My biggest issue with YC is that he's making forever promises and plans that his real priorities won't let him keep... otherwise he could have been blameless in this.
Meanwhile, LF is just all issues. I'm not even sure what's redeemable about him. He's become a walking nightmare.
The way so many people are trying to justify the fact that Xiao Chen left Lu Feng and made him lose himself as…
An explanation isn't a justification....connecting dots about what's happening and why doesnt make it right or "just." SA and kidnapping YC aren't justifiable because of a heartbreak revenge trope.
The YC did nothing wrong bit i have to disagree with though. LF made sacrifices that YC bought into based on forever promises... saying YC didn't make LF cut off his family dismisses the discoussion and commitment to eachother that happened at the table when it was brought up. It was their deepest conversation. YC could have also easily said, that's not something he wants LF to do because he didn't want the emotional burden of a decision like that. Switching up from "you & me against the world" energy like that...
Regardless, still no justification, just explanations. YC being wrong for something doesn't make LF less wrong for many things. I agree with everything else about LF's selfishness - a real SOB with that forced outing to mom etc. then a demon 5 years after.
There are no innocents in this story, just like that doesn't exist in real life. Everyone's making choices based on their own priorities / self interest, and there's consequences to them that impact others. It's a sad watch.
He surpassed the level of toxicity of fan xiao for me. Atleast fan xiao never hurted his closed ones or raped…
That wanting to destroy him felt very much unprovoked to me...YS was legit minding his own business and here comes a demon setting fire to his personal life and his career...
LF is extremely wrong in more ways than we can write about, the difference is he was provoked by an epic ghosting from YC...there's a revenge motive that just doesn't exist for FX for why he even started all that BS. It still boggles my mind too much... I'll never understand the "he's too good i want to taint him" story, whereas i understand but DON'T CONDONE LF's revenge story. (Edited to make it clear that I'm not justifying the revenge trope)
You make a fair point about willingness to let go... but that could also be because FX acknowledged he built a whole relationship on lies, whereas LF is holding on to promises made in the height of their real connection.
Honestly they're both so twisted... i can only tolerate in fiction.
Now that I've vented all that, I'm realizing it's quite possible the extent of LF's psychosis wasn't fathomable to YC... so he didn't know enough to skip the apology attempt... There's a lot that he wouldn't have had the viewer's front row seat to.
Oh well. It's all been deliciously messy. Looking forward to wrapping it up next week.
Everything was intense in the hospital so i give a lot of grace for his reactions then... 5 years though? And you think you'll apologize and then what?
Knowing the sacrifices LF made that he didn't discourage and wouldn't match? LF took the promises so literally... Yichen surprised me because he hesitated with making promises during college years when the ring was first given, already imagined a future breakup, but then actually tries to fight for the relationship despite being locked up. Fast forward to reconciliation as working adults, he's more eager to make forever promises, yet won't give himself a second to think and process before making drastic decisions like a beard marriage.
Now even more years pass and you want to apologize for marrying someone else out of the blue? Lol. Shut up please. That kind of audacity in front of a psychotic is def a red flag at a bull.
I saw a comment calling Lu Feng a green flag and literally burst out.... stop playing! The flag is beyond red. He's competing with Fan Xiao (to my shore) for most toxic & obsessive love interest (only reason he hasn't won is Lu Feng's motive at least started from a rational place).
We're still sat because it's the perfect recipe for a guilty pleasure watch - FICTIONAL "all-consuming, at the very edge of sanity and ready to fall off the cliff of reason," passion (hesitate to call it "love") where there's feelings on both sides...
We don't have to paint it with rainbows and unicorns to be entertained by their story...
ššš what was that?? The premise of Private Lessons makes more sense to me than this didā¦ and it doesnāt have enough story to even make it comparable to Callboy or Gigloā¦ itās a league of its own. Fewer positions and more backstory would have helped.
