I know, right...everyone's gotta be the PC police or something. And if they actually did watch the show, they…
"First, I never mentioned my skin color or my nationality. I only said I lived in Korea."
Anyone who props up ideas meant to negatively impact those of dark + underprivileged backgrounds is "culturally white".
" I don't want to discredit those who've been genuinely hurt by colorism."
yet thats exactly what you are doing by trying to normalize harmful tv tropes.
"I simply don't get the sense that the intention of the humor around the FL is to mock people of color, but rather focused her covering up her lies, where I would be more likely to say that of the previous version of this drama."
Thats exactly their intention. To mock them and have her behavior / image not associated with those of paler complexion. Ever watch Misses Doubtfire? Thats a GOOD example of disguising yourself without pushing a colorist tv trope.
"My main original point in commenting last time is that.... You're doing a disservice to yourself by misappropriating and apply the origins of the American minstrel shows to Thailand's classism problem."
American minstrel shows are both classist and racist you uneducated buffoon lol. You are doing a bad job of trying to separate racism and class and acting like it has nothing to do with this drama. It's 100% relevant. Even thai's themselves are using the blackface term (look at the 2 articles i just posted) but here you are discounting how they feel. You don't have their best interest at hand if invalidating criticism dark skin Thai people have is your main concern.
"Just because an MDL member or members don't share your viewpoint, it doesn't make them "white", a racist, a xenophobe, or one who celebrates people being mocked for their skin color two people on MDL"
I know, right...everyone's gotta be the PC police or something. And if they actually did watch the show, they…
Its racism because its a CHINESE person mocking dark skin people from Issan and Southern Thai people. Stop applying what you think you know in a KOREAN CONTEXT onto a multi ethnic Thai society.
here is what some ACTUAL thai people said about the drama,
but even after reading these comments, you'll still normalize colorism and say "its part of asian culture" (when you only live in racist ass korea which is HOMOGENOUS) and that its their right to ONLY portray dark skin people as buffoons, clowns, and associate it with uglyness. Her behavior is being shoved onto this dark skin caricature thus making it a a reflection of the people shes mocking. Its a problematic trope. Its always white people like you who want to act tone deaf to how dark skin people feel.
If they're going to erase dark skin people from dramas and representation, then at the very least, don't mock them!
I know, right...everyone's gotta be the PC police or something. And if they actually did watch the show, they…
*everyone calls her ugly, she acts like a clown, makes derpy faces commonly seen in minstrel shows, is playing the help/cook/maid*
but okay, go on and normalize racist tv tropes just like all the racist mydramalist fans. With these kinds of fans i'm not surprised at why all the top celebrities are half white in thailand. Yall support the erasure thats happening.
Surprised this is happening considering there are other Thai bl pairings that have more fans in korea (Like Taynew, 2wish, and the 2moons season 1 cast)
people can make any scene they want. Its called "free speech". I know its a hard concept for you to grasp being…
if you are a tan skin asian woman, then you should understand why they are venting. People are tired of Thai tv shows pushing toxic tropes. To me, its like saying rape is okay because the lead character doing it is handsome. There is no excuse in 2021 that this kind of mockery is still acceptable. If you wanna get upset that people won't let you enjoy a minstrel show in peace, then you are at the wrong site and the wrong time era. Stuff like this is going to get people to talk.
Gurl, calm down. You're falling in a wrong track, if you don't know the real purpose of the story, just keep your…
She CHOSE to take the part just like Scarlett Johansson chose the part of Ghost in the Shell (whitewashing an asian role) and Zoe Saldana took the part of Nina Simone (darkening her skin and wearing a fake nose). Anyone who chooses to partake in problematic tv/movie roles are not immune of any fault or criticism.
people can make any scene they want. Its called "free speech". I know its a hard concept for you to grasp being…
i bet they wouldn't like it if it was a white person painting themselves yellow, slanting their eyes, and doing all kinds of self degradation. But when they do it to their own darker skin people in their country, they are like "its life, get over it". People will be quick to normalize something as long as it doesn't directly affect them or mess up their escapism media. The colorism problem in asia will never get better because of people like them
people should calm down! just enjoy the drama! if you don't like how they portray things, just leave and don't…
people can make any scene they want. Its called "free speech". I know its a hard concept for you to grasp being chinese but in the free world we are allowed to have opinions and voice them. This tv show is not only mocking dark skin thai women but also pushing a toxic colorist tv trope portraying them in a clown-like manner, dimwitted and unattractive. if it makes you feel uncomfortable that people are voicing their frustrations, don't read it then. Go watch your racist tv show then.
