For me in the beginning it was boring, but I continue bcs nothing else I can watch after TTEOTM. After eps 14up…
I thought it was just me thinking this - "Acting, honestly only Yang Zi really good here. DW is just flat, nothing special AT ALL. TJC not bad, not great either. The ML, okay, nothing to rave."
But I personally feel Cang Xuan's reveal of his cruel side at the toss of a coin, was conveyed well by his actor. It's subtle and I actually have to read into his character to see when he's being genuine or not.
Still, I don't know why I'm not connecting to these male leads? Is it because their script lines or actions, or is it the characters themselves?
But clearly it's very popular and a lot of people are raving about Xiang Liu too, so I still haven't gotten that "it" factor from XL yet? :(
I think I still haven't recovered from XL's *extremely* abusive phase (towards Xiao Yao) but just because he threw a charming glance her way or performed some dramatically flirtatious action, now Xiao Yao somehow finds herself seeing him in a romantic view? I don't get it?
I mean I *want* to feel emotionally invested in at least *one* of the male leads!
If you have time, do you mind telling me the parts of the drama that you like so far? I know you said you like watching the carefree Xiao Yao. :)
People keep calling Jing weak but each character has their own flaws and being kind is his weakness. If he was…
"She even tried to kiss Jing while thinking about XL" Wait, I'm confused, didn't she say "earlier a man wanted to force her to kiss him, but now all she wants to do is kiss [Jing] instead"?
So didn't she willingly want to kiss Jing because she was attracted to him? But Jing stopped the kiss because he thought she didn't kiss him out of true love but instead a moment of pity? (Because he looked so endearingly pitiful so she felt attracted to him instead of actually loving him?)
Did I miss something that insinuated she was thinking about XL during her kiss with Jing? I was under the impression she had good control of her heart and knew how to guard it well?
Who else here is watching Lost You Forever? I think it could be the best historical drama this year, the story…
By the way, I saw your comment on finding jobs where you can work from home. What background/field are you in or looking for? I don't know if I can help.
Who else here is watching Lost You Forever? I think it could be the best historical drama this year, the story…
I don't know why I can't emotionally connect with the story (except crying at the beginning of the story when the main leads were children), no matter how hard I've tried.
Like I forced myself to watch up to ep28, but I'm still not moved yet *sigh*.
Actually I feel like I'm reading the type of shoujo manga I would have fallen in love with, when I was 13/14. Maybe because I'm already very familiar with the type of female/male main leads shown here that I could foresee what they were going to do next in each scene and where the story was going and how it was going to end, so I wasn't surprised anymore?
The set, clothes, and props are *very* beautiful though :) Happy drama watching for Lost you forever! :D
Actually please tell me your thoughts! Like how did this drama move you? What scenes? Why do you think it's deep? Anything you feel like complimenting this drama on :)
I appreciate your thoughtful input and attempt at explanation. I'm not sure I understand 100% of it clearly, but…
Thanks for taking the time to type out so much and I really liked reading your thoughts! I agree I think I should adjust some of my views on the perceived reputation of Muslims and Middle eastern countries in a Western country. It was a bit of a stretch when I suggested the example of "Chinaman".
I understand dynamics of discrimination changes depending on what country or local area you're in and vehemently believe it's not okay when "some people say that a person of colour can't be racist against white people". (Just about that, while that's true, the real life consequences are so much more significant and I've seen it happen around me all the time, even in 2023. So it becomes hard to just laugh it off.)
Actually when I was typing the initial comment, I didn't want to be simply dismissive or antagonistic towards so many concerns below as simply a personal flaw of not being open-minded enough, or of extreme nationalistic sentiment.
I was trying to come to an understanding as to why other commentators below who identify with those backgrounds were genuinely very sensitive and felt hurt about the portrayal of the Arab prince.
But it seems more likely now my understanding was completely wrong!
I think a commentator below put it more accurately, that team behind the drama should have done some more research before portraying an Arab character.
Guys why is everyone ignoring the elephant in the room? CONTEXT MATTERS.
What has happened here is equivalent to the yellow-faced caricature of a "Chinaman" in the Breakfast at Tiffany's movie. Everyone knows how disgusting that was right?
