I don't understand why there are such huge age gaps. Why aren't there 4-5 year age gaps and the best is 6 years (Hyeon Jun vs Ji won/ So Hyun). Please don't misunderstand. I'm asking this cos everyone seems flustered, especially the men. Does this age gap (like 10 years or 12 years) work well in South Korea? I'm asking cos I'm curious.
and if Bon Hee was oppa, a guy, then it would be okay with you? they are all younger but before age revelation,…
My dear, it's not about if it's okay 'with me'. I think you are going off the point. The point is 'her feelings', 'her expectations' and 'her worries'. You are talking about me and yourself and your experiences. Bon Hee was worried right from the beginning. I'm not complaining about that at all. It is normal. It is natural. Anyone in her shoes would be. It just means that she is taking it seriously. She is the one participant that caught my attention the moment I saw her. So, don't spread unnecessary hate. It's not about gender either. Aigoo! I'm talking from her perspective. I absolutely got both of their ages right. I knew he'd be 1999 and she would be nearing her 40s and her best age would be 37. I just now finished watching episode 9. Again, it's not my perspective or how the world functions or how many people in the history of the world have had bigger age gaps. Please don't go off the point. It's about 'her concerns'. That's it.
I've still not completed all the episodes. There is one thing that has bothered me a lot. Even as a viewer, as a non-Korean, I can see that Mu Jin is too young compared to Bon Hwi. Also, except for the very first coffee date, Bon Hwi seems like a much older woman to me. And she says she has a younger brother who is much younger than her. How can she not see that Mu Jin is younger too? It's super obvious. This really is weird to me. I'm still watching ep 7 and I had to rant. I'll go back now
i also took interest in her and sangwon, hoping they would be the second couple:( i feel he was too straightforward.…
I'm watching ep 4 so I don't know many details yet. However, I agree that Sang Won was a bit straightforward. Poor boy, he is still getting to know everyone and everyone has their own pace. Also, with Ye Won I liked that she became happy again when Sang Won approached her again after their date. I mean it'd have been bad if she kept giving cold shoulder to him. She is like a child, quickly switching emotions. I'm still watching the show, so I'll get to understand how different people's emotions work and all. Let's see..
I'm watching the scene right after their date. Seeing Ye Eun, I understand the importance of clear communication.
Sang Won was really nice. It's only towards the end, he expressed that he has one more person that he wants to talk to. Tbh, I understand why Ye Eun is displeased. But, is it that bad for him to want to talk to another person? This is their very first date and conversation right? Did she expect him to say 'No you are the only one right now' or sth? Maybe the way he spoke was straightforward?
At least, I wish she would face the entirety of what happened - that she liked her date with Sang Won until he said that. Idk.. I just started taking an interest in her during her date with Sang Won but right now I'm a little disappointed with her.. :(
Oh my goodness! I'm watching another dating show while waiting for the next episode of Exchange 4. What is wrong with me?? Hahaha.
Currently watching episode 2 and so far I have laughed a lot. The noona-dongsaeng dynamics is so hilarious.. the generation gaps LOL! It's also so cute.. since I'm still in the beginning of the show, sometimes it feels so painful to watch the boys because they may want to seem like a man to the women but they may come across as cute. Haha! Hmm.. but I'm enjoying the show as is. I think, like Bo Hwi (Hee?) answered Mu Jin, the best they can expect from 9 days together under special conditions is develop an interest towards someone whom they think they can potentially see outside the show. Falling in love during 9 days seems impossible, but if that happens to any of them, then wow!!
ugh I initially liked seungyong & was rooting for him ðŸ˜ðŸ˜but what the hell is he doing
Hehe.. I thought 'Ooh wow!' Lol! I mean I have addressed this is another comment but instead of doing this he could very well utilize his time expressing sincerity towards his interest and how he palns to overcome the issue they've had in the past.
However, given the kind of situation they are in and the time pressure and the fact that HJ is super interested in YS, strategically his moves are legit brave. Cos man got to do what he needs to do in a show like this. He isn't interested in anyone else and he can't be sitting around waiting. I think it's nice of him to at least tell her his honest thoughts about how he is going to interfere. Hahahaha! Idk, man he is so funny I can't hate him! I mean, if he actually does sth bad, I'm not gonna find him funny anymore. Nevertheless, he isn't the villain type. Just man trying his best to win over HJ whether it works or not. Heh!
