' scrolling. ^-^

Where Your Eyes Linger - Similar character types. Similar tension.

In Between - The pinoy one. Quite similar tone wise.

HIStory 4: Close to You - another Taiwanese one. But 2nd couple is VERY divisive. You may decide to skip their parts and just stay with the friends-to-lovers main couple. They're really notable as far as BL friends-to-lovers couples go.

Calculating Love - short and simple, indie-production. On Youtube.

Enchante: A little more lighthearted but also more complex.

Dont Say No - It's a branch-off to TharnType 2. But you don't have to watch that show if you watch the prequel special episode recap. But even if you do watch TharnType2, still watch the recap bc it has added scenes. I have the official link in this discussion thread: https://kisskh.at/discussions/dont-say-no/71687-mame-verse-chronological-order



Popular notable mentions:
- Together With Me: It's basically a soap opera. And each installment to this franchise has plot holes bc of different writers. But it was one of the first ones. And the 2 main actors have a lot chemistry.

- Second Chance: Quite middle-of-the-road for me. Nothing notably positive or negative. But eh, it's there. And there are definitely fans of it. So it might be worth a shot.

- Tonhon Chonlatee: The ending was rushed. And I didn't like the love interest. But there are a lot of good things about this series.

Personally, I don't think MODC is a good title to compare it to. This is significantly slower in pace and more subtle than MODC. The tropes and character types are also really different.