It happened at a time when Asian people were looked down upon and not seen as equals. To the intended audience (primarily white), it was nothing more than a funny gimmick, nothing too serious, in fact who cares about the Asian man?
It's a sign of the times, where social progress and the critical conversations that drive it, has yet to occur in South Korea to a sufficient level.
Most of the time, people who perpetuate discriminatory actions against others, don't even intend to be discriminatory. It's caused by a lack of self-reflection without examining your inner bias against a set group of people.
Let's be honest here,
- if you are not of Middle eastern background, or don't have an appearance that suggest Muslim belief
- and you were raised up in or have been living for a long time in a developed part of the world (such Australia, US, France, Germany),
- even if the suburb you reside in is heavily multicultural,
it's still not hard to pick up underlying passive social cues that Middle Eastern and associated muslim culture is looked down upon, whether it's in the workplace, school, or anywhere else.
-Lack of *actual* engagement in mainstream media with middle eastern culture, compounded by negative media coverage (e.g. middle eastern gangs, corruption), perceived socioeconomic factors, some infamous backwards values associated with the culture, etc.
It doesn't matter how rich or powerful the Middle Eastern elite are known to be, e.g. in this case an Arab prince.
All these come together to portray a relatively negative image of Arabs and other associated Middle Eastern culture.
OF COURSE THIS IS WRONG and I personally don't believe in this.
However just read up on articles by immigrants discussing what it's like to be of Middle Eastern background in the west, even in this day and age, and there is still so much that needs to change.
It is very easy to understand how these circulating ideas inevitably lead to racist events occurring, which lead to low self-esteem and self-doubt as a middle eastern or muslim appearing citizen of that country.
What I want to convey to those who think poking fun of a caricature of a French caucasian carries the same weight or someone from a background *you know* is validated and confident with their standing from an international perspective, safe from being suspected of not being French enough if you live in France, (or that it's commonly accepted France is seen as a respectable country on the world stage, compared to say North Korea).
It is VERY DIFFERENT
from making fun of someone who is likely to represent a culture or a part of the world that is improving and demands respect because it has previously been perceived as otherwise.
A sense of dignity becomes so much more important, in any media element, narrative or product that by extension reflects upon their own sense of identity. It's the same for everyone else.
Some of my friends turn to kdramas or kpop, because until recently they couldn't see themselves reflected in stories created in mainstream media which show an East asian appearance. It's very hurtful when you think about it.
Although what happened was not intentional but more of a systemic issue, what this conveys to my friends is that they are not seen as an equal and important member of the society they live in.
South Korea made of a largely homogenous population, hasn't yet felt the need to develop awareness and self-reflect on it's perceptions of other widely different cultures across the world.
That is why an Arab prince can be used as a funny but measly and shallow caricature for self-serving intents to further emphasise the main leads and push the drama's storyline, EVEN THOUGH the screenwriters probably didn't have malicious or racist intentions.
Only except that the intended audience (mainly South Korean) would be laughing at the expense of the another group people (that make up a large subset of the global population), WITHOUT EVER KNOWING the implications of it on others.
This cultural awareness of implications only develops when you broaden your views to accept others different from you with different backgrounds and values. Especially when this show is broadcast to an international audience as well, so that's why they need to take in extra consideration.
A suggestion could be, if you want to cast a character from a culture different from the predominant one in your own country, whether it's for comedy relief or as a villain, put in the effort to write the character as authentically and genuinely as possible, and not some cheap material to simply push the story.
This way it shows respect, and makes those who identify with the character's culture feel more comfortable.
Again, these are observations of mine in my life (not my own personal beliefs); everyone else here on mydramalist leads different lives in other countries and will have vastly different opinions on the other side of the spectrum.
That's okay, I just want to contribute a perspective I haven't really seen been talked here yet.
I'm not Middle Eastern, nor am I following a muslim religion, so clearly there may be some discrepancies on how I should have worded my message.
Wait, what happened? I'm curious. Does it have to do with bl novels not only being censored but also completely removed from the platform? I have no idea, so I'm just wondering :O
And giggling at the shocker of seeing this blunt observation just so crudely and casually made, without any context whatsoever. Makes me feel like I'm in on the gossip.