I know, right...everyone's gotta be the PC police or something. And if they actually did watch the show, they…
because in real life, dark skin women are discriminated against and are never given lead roles on thai tv. they'd rather paint a thai chinese girl brown to make her "ugly" and make fun of them
Keep cool. This has nothing to do with black face.
stop strawmanning and stop normalizing colorism. So racial mockery is okay as long as its not a "black african" person being mocked? You sound ridiculously hypocritical. By your logic, that means, anyone can change their skin and mock Indians, dark skin Thais from Issan, Native Americans, etc. as long as its not "western blackface". GTFO with that faulty logic. Its not okay under any circumstance to mock under privileged people for their skintone. Namfah is partaking in a toxic television trope to paint Dark skin thais in a negative image. An image that shows them to be ugly/dumb/butt of the joke/etc. Its 2021. Things need to change. We need more positive images of dark skin people on Thai television. NOT MOCKERY. So in order for her to look "ugly", they had to darken her skin? Every character in the show even referred to her as ugly because of her darkened skin. How are you people still saying thats not racist imagery?
Keep cool. This has nothing to do with black face.
"She's still painting herself black to mock darker skin Thai people (Specifically Issan and Southern thai). It doesn't make it better or worse that it isn't a black person. Stop trying to justify racism."
reposting this because all you did in your reply was strawman. And you have the nerve to say "say something intelligent". How about you actually respond to what i wrote? But noooo, you decide to derail the whole narrative into a discussion on "whether or not this is blackface". Thats IRRELEVANT to my post. The main problem is a woman darkening her skin to yet again push a toxic NEGATIVE television trope that dark skin = "ugly, dumb, and something to laugh at". Dark Skin thai people are never given lead roles on tv and are often erased from representation. And when they are finally given a role, they always get put into roles where they are shown in a negative light constantly. Whether that its the predatory villain or the clown that everyone laughs at. This show takes it even further because shes not even dark to begin with and HAS TO PAINT HER SKIN. So of course a dark skin person from Issan or Southern Thailand would feel some type of way seeing this. ITS MOCKERY. Especially when all the characters in the show are telling her shes ugly!
And its funny how that other person also strawmanned at the same time. Either yall are dummy accounts or in cahoots with each other to derail the conversation just so you guys can try to normalize colorism and say "its part of asia's culture blah blah blah". FYI I AM ASIAN, so pulling this "westerners stay in your lane" crap doesn't work with me.
Keep cool. This has nothing to do with black face.
She's still painting herself black to mock darker skin Thai people (Specifically Issan and Southern thai). It doesn't make it better or worse that it isn't a black person. Stop trying to justify racism.
Every comment here has a valid reason to be upset at this Minstrel show. Racism can be triggering to many people…
"doesn't mean dark ones are treated differently"
Yes it does:
[Popular young vlogger Natthawadee “Suzie” Waikalo, whose father is from Mali and mother is from Thailand, said she has experienced various forms of racism in Thailand because of her darker skin tone throughout her life.
"They let me go from my job and wouldn’t say why,” Natthawadee, 25, noted, adding that she later learned that she had been fired because her employer thought that her physical characteristics and demeanor “made the company look bad.”
Meanwhile, on public transport some people would refuse to sit next to her, she said, citing racial prejudice as the probable cause. Even as a child in school, she was routinely mocked and ostracized because of her African looks, Natthawadee said.
“After school, my sisters and I would talk over dinner about how we were made fun of, even though it shouldn’t be a dinnertime topic,” said Natthawadee,
The Thai social media star laid the blame for ingrained prejudices on Thailand’s dominant beauty industry, television shows and cultural traditions whereby lighter skin is widely seen as prettier and more preferable, especially in women.
Daytime soap operas, which are hugely popular, routinely feature fair-skinned actresses, many of whom have partial Caucasian heritage. Meanwhile, the role of villain is often reserved for people with darker skin.
“There exist stereotypes, biases, and judgments — even if secretly whispered — which incite many of the racial issues present at a larger scale. We see buses toting whitening cream adverts and dark-skinned actors perpetually clowning around in comedic roles on TV every day.”
"Thai society still treats black skin as something unacceptable,” Natthawadee said. “You cannot [succeed] with this skin color.” ]
the leads are cute ..its not as bad as the comments here ..
Every comment here has a valid reason to be upset at this Minstrel show. Racism can be triggering to many people just as rape is. Do you know how much Dark skin women are erased from representation in Thailand and told they are too ugly to be in the entertainment industry?? And now they have to deal with an actress mocking them on the tv screens now. I don't like seeing that at all.
Its just so normalized that dark skin = "idiots, poor, ugly". Would we ever see a dark skin thai woman paint their skin white and do the same?? Never because they don't have the privilege to be in a lead role in the first place. All we can do is tell people not to watch and hope it flops.
Anyone who props up ideas meant to negatively impact those of dark + underprivileged backgrounds is "culturally white".
" I don't want to discredit those who've been genuinely hurt by colorism."
yet thats exactly what you are doing by trying to normalize harmful tv tropes.
"I simply don't get the sense that the intention of the humor around the FL is to mock people of color, but rather focused her covering up her lies, where I would be more likely to say that of the previous version of this drama."
Thats exactly their intention. To mock them and have her behavior / image not associated with those of paler complexion. Ever watch Misses Doubtfire? Thats a GOOD example of disguising yourself without pushing a colorist tv trope.