I'm upset at every post i saw about this on twitter that made it seem like there may be a BL undertone to soften the edges of the serious story.... now I'm here, nothing is soft, but i have to keep going because the story has reeled me in. Ughhhhh š«
So I watched (and loved) this with my mom, it was a great bonding experience to live this bit of escapism for…
I see both sides of a monarcy's relevance and sacrifice (exposure due to interest in Elizabeth, Diana, William, and Harry).
I agree that it's very existence reinforces classism, but to say that abolishment of an already constitutional monarchy will somehow allow for true meritocracy is too naive to me...
In the absense of the power share between the three groups, it all justs settles on the remaining two (i.e. the wealthy and the politically powerful). Eventually, the wealth tends to influence the political so really the wealthy emerge supreme. The FL is as self-made as Kylie Jenner (iykyk š« ) so even her motivations are questionable. And by the way, they too live by a set of norms and restrictions that impede true freedom (e.g. prime minister won't marry the "illegitimate child" while he's still trying to remain politically relevant), but they accept it for the privileges they get to enjoy.
So yea... i didn't agree with the rosy tint they put on abolishment, though i can understand why the heads wearing the crowns would want a break from the weight...
So I watched (and loved) this with my mom, it was a great bonding experience to live this bit of escapism for a few weeks. We both had different reactions to Grand Prince I-An's end game. As much as I enjoyed the show, realistically...
So why the fuck are you here then? Go watch Royal Nemesis and comment there instead.
š the most inane part for me is that people are being like this about their entertainment choices... Nobody lives or dies by these opinions, yet they're treated like a critical expression of some sort... I'm just fascinated by the level of passion brought to the viewership experience.
Everything cant always be so serious though, there's enough going on in real life to cause strain, entertainment doesn't have to as well.
Exactly my point! Why IU and BWS are apologizing everywhere!! I mean it is the production teamās fault, not…
??... you called the actors "the face of the mess," and i asked if you would accept being called the face of a mess that's not your responsibility... Not sure why you think i'm blaming you for anything. In western countries, litigation runs rampant so PR companies and possibly even lawyers would have been engaged to ensure the actor isn't held responsible (even when something is actually their doing), so i don't agree that it's the same in western countries at all.
10/10 casting, 9/10 production, 7/10 plot idea, 0/10 writing and story executionā¦So much didnāt make sense,…
Interesting takesā¦ itās clearly not for everyone.
Agree that FL isnāt likeable, thatās her whole deal though, aggressive and abrasive. It was a nice change of pace tbh, lord knows not every woman on the planet is likeable.
King clearly didnāt like his life and maybe saw enough of himself in his son to not want that burden for him either, I saw it as more of a protection than a dismissal of his son.
Regent was able to get nephew to abdicate because lil boy wanted no parts, and also knows his dad wanted to give it to his uncle anyways, but his mom committed a crime to make him king. He was willing. Regents have killed and usurped thrones regardless of āfail safesā because once theyāre in power, whoās going to check them?
He didnāt just decide to abolish, he canāt do that on his own just by declaring. He can only open discourse and then influence getting the desired result, which he did by demanding public referendum. If he could just do it with an edict, it wouldnāt have been a discussion topic with royals and cabinet.
You can like someone but not see them as the ideal marriage candidateā¦ she seemed really power hungry initially, so makes sense that heād hesitate, heās already dealing with his SIL. When it became clear that her goals wouldnāt impede his, the game changedā¦they could be partners.
What actually disappointed me was the righteous rationale they used for abolishing the monarchy - realistically, power moves back to the wealthy when thereās nobody considered āhigherā than them. Itās not like overnight a meritorious society will appearā¦ so I rolled my eyes at all that. Just say you want freedom and the girl thatās leaving a crown for succession gamesā¦.the equality hero angle was silly.
Exactly my point! Why IU and BWS are apologizing everywhere!! I mean it is the production teamās fault, not…
I ask because you are highly expressive on this topic in this comment section, so it stands to reason you are open to engagement - would you easily accept being called the face of a mess that is not your responsibility at work? Western countries have labor laws to prevent such, but perhaps this is a cultural and legal norm in Korea?
Loved it for exactly what it was (granted, my expectations clearly werenāt as high as others given the 12 episode run time).
Personally not understanding the magnitude of this controversy (I mean, itās billed as a romcom, not a historical biopic), or why the actors are on an apology tour, but Iāll assume cultural differences leading to different expectations from entertainment and entertainers.
Side note, how will South Korea ever get a handle on their suicide rate if the public hazing continues to be acceptable and even amplified? Guess this is an example of the downside to no wars, famine, or obvious imbeciles leading the peopleā¦ time and effort is redirected towards breaking peopleās psyche till they question living. I hate that treating people how you would want to be treated just completely disappears online and netizens become demons to unleash their internal misery on others. Sickening stuff. š
My biggest issue with YC is that he's making forever promises and plans that his real priorities won't let him keep... otherwise he could have been blameless in this.
Meanwhile, LF is just all issues. I'm not even sure what's redeemable about him. He's become a walking nightmare.
SA and kidnapping YC aren't justifiable because of a heartbreak revenge trope.
The YC did nothing wrong bit i have to disagree with though. LF made sacrifices that YC bought into based on forever promises... saying YC didn't make LF cut off his family dismisses the discoussion and commitment to eachother that happened at the table when it was brought up. It was their deepest conversation. YC could have also easily said, that's not something he wants LF to do because he didn't want the emotional burden of a decision like that. Switching up from "you & me against the world" energy like that...
Regardless, still no justification, just explanations. YC being wrong for something doesn't make LF less wrong for many things. I agree with everything else about LF's selfishness - a real SOB with that forced outing to mom etc. then a demon 5 years after.
There are no innocents in this story, just like that doesn't exist in real life. Everyone's making choices based on their own priorities / self interest, and there's consequences to them that impact others.
It's a sad watch.
LF is extremely wrong in more ways than we can write about, the difference is he was provoked by an epic ghosting from YC...there's a revenge motive that just doesn't exist for FX for why he even started all that BS. It still boggles my mind too much... I'll never understand the "he's too good i want to taint him" story, whereas i understand but DON'T CONDONE LF's revenge story. (Edited to make it clear that I'm not justifying the revenge trope)
You make a fair point about willingness to let go... but that could also be because FX acknowledged he built a whole relationship on lies, whereas LF is holding on to promises made in the height of their real connection.
Honestly they're both so twisted... i can only tolerate in fiction.
There's a lot that he wouldn't have had the viewer's front row seat to.
Oh well. It's all been deliciously messy. Looking forward to wrapping it up next week.
Lu Feng's š“ is obvious, bro is a lost cause, it's the "gentle" Yichen's š© that's more frustrating... his martyr syndrome is actually selfish when he isn't the only one living with the consequences of his choice - he doesn't want to be the bad guy to his family anymore, but he's ok being that to Lu Feng - he's picking what pain he's most comfortable living with and breaking Lu Feng's heart is the sacrifice he was willing to make.
Everything was intense in the hospital so i give a lot of grace for his reactions then... 5 years though? And you think you'll apologize and then what?
Knowing the sacrifices LF made that he didn't discourage and wouldn't match? LF took the promises so literally... Yichen surprised me because he hesitated with making promises during college years when the ring was first given, already imagined a future breakup, but then actually tries to fight for the relationship despite being locked up. Fast forward to reconciliation as working adults, he's more eager to make forever promises, yet won't give himself a second to think and process before making drastic decisions like a beard marriage.
Now even more years pass and you want to apologize for marrying someone else out of the blue? Lol. Shut up please. That kind of audacity in front of a psychotic is def a red flag at a bull.
The flag is beyond red. He's competing with Fan Xiao (to my shore) for most toxic & obsessive love interest (only reason he hasn't won is Lu Feng's motive at least started from a rational place).
We're still sat because it's the perfect recipe for a guilty pleasure watch - FICTIONAL "all-consuming, at the very edge of sanity and ready to fall off the cliff of reason," passion (hesitate to call it "love") where there's feelings on both sides...