Yeah haven't watched this yet, but now my interest is piqued, thanks to you. XD
I gave in, comments from you guys piqued my interest, so I just saw the trailer. And wow, I was literally sinking my teeth into my clenched up fist throughout its entirety. It was toe tingling, and filled me to the brim with giddiness.
Seeing the female just freely, openly embrace and boldly express her *desires* in a seductive manner in cdramas, is frankly, just so refreshing. And a male as a muse, in a cdrama?!
Really, it makes any other female viewer feel vindicated for relating, and for once not having to see some other dramas frame their female main characters as "naughty" when "passively" exposing themselves to intimate situations, which "accidentally" happen to no fault of their own.
Let us hope we will get an uncut version because I have seen some pictures of a certain car scene and I really…
Okay now you HAVE to tell me what they were doing in the car. Like what context (trope where they accidentally fall on top of each other), angle ... position? *shy* Give me the details :3
But I personally feel Cang Xuan's reveal of his cruel side at the toss of a coin, was conveyed well by his actor. It's subtle and I actually have to read into his character to see when he's being genuine or not.
Still, I don't know why I'm not connecting to these male leads? Is it because their script lines or actions, or is it the characters themselves?
But clearly it's very popular and a lot of people are raving about Xiang Liu too, so I still haven't gotten that "it" factor from XL yet? :(
I think I still haven't recovered from XL's *extremely* abusive phase (towards Xiao Yao) but just because he threw a charming glance her way or performed some dramatically flirtatious action, now Xiao Yao somehow finds herself seeing him in a romantic view? I don't get it?
I mean I *want* to feel emotionally invested in at least *one* of the male leads!
If you have time, do you mind telling me the parts of the drama that you like so far? I know you said you like watching the carefree Xiao Yao. :)
So didn't she willingly want to kiss Jing because she was attracted to him? But Jing stopped the kiss because he thought she didn't kiss him out of true love but instead a moment of pity? (Because he looked so endearingly pitiful so she felt attracted to him instead of actually loving him?)
Did I miss something that insinuated she was thinking about XL during her kiss with Jing? I was under the impression she had good control of her heart and knew how to guard it well?
Like I forced myself to watch up to ep28, but I'm still not moved yet *sigh*.
Actually I feel like I'm reading the type of shoujo manga I would have fallen in love with, when I was 13/14. Maybe because I'm already very familiar with the type of female/male main leads shown here that I could foresee what they were going to do next in each scene and where the story was going and how it was going to end, so I wasn't surprised anymore?
The set, clothes, and props are *very* beautiful though :) Happy drama watching for Lost you forever! :D
Actually please tell me your thoughts! Like how did this drama move you? What scenes? Why do you think it's deep? Anything you feel like complimenting this drama on :)
I understand dynamics of discrimination changes depending on what country or local area you're in and vehemently believe it's not okay when "some people say that a person of colour can't be racist against white people". (Just about that, while that's true, the real life consequences are so much more significant and I've seen it happen around me all the time, even in 2023. So it becomes hard to just laugh it off.)
Actually when I was typing the initial comment, I didn't want to be simply dismissive or antagonistic towards so many concerns below as simply a personal flaw of not being open-minded enough, or of extreme nationalistic sentiment.
I was trying to come to an understanding as to why other commentators below who identify with those backgrounds were genuinely very sensitive and felt hurt about the portrayal of the Arab prince.
But it seems more likely now my understanding was completely wrong!
I think a commentator below put it more accurately, that team behind the drama should have done some more research before portraying an Arab character.
What has happened here is equivalent to the yellow-faced caricature of a "Chinaman" in the Breakfast at Tiffany's movie. Everyone knows how disgusting that was right?
It happened at a time when Asian people were looked down upon and not seen as equals. To the intended audience (primarily white), it was nothing more than a funny gimmick, nothing too serious, in fact who cares about the Asian man?
It's a sign of the times, where social progress and the critical conversations that drive it, has yet to occur in South Korea to a sufficient level.
Most of the time, people who perpetuate discriminatory actions against others, don't even intend to be discriminatory. It's caused by a lack of self-reflection without examining your inner bias against a set group of people.