"My main original point in commenting last time is that.... You're doing a disservice to yourself by misappropriating and apply the origins of the American minstrel shows to Thailand's classism problem."
American minstrel shows are both classist and racist you uneducated buffoon lol. You are doing a bad job of trying to separate racism and class and acting like it has nothing to do with this drama. It's 100% relevant. Even thai's themselves are using the blackface term (look at the 2 articles i just posted) but here you are discounting how they feel. You don't have their best interest at hand if invalidating criticism dark skin Thai people have is your main concern.
"Just because an MDL member or members don't share your viewpoint, it doesn't make them "white", a racist, a xenophobe, or one who celebrates people being mocked for their skin color two people on MDL"
Sounds about white.
here is what some ACTUAL thai people said about the drama,
https://drama.kapook.com/view238075.html
https://www.komchadluek.net/news/ent/459293
"maid = dark-skinned and ugly?"
"It's been 2021. What a backward drama"
"Keep making more and more of such dramas so, I can permanently stop watching your channel"
"You're implanting inferior complex onto dark-skinned/moled persons and promoting unhealthy prejudice"
but even after reading these comments, you'll still normalize colorism and say "its part of asian culture" (when you only live in racist ass korea which is HOMOGENOUS) and that its their right to ONLY portray dark skin people as buffoons, clowns, and associate it with uglyness. Her behavior is being shoved onto this dark skin caricature thus making it a a reflection of the people shes mocking. Its a problematic trope. Its always white people like you who want to act tone deaf to how dark skin people feel.
If they're going to erase dark skin people from dramas and representation, then at the very least, don't mock them!
but okay, go on and normalize racist tv tropes just like all the racist mydramalist fans. With these kinds of fans i'm not surprised at why all the top celebrities are half white in thailand. Yall support the erasure thats happening.
I wish them success!
portraying them in a clown-like manner, dimwitted and unattractive. if it makes you feel uncomfortable that people are voicing their frustrations, don't read it then. Go watch your racist tv show then.
reposting this because all you did in your reply was strawman. And you have the nerve to say "say something intelligent". How about you actually respond to what i wrote? But noooo, you decide to derail the whole narrative into a discussion on "whether or not this is blackface". Thats IRRELEVANT to my post. The main problem is a woman darkening her skin to yet again push a toxic NEGATIVE television trope that dark skin = "ugly, dumb, and something to laugh at". Dark Skin thai people are never given lead roles on tv and are often erased from representation. And when they are finally given a role, they always get put into roles where they are shown in a negative light constantly. Whether that its the predatory villain or the clown that everyone laughs at. This show takes it even further because shes not even dark to begin with and HAS TO PAINT HER SKIN. So of course a dark skin person from Issan or Southern Thailand would feel some type of way seeing this. ITS MOCKERY. Especially when all the characters in the show are telling her shes ugly!
And its funny how that other person also strawmanned at the same time. Either yall are dummy accounts or in cahoots with each other to derail the conversation just so you guys can try to normalize colorism and say "its part of asia's culture blah blah blah". FYI I AM ASIAN, so pulling this "westerners stay in your lane" crap doesn't work with me.
Yes it does:
[Popular young vlogger Natthawadee “Suzie” Waikalo, whose father is from Mali and mother is from Thailand, said she has experienced various forms of racism in Thailand because of her darker skin tone throughout her life.
"They let me go from my job and wouldn’t say why,” Natthawadee, 25, noted, adding that she later learned that she had been fired because her employer thought that her physical characteristics and demeanor “made the company look bad.”
Meanwhile, on public transport some people would refuse to sit next to her, she said, citing racial prejudice as the probable cause. Even as a child in school, she was routinely mocked and ostracized because of her African looks, Natthawadee said.
“After school, my sisters and I would talk over dinner about how we were made fun of, even though it shouldn’t be a dinnertime topic,” said Natthawadee,
The Thai social media star laid the blame for ingrained prejudices on Thailand’s dominant beauty industry, television shows and cultural traditions whereby lighter skin is widely seen as prettier and more preferable, especially in women.
Daytime soap operas, which are hugely popular, routinely feature fair-skinned actresses, many of whom have partial Caucasian heritage. Meanwhile, the role of villain is often reserved for people with darker skin.
“There exist stereotypes, biases, and judgments — even if secretly whispered — which incite many of the racial issues present at a larger scale. We see buses toting whitening cream adverts and dark-skinned actors perpetually clowning around in comedic roles on TV every day.”
"Thai society still treats black skin as something unacceptable,” Natthawadee said. “You cannot [succeed] with this skin color.” ]
Source: https://catholic-sf.org/news/thai-woman-highlights-racism-in-her-homeland
Please stop trying to trivialize racism just because you aren't personally affected by it. India's society is known to be colorist as well.
Its just so normalized that dark skin = "idiots, poor, ugly". Would we ever see a dark skin thai woman paint their skin white and do the same?? Never because they don't have the privilege to be in a lead role in the first place. All we can do is tell people not to watch and hope it flops.