We don't have to paint it with rainbows and unicorns to be entertained by their story...
The premise of Private Lessons makes more sense to me than this didā¦ and it doesnāt have enough story to even make it comparable to Callboy or Gigloā¦ itās a league of its own.
Fewer positions and more backstory would have helped.
I think this would have been better as a short drama/vertical series, so viewer expectations would be moderate.
I agree that it's very existence reinforces classism, but to say that abolishment of an already constitutional monarchy will somehow allow for true meritocracy is too naive to me...
In the absense of the power share between the three groups, it all justs settles on the remaining two (i.e. the wealthy and the politically powerful). Eventually, the wealth tends to influence the political so really the wealthy emerge supreme.
The FL is as self-made as Kylie Jenner (iykyk š« ) so even her motivations are questionable. And by the way, they too live by a set of norms and restrictions that impede true freedom (e.g. prime minister won't marry the "illegitimate child" while he's still trying to remain politically relevant), but they accept it for the privileges they get to enjoy.
So yea... i didn't agree with the rosy tint they put on abolishment, though i can understand why the heads wearing the crowns would want a break from the weight...
We both had different reactions to Grand Prince I-An's end game.
As much as I enjoyed the show, realistically...
Nobody lives or dies by these opinions, yet they're treated like a critical expression of some sort... I'm just fascinated by the level of passion brought to the viewership experience.
Everything cant always be so serious though, there's enough going on in real life to cause strain, entertainment doesn't have to as well.
Whyyyyy is this show so polarizing??
Not sure why you think i'm blaming you for anything.
In western countries, litigation runs rampant so PR companies and possibly even lawyers would have been engaged to ensure the actor isn't held responsible (even when something is actually their doing), so i don't agree that it's the same in western countries at all.
Agree that FL isnāt likeable, thatās her whole deal though, aggressive and abrasive. It was a nice change of pace tbh, lord knows not every woman on the planet is likeable.
King clearly didnāt like his life and maybe saw enough of himself in his son to not want that burden for him either, I saw it as more of a protection than a dismissal of his son.
Regent was able to get nephew to abdicate because lil boy wanted no parts, and also knows his dad wanted to give it to his uncle anyways, but his mom committed a crime to make him king. He was willing. Regents have killed and usurped thrones regardless of āfail safesā because once theyāre in power, whoās going to check them?
He didnāt just decide to abolish, he canāt do that on his own just by declaring. He can only open discourse and then influence getting the desired result, which he did by demanding public referendum. If he could just do it with an edict, it wouldnāt have been a discussion topic with royals and cabinet.
You can like someone but not see them as the ideal marriage candidateā¦ she seemed really power hungry initially, so makes sense that heād hesitate, heās already dealing with his SIL. When it became clear that her goals wouldnāt impede his, the game changedā¦they could be partners.
What actually disappointed me was the righteous rationale they used for abolishing the monarchy - realistically, power moves back to the wealthy when thereās nobody considered āhigherā than them. Itās not like overnight a meritorious society will appearā¦ so I rolled my eyes at all that. Just say you want freedom and the girl thatās leaving a crown for succession gamesā¦.the equality hero angle was silly.
He and the prime minister do magnificent things to a suit and tux
Western countries have labor laws to prevent such, but perhaps this is a cultural and legal norm in Korea?
Personally not understanding the magnitude of this controversy (I mean, itās billed as a romcom, not a historical biopic), or why the actors are on an apology tour, but Iāll assume cultural differences leading to different expectations from entertainment and entertainers.
Side note, how will South Korea ever get a handle on their suicide rate if the public hazing continues to be acceptable and even amplified? Guess this is an example of the downside to no wars, famine, or obvious imbeciles leading the peopleā¦ time and effort is redirected towards breaking peopleās psyche till they question living. I hate that treating people how you would want to be treated just completely disappears online and netizens become demons to unleash their internal misery on others. Sickening stuff. š