Yoosik needs to retake MBTI test. I just can't understand that he is F guy and he showed no emotion at all. Even…
Ahh here I'd like to respectfully point few things out. Every participant is precious and not everyone is the same and cannot be judged through the same standards. Everyone's time runs at a different pace. So considering all this, let me say a few things.
First of all, both YS and MK care for each other deeply. And yes, haha even I was thinking if YS was really ESFJ and not a 'T'. Okay, jokes aside, they both express differently. Just because MK cries, has a meltdown, whines and throws a tantrum, her eye veins popping, and YS going on dates doesn't mean YS doesn't care. On a surface level it seems so, doesn't it? However, there is a huge gap between the way they express their feelings and handle emotions or issues. The maturity level is very different for them.
Let's not forget that they both started dating when they were still in school. However, as time goes by, don't people grow up and mature fast? This is what I perceive happened with them. YS is a lot thoughtful and mature. He thinks about how his words and actions would affect, while MK seems to be the same girl from school. I'm not saying one thing is better over the other. But I'm merely saying they are at different paces in life. He has added responsibilities and is an adult. MK is not there yet.
From their conversations, I can't help but observe that YS is practical and realistic. Just think about it. They clearly had a problem. Probably it built slowly over the years or at some point in their lives. If a person was serious, wouldn't they carefully think about how to solve the problem? I can't see MK thinking about it from that angle. She blames him for everything and YS admits to it. But in any breakup, both the parties have responsibilities. MK is quite not mature enough to understand things. Her conversations are one sided and she behaves like a child (please don't misunderstand). Blaming the other person 100% is not a mature thing at all. In a relationship, there is not just good times but hard times as well. Learning to compromise is crucial. The matter at hand is important.
YS is a freelancer and is building his career while MK is still a student. He has a lot more pressure and what he said is realistic - that he can't say no to a project since freelancing is not a stable job. This is reality. He is young too, mind you. Just a year older than her. At this point, yes it is going to be hard for MK. But I'm not sure if career was the only hindrance. I can't help but imagine if she had nagged him a lot just like how she does in the show, man trust me it's seriously going to be exhausting for the partner.
Let's not forget, it's not just hard for MK, but YS as well. Let's not forget that he wasn't goofing around making MK lonely. He had to grab at every opportunity he got to establish the career especially since he is freelancing. This is a relationship and it's not a cake walk. This needs efforts, nurturing, patience.
I can't help but see how sad YS was inthe beginning and how excited MK was. She went on dates with all of them. At that point YS was watching her and was passive towards everyone else. Still MK was angry that YS was awake in the night chatting. This is anger and revenge. She goes on dates but she wants him to sleep. This is anger. She has not understood him still. He is lively in a peaceful and happy environment and he was getting along with BH a lot. Man needs a break too.
This is not to defend one and point at the other. I try to see the big picture. Unless MK calms down and listens, YS is not going to want to speak. Is MK truly wants him back, she is going to have to learn to have a calm conversation and more importantly listen to his thoughts. If confronted, cornered, any man would want to run away like SY said. This is reality.
Both MK and YS care for each other. MK gave attention to others first and then decided on YS while YS gave attention to MK first and then decided to explore sth new. I still believe there is a lot of potential for them to get back together. Only hope they learn from this experience. YS wanted MK to give him some time to step back and think. That is exactly what he is doing. I hope he makes the choice for himself. MK wants to get back together? For what? is my question. Putting the blame entirely on the other person and demanding them to change is not the right way of thinking. Either they both work together to solve the problem between them or they find their respective suitable partners outside. End.
wow this was a really great analysis! can i ask for your take on HJ/BK? and HJ/YS? i'd love to hear your thoughts
And here are my thoughts about the HJ/ YS dynamics. Please feel free to share your observations as well. Here we go ~
Love this couple so much for their honesty. Understanding YS requires careful observation cos he speaks carefully and thoughtfully. He doesn't like misunderstandings or a conversation that produces no productive outcome. He is full of affection and cares a lot about the other person. He also tries to be as respectful as he can - reason why he stops the conversation with MK when he perceives it going in a negative direction. He cherishes the memories and is careful approaching a subject. Remember in the beginning when MK was upset that he spent late nights with the housemates while with her he was always tired? He stayed quiet and accepted the scolding from her though he was very upset too. Later when MK started scolding him and nagging him, he boiled over too. It doesn't mean he doesn't care. He has rights to express emotions as much as MK. YS also seems to be the kind of person who quietly takes care of you. For example, the shrimp situation when he told HJ he isn't a picky eater and can eat anything. Also, on the Japan date, he doesn't like to go on ferry wheel but did it for the other person. If he can do this for a new person, I can only imagine how much he would have done for MK during their long relationship. Ofc, over the period, when many sacrifices are made, people get frustrated thinking they have their life and choices too. It's normal people. Again, not saying MK didn't do that. She is very very affectionate and I remember how she quietly sat by his side when he was sleeping on the sofa and covered him without disturbing his sleep. I wish she knows that he still gets tired and falls asleep. Lol! Anyway, this is just to talk about what kind of person YS seems to be.
Now coming to the YS/ HJ dynamics, both have the mature side though YS still feels like a boy but HJ is more mature. However, YS is thoughtful, which is his natural personality. He took things slow in the beginning. Never leaned toward one person or sth. He was all about MK. Again, he doesn't express it like BH doesn't mean he is indifferent. Tbh, since he is the type to not say everything and is very very thoughtful before speaking, I am glad that he has friends who he can laugh with and distract himself. Hmm.. if you remember, he doesn't answer every question. He also needs time to process before speaking or making a decision which I think is very good. Instead of being emotionally led and changing his mind often, he tends to think deeply before deciding what he wants to say or do. If you remember, once on a date with HJ, he asks her to give him 5 minutes before he speaks. Many viewers who are upset with YS and hate him miss this trait of his. I'm not saying, after he thinks he is perfect in his word or action. I'm saying he seems to be a very sincere person. The reason why he took a long time to open up to others and the reason why he avoids MK cos MK isn't the type of calms address issues. And she has a lot of misunderstandings towards YS which I think is very sad.
Sorry for talking a lot about YS/ MK. I thought that was where a lot of his feelings were captured.
Anyway HJ/ YS -> Both are quite alike in a way. They both take it slowly. Both were hung up on their exes and did not fully immerse in each other. For them, things have started only after Japan. Again, only started, we don't know how it'll go. But given how thoughtful and sincere they are towards their feelings and choices, I'm sure whatever they choose will definitely be well thought out and towards a serious choice, not just emotionally driven or a temporary heart fluttering feeling. They tend to think ahead which is what I like.
Also, it is precisely because YS is very careful with words or expressing himself, I cannot say 100% what he thinks or feels. What I understand is, he needs a partner who can match his wavelength, who can listen and express honestly. This is very much needed so compromises can be made where necessary. I think HJ can absolutely fulfill this part. She is realistic and he is realistic as well. If you remember, when conversing with SY, he thought HJ liked someone tall and handsome but HJ tells him that she is looking for someone who is kind and considerate. Then again, in their room (I think ?), SY once again brings up the 'good-looking' point. Good-looking is only for first attraction. After that comes the real part, the kind of person they are. HJ needs someone who understands her, who can honestly express themselves, who knows what she needs. I can see YS having all of these qualities - is mature, can listen well, can speak thoughtfully. I remember BH tell the same - that YS is thoughtful. Even in Japan, when choosing their ex-date, SY still believed HJ would be interested in YS because he is good-looking (smh!). BH understands her a lot better than SY. SMH. Anyway, another thing I like about YS is he has never prioritized 'looks' just like HJ. Both of them like honesty, can hold clear communication and are very sincere towards the choice they make.
Now, I'm not able to comment much on YS/ HJ. Maybe because they have butterflies but we are yet to see deeper conversations. Things that matter like their career, the time they can make for each other, HJ's plan to marry young. This is what reality is. Heart flutters will pass away sooner or later. But whether their goals and expectations match is the point for a serious decision. Here is where my concern lies. YS is too young. HJ is ready for marriage. Oh, btw I do not support SY just because he is ready to marry. Nope. Marriage is more serious than dating. So if SY wants to marry HJ, he first needs to clear his head and pay attention to her. I'm worries about YS. HJ is pretty clear with her choice. So far, YS has only said 'It's you' when talking about the woman who makes him curious and the woman who makes his heart flutter. It is not the answer that includes his interest towards his ex.
Another thing I like is HJ gives him time to sort out his feelings. This will definitely sit well with YS cos MK is impatient.
I'm glad about two things - YS stepping up his game. Initially he was not interested to open up to other females. He even spoke about this to WK. Glad that he had WK as his roommate who helped him sort out his dilemma regarding age gap. Other thing I'm glad about is HJ realizing she has to be sincere with her feelings. Not only did she learn this but is beautifully implementing it. This is a really cool aspect.
With YS/ HJ, it's either a hit or a miss. Again, HJ is clear. The ball lies with YS. Will he shoot or walk away? Thing is he knows YS more than what we know during this show. MK seems to take majority of his thoughts. Oh, it doesn't seem like it right? But I think, he is avoiding her because of arguements and not healthy conversations. However, this doesn't at all mean that they won't overcome it. Either MK will try and understand his perspective or they will compromise. There is even a chance where even if MK is still the same and doesn't compromise, YS will choose her and work things out after the show. As much as I like for YS and HJ to work, it's the same as what she told BH. Only one person cannot make a connection work. So now it all depends on YS.
Again, we have 2 problems at hand. Oh I love HJ that she is really clear in communication and is patient - one is HJ is concerned about YS/ MK. She will never get between them if she senses both are leaning towards each other. In which case, if SY steps up she may give him a chance else she will leave alone and be happy after the show. Two is, her desire to get married young. I believe whole heartedly that if YS chooses HJ, then marriage will not be a stopper for them.. This is not about YS didn't commit to MK but he commits to HJ? Nope. For marriage to work, take WK/ JH example. They were so in love and when it comes to marriage, WK was a lot serious which led him to breakup with her (and ofc maybe many other reasons). This is why I believe for YS marriage will, at least, not be a huge reason why he wouldn't continue with the person of interest. It is about whether the marriage will bring peace or chaos. Period. I'm not dismissing the age factor at all. That will definitely be a major point to consider as well but whether the marriage will work with the person is more important. So yea, these 2 genuine concerns for HJ. Personally I'd love it for YS/ HJ to work but realistically not sure. Keeping my fingers crossed.
wow this was a really great analysis! can i ask for your take on HJ/BK? and HJ/YS? i'd love to hear your thoughts
Thank you for the compliment :))
I'll try to put my thoughts based on what I've observed. If there is anything that mismatches with your perspective or you have fresh observations, please feel free to share. So here we go ~
HJ (Hyun Ji) / BH (Baek Hyun) couple - Very interesting couple and this couple dynamics might be confusing for some viewers. We need to put aside our personal feelings to get the reality of what's going on. At least this is what I think.
HJ, as far as I have observed, is very honest. She has a really good analysis of her feelings and emotions. What I mean is, initially she did not have any desire to get back together with BH but she did have those thoughts towards SY. However, once she met them during the prelim interview, she seems to be affected a lot by the way both of them treated her. Let me break this down a bit further - BH treated her sweetly, his words, his eyes were full of that sweetness and adoration. Meanwhile, SY, no need to blame him, spoke his thoughts straightforwardly [he said he felt liberated after their breakup). This was an unexpected response from someone she had a mind to work things out with. So, things changed right from the prelim for her. And she was able to recognize it and express it clearly. This was what I liked about her. With BH, she was able to reminisce the passionate love while with SY she remembers how he treated her. [which we can observe very clearly during their very first couch conversation in Japan].
I honestly 100% believe that if SY had spoken carefully during their prelim, now mind you this is their first official meeting as far as the show is concerned, things would absolutely be different for them. Now I'm not saying they would have ended up together. But at least, she wouldn't have closed off so soon with him. She got hurt and anyone in her shoes, would be hurt too.
Now, she is the catfish right? This means, she appears after the others have at least bonded a little bit. They have formed interests, observed others more. Now she joins, and being a shy person wants to lean on BH. Now, I don't mean to say she wants to get back together or gain his interest. Here let me break down why HJ was crying about him and to him - So HJ had date with YS right? If you recollect carefully, she was so funny trying to talk to YS whenever BH was around. She was very careful not to let her actions bother BH. This was what she expected from BH. However, from BH's perspective, HJ did not text him so he interpreted it as her not having any interest in getting back together. Meanwhile, HJ did not text him because she did not want to confuse him when she is not 100%. Is there anything wrong with how they think? Absolutely not! And HJ was careful whenever BH was around. I have never seen her flirting or talking loudly or dismissing BH to show attention to others whenever BH was around. This, to her, is the respect given to an ex whom, even though are no longer together, they once were in love with.
However, from BH's perspective, HJ did not show any signs that she was interested in him, so he focused on getting to know a new person. Is there anything wrong with this? Absolutely not! Both of them were 50-50 imo. HJ was clear while BH was figuring out his feelings based on HJ's approach. This was where misunderstandings started to build. Both are good people just considerate towards each other in different ways. Alright!
Now, I could always see HJ having her interest in BH only, Now, don't misunderstand me. With YS, she enjoyed her dates, yes. However once they were back, both YS and HJ were more focused on their exes. I'll get to this separately when writing the HJ/ YS portion. But in BH's eyes, he had already determined that HJ and YS were interested in each other. (now I'm really surprised by how intuitive he is - he chose YS for HJ, also knew that SY was going to choose YN for his first date).
Here is the catch - We are observing this as a third person right? Imagine squid game. Players were out there and the bad guy watched it on big TV? That's what our position is LOL! So, players are a lot tormented by emotions and feelings than we can ever imagine, just sitting in front of a screen and watching every angle. Now yeah the catch - so HJ did her utmost best to not bother BH by interacting openly with YS, by displaying her affection or interest towards him. However, BH is super intuitive and knew what was going on between them - their dates and interests I mean. This we know but HJ doesn't. Ofc, we know why she didn't text him. But other than that she was very respectful towards BH. By this, I don't mean she never showed interest towards YS. What I mean is, she didn't brag about it in front of YS. She didn't deliberatly try and talk to YS or other participants leaving BH out. This is where BH was different. Here, from what I observed, BH was always lingering around HJ but talking to other girls. Ofc, I'm not going to blame him or scold him but I wonder if he did this to get her attention or check her reactions or to make her jealous, idk. What I know is it wasn't ill-intentioned. To BH, HJ didn't send him a message so she wasn't interested. However he was LOL! He was waiting for her to make the first move. I'm not sure whethere this sparked from the way they broke up or because he felt he showered her a lot of lvoe and wanted her to do the same. Not sure. One thing I see is BH, howmuchever intuitive he is, he is also not very good in understanding her needs.. very well. But this isn't his fault or sth. Everyone is wired differently. What I liked about BH is he was willing to speak clearly and listen clearly. I love that about this couple.
Anyway, so HJ is into BH the most before Japan. Now, let me explain. This doesn't mean we can ask why then she jumped to YS. Nope. That is not at all what's going on. With BH, she was only 50-50 or whatever the ratio, it wasn't 100%. Otherwise, given her honest nature, she would've showed no interest in anyone other than BH. She has said this many times. Then why did she say she still liked BH right before Japan trip? Hmm.. remember their night long conversation where he apologised for his behaviour (I think it was right for him to apologize. Cos people tone it down a bit infront of the person who you used to love at least in this ridiculous environment), BH kept asking her decision. This is where it's different between BH and HJ. BH always seeks a 'yes' or 'no' but HJ is realistic. She says it's confusing if it's confusing. That's genuinity and authenticity. It's okay to say that if that is what you feel. Every single one of them is like that and that makes us human. But lol, even BH was not a 'yes' or a 'no'. It was conditional.
BH to HJ: if you say 'yes', then I'd think about a 'yes'. But f you say 'no', then I'm a 'no' too. Haha! Mannn.
So, during the time HJ spends with the participants, she realizes that it is better to be sincere towards her feelings than to be prideful. Good girl. She learns this and this was why she told him that maybe she still likes him. Now BH has already developed interest in YN. So, it gets difficult for him. He is exactly like HJ though he kept denying them. Poor boy! Anyway, BH cannot take this gladly and conversation is over.
Now HJ is very clear. People tend to miss out on important details. Feelings cannot be measured and labelled you people. SMH. Anyway what she means is, it takes two to tango. Meaning since they are already broken up, both parties must be willing to get back together and mend their relationship. Isn't that wise? And doesn't that make sense? If only HJ were to keep tugging at BH, how can this work? Example, MK and YS. MK keeps tugging at YS's heart but YS needs some time to think realistically. It's the same. This is why I like HJ a lot. She is the oldest girl there and very thoughtful and mature. Ofc, BH acknowledges HJ's point during their balcony conversation. When she confessed to him, it wasn't like she was 100% into him. She expressed her feelings and if BH had said something that gave hope, they would have conversed more on whether it would work or how to work things out. But to her it was a closure. Let me explain: she let go of her pride and told him what she was feeling. She was honest. This honesty is needed to move forward no matter what the outcome is. And to him, he had been waiting to hear this but the timing was inconvenient for both. Again, we aren't robots but humans with feelings and emotions. It is okay for her to be honest and face her feelings and it is okay for the timing to be late. It is also okay for BH to say 'we should have never met. we should go back to the early 20s again.' Ofc, this meant it's getting complicated. It is okayyy. It is normal. People need to go thru their honest feelings to take the next step. This is what is misisng so far with MK/ YS. Alright next.
Now Japan date arrives, HJ and YS go together, grow a bit closer, try to give themselves a chance to get to know each other. HJ is clear with her direction. BH gets confused again because YS says HJ was honest with her feelings towards him. And this confusion is very very normal. We watched everything while they only know something. So, to BH it must have seemed like 'hey didn't HJ just say that she was still interested in me. Then how come she says she is interested in YS?' I believe this is a very normal confusion for anyone to have. Now what really happened is what HJ explains to him in the balcony. I have explained that above as well. This happened in Episode 16 right? In Episode 17, BH and HJ have a very friendly vibe. Altho' idk why BH keeps being curious about what HJ and YS did, I can say one thing. We aren't robots to just shut down this and power on that.
All we know is BH has chosen YN and is honest with her regarding what he is going thru. I don't see anything happening b/w BH and HJ. What I'm seeing is them being back to post breakup and ready to move on. All this feelings/ confusions (before Japan) happened cos both of them were reminiscing their past and remembered their past affections. But they never had the intention 100% to get back together. That was why it was clean and closed. Whatever they choose, I'll root for them. I like how they have resolved their misunderstandings. They were able to do so only because they recognized their confusion, feelings, emotions and addressed them honestly and maturely end of the day. Since they both have new interests, this will help both of them to move on even more smoothly. However, if one of them slips again into past memories and gets confused, as long as the other person is firm, it won't work. I wish them all the best!
Ikr! It was a little bit disappointing. Instead of doing this, they could utilize the time to show their sincerity…
Yep yep agreed! Also I rewatched it with English subtitles and was disappointed that he keeps bringing up the 'good-looking' aspect. He did it again even after HJ told him that she was looking for a 'kind and considerate man'. Sad, he isn't good at listening either. Ig that's what happens when people become insecure, stressed and impatient. I saw the exact same thing with MK while communicating with YS.
Alright. I can see a little bit of what's going on between YS/ MK. There was a clear reason why their relationship failed in the past. All we know is that YS had many responsibilities to shoulder - his relationship with MK, his career and their future. He took on projects and did not reject them just to be with MK, that shows his maturity. I'm not sure how this was communicated between them. As for MK, she is still looking for the same YS whom she met during school - when they had less responsibilities, less burdens, no career yet and had plenty of time. It is not that YS stopped caring for MK but it is that he had new responsibilities and a future to build. It was his prime time and he had to focus on his career as well. MK saw that as neglect. He must have been exhausted which MK perceived as disinterest.
Again, I'm not saying MK did not understand him or she was less responsible. No. MK is a genuinely great girl but the wavelength changed between them. She was still young, studying, lesser work responsibilities as compared to YS. The way she communicates with him shows that she is still the sweet little girl but ofc amazing woman who adjusted a lot to YS especially when his career intensified. It must have been really hard for her cos the changes must have happened slowly and she might have felt like 'maybe if I wait a little bit, things might change' or 'maybe the work pressure will reduce in some time'.
Not sure how this frustration was communicated. But this is just my guess based on their communication style in the show - YS is mature and thinks on a broader perspective. He is so thoughtful and always approaches carefully. MK is emotionally driven, though she has a good heart and good intentions [Remember when SY talked about shaking things up between YS/ HJ, he did advice her to be calm cos if she confronted him or cornered him, YS might run away]. Again, I'm not saying this is right or that is right. It's okay. Different people handle issues differently. Just because YS has not shown emotions, doesn't mean he doesn't feel anything for MK.
Let me give another example - Look at WK/ JH. WK has always been calm no matter how much jealous he felt whenever JH showed interest in other guys. He admitted that JH was angry at him. At the same time, JH has reasons to be mad at him and shows it so emotionally. She is emotionally driven. Again, see WJ/ JY.. JY was emotionally driven as well, when she showed jealousy and anger after WJ told her about MK. And the noodles situation. I'm saying it's normal for different people to react differently, for different people to handle issues differently. There is no right or wrong here when they are angry/ upset. People's heart is greater than an emotional outburst. In anger, many words are spilled, doesn't mean they are that kind of person. We all are like that. This is why the exes are able to understand and let go. They understand more than we do cos again we are mere observers here while they have had a relationship and know each other more.
This brings me to the subject of this comment - YS and MK care for each other. Ofc, by 'care' I'm not saying they are going to get back together 100%. YS analyzes the problem between them and is rational not completely emotional. Meaning, he thinks about what outcome can come out of the decision he makes. More than HJ, he must be definitely thinking about MK more cos they broke up for a reason after 7-8 years. MK is the base of his decision not any other way around. If he can see them resolving/ compromising/ understanding and working towards a solution, I'm sure it will be MK for him. Boy doesn't want to get back together only to break up again because of the same reason. I don't see a problem with it. However, I see a problem with MK regarding this. She wants YS to change, to make the compromise, to be the person he once used to be (when he had lesser responsibilities in hand). If she approaches the issue this way, it'll be hard for YS. If they can find a balance - MK stepping up to be more understanding and learning to maturely handle the time availability and YS stepping up to find balance between personal and work time, things would definitely turn out great. Again, I'm sorry please don't misunderstand, if MK continues to while like a little child, it'll be super hard on YS who has matured a lot.
It's not about who is popular outside of the show. Every single human on earth is valuable, lovable and deserves respect. That is not the point here. That is a very immature way of thinking. For a relationship to work, it takes more than just 'heart fluttering' or 'love emotion'.. there needs efforts, hard work, compromise, maturity, willingness to listen and learn, pride should be out. And these are easily said than done. For communication to work, both parties must be willing to listen - quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to anger. This is not a one time task or a homework with a deadline but it takes a life time to keep a relationship going strong.
I do not think YS is a bad communicator. People, their issue started during their 7-8 year long relationship. Here they are meeting again with the after effects of their arguments. One of the effects of that argument and issue I see is, YS has given up the hope that MK would understand where he is coming from. He is clear on what he can give in this relationship. I do not judge MK for being immature either. If MK is willing to listen, I'm pretty sure both can work out a solution. Life is not all play no work. Nor is it all work no play. Balance is key.
At this point, YS is pretty clear in his communication - he needs some time to step back and think clearly. I applaud him for this. He is young and still is very thoughtful and mature. I don't blame MK for not listening to him because she is a lot emotionally weaker and poor girl is suffering from all the stress that she is not able to pay attention to him at all. Again, doesn't look like the first time but more like a continuation of what happened since they started having these problems. I can understand YS on why he doesn't want to communicate with her in the show. It's cos MK is saying the same things over and over while msising the most important thing. This shows how serious YS takes his decisions - how serious YS is with MK and also when choosing HJ. There is a lot of hope for this relationship YS/ MK if MK can relax and listen to his needs. She can do it if she puts her mind to it, let's see!
As for mk and ys i can see them getting back together but i don't know what ys will do when he sees how mk actually…
Imo, YS is a thoughtful person. He knows the intention behind her actions right? It is her desperation to get back together, that she is still not over him.
Also, I'm not sure if MK has brought up marriage as the prime subject so far. Maybe next episode we'll get to see. But based on ep 17 or preview of ep 18, I can only see her desperate attempts to show him that she wants him back, that she is still the same as when they were dating. Besides YS and MK go wayyy back and they are deeply bonded. With HJ, it is still fresh. They still haven't talked about deeper stuff which is essential to say they have made up their mind.
I am curious why is hj best match SY ? Just because he is old and financially stable ? That's not what hj is looking…
Hmm.. not the best but maybe 50-50.
If we remove the dramatic editing and music, there are a few things that stand out.
One is, at first HJ was interested in getting back together with SY, which he messed up by using the words 'I felt liberated'. Yk, HJ puts a lot of emphasis on words right. SY now knows and understands what he couldn't provide for her during the time they were dating. This realisation is as important as acting upon it. If SY can put it into action, there's a high chance.
SY is also serious with her. He is mature and is thinking about a future with her. He doesn't mind if HJ cannot tidy up her place. He only has eyes for her. In this case, it is highly likely that he will pay attention to her needs. Ofc, this means he cannot say his potential partner should be able to 'self manage'. Showing affection doesn't mean she is unable to take care of herself. For example, picking her from work, making plans, being proactive. Again priorities. If he can understand what hos partner wants and is able to work on it, maybe there's a chance. I used 'maybe' cos personalities cannot change so easily. That's his nature. I wonder how long he can keep being a hardworking romantic.
Even after all this, she still chose him as the person she initially wanted to get back together with right? This means that, as they talked about during their chat, if he can understand her emotional needs, then much will be settled regarding their issues.
He is mature, has realized what he lacks that HJ needs - finding someone to blame and quick to judge. Now that he has realized, he needs to start working on it. Again 50-50. You can't help but compare him with BH. He is a natural.
Ofc, he is desperate. He is vividly tormented by HJ's interest in YS. And he has never been confused with his feelings. HJ, at this point, doesn't really click well with SY. What she needs is sth more than what SY can give. And what she needs is nothing grand - affection and kindness. In this aspect, BH seems to know her better. If he understands that, there is a good chance. Ofc, him trying to sabotage HJ/ YS' growing fondness is childish but that also shows desperation and earnestness. Again, I'm not saying I support this.
Thing is, they aren't strangers but people who were once in love. Also, it's not like SY suddenly changed directions. He sent his very 2nd message to HJ asking to talk alone. So, this is a way to show that he will do whatever it takes to get her attention. It might also be because as long as her eyes are fixed on YS, he won't get a chance to talk to her or change her mind [like what WJ is doing with JY]. Again, I'm just trying to see their perspectives. I neither agree not disagree to this method.
Reminding again. It's a 50-50 for them. Out of all her choices - YS, BH, SY - SY seems like the closest possibility. It's realistic with SY. Again, this doesn't mean they are perfect. It's just based on the options available.
Idk but I keep thinking YS and MK will end up together either now or after the show. All that they need is a little compromise. Same with JH/ WK couple.
I also think that, please don't get me wrong, HJ is better leaving the show alone or her best match is SY if he can be a bit more affectionate and understanding. It's a 50-50.
With JY/ WJ, it's either them together or leaving the show alone and work out things after the show. Both are good people and it's understandable why JY is so upset. WJ, boy show her your sincerity and let's hope for the best.
BH/ YN are good. Would be nice if they can take their time and continue getting closer after the show.
Aww JaeH, he seems to be a very nice person. Is there no other catfish. It'll be absurd to introduce one at the last moment but who knows? He was a bit immature back then, young and spent a lot of time gaming right? I really want to see how he has grown after the 6 years. Hope he can grow his career and find someone genuine.
If you say u are not 100% sure about reuniting, then you actions should say that you are looking about for ur…
Well we never know! Yk how they show one thing, but something different happens after the show right? At this point, I'll just go with the flow. This is after all a TV program. Emotions run deeper than this short span of a entertainment program. We'll know the reality, maybe after the show ends perhaps (?)
If, even after all the drama from their exes, YS/ HJ relationship ends up a success, then mannnn.
In the next episode, I believe we will get