Let's be honest here,
- if you are not of Middle eastern background, or don't have an appearance that suggest Muslim belief
- and you were raised up in or have been living for a long time in a developed part of the world (such Australia, US, France, Germany),
- even if the suburb you reside in is heavily multicultural,
it's still not hard to pick up underlying passive social cues that Middle Eastern and associated muslim culture is looked down upon, whether it's in the workplace, school, or anywhere else.
-Lack of *actual* engagement in mainstream media with middle eastern culture, compounded by negative media coverage (e.g. middle eastern gangs, corruption), perceived socioeconomic factors, some infamous backwards values associated with the culture, etc.
It doesn't matter how rich or powerful the Middle Eastern elite are known to be, e.g. in this case an Arab prince.
All these come together to portray a relatively negative image of Arabs and other associated Middle Eastern culture.
OF COURSE THIS IS WRONG and I personally don't believe in this.
However just read up on articles by immigrants discussing what it's like to be of Middle Eastern background in the west, even in this day and age, and there is still so much that needs to change.
It is very easy to understand how these circulating ideas inevitably lead to racist events occurring, which lead to low self-esteem and self-doubt as a middle eastern or muslim appearing citizen of that country.
What I want to convey to those who think poking fun of a caricature of a French caucasian carries the same weight or someone from a background *you know* is validated and confident with their standing from an international perspective, safe from being suspected of not being French enough if you live in France, (or that it's commonly accepted France is seen as a respectable country on the world stage, compared to say North Korea).
It is VERY DIFFERENT
from making fun of someone who is likely to represent a culture or a part of the world that is improving and demands respect because it has previously been perceived as otherwise.
A sense of dignity becomes so much more important, in any media element, narrative or product that by extension reflects upon their own sense of identity. It's the same for everyone else.
Some of my friends turn to kdramas or kpop, because until recently they couldn't see themselves reflected in stories created in mainstream media which show an East asian appearance. It's very hurtful when you think about it.
Although what happened was not intentional but more of a systemic issue, what this conveys to my friends is that they are not seen as an equal and important member of the society they live in.
South Korea made of a largely homogenous population, hasn't yet felt the need to develop awareness and self-reflect on it's perceptions of other widely different cultures across the world.
That is why an Arab prince can be used as a funny but measly and shallow caricature for self-serving intents to further emphasise the main leads and push the drama's storyline, EVEN THOUGH the screenwriters probably didn't have malicious or racist intentions.
Only except that the intended audience (mainly South Korean) would be laughing at the expense of the another group people (that make up a large subset of the global population), WITHOUT EVER KNOWING the implications of it on others.
This cultural awareness of implications only develops when you broaden your views to accept others
different from you with different backgrounds and values. Especially when this show is broadcast to an international audience as well, so that's why they need to take in extra consideration.
A suggestion could be, if you want to cast a character from a culture different from the predominant one in your own country, whether it's for comedy relief or as a villain, put in the effort to write the character as authentically and genuinely as possible, and not some cheap material to simply push the story.
This way it shows respect, and makes those who identify with the character's culture feel more comfortable.
Again, these are observations of mine in my life (not my own personal beliefs); everyone else here on mydramalist leads different lives in other countries and will have vastly different opinions on the other side of the spectrum.
That's okay, I just want to contribute a perspective I haven't really seen been talked here yet.
I'm not Middle Eastern, nor am I following a muslim religion, so clearly there may be some discrepancies on how I should have worded my message.
If it offended you, sorry!
And giggling at the shocker of seeing this blunt observation just so crudely and casually made, without any context whatsoever. Makes me feel like I'm in on the gossip.
Yeah haven't watched this yet, but now my interest is piqued, thanks to you. XD
Seeing the female just freely, openly embrace and boldly express her *desires* in a seductive manner in cdramas, is frankly, just so refreshing. And a male as a muse, in a cdrama?!
Really, it makes any other female viewer feel vindicated for relating, and for once not having to see some other dramas frame their female main characters as "naughty" when "passively" exposing themselves to intimate situations, which "accidentally" happen to no fault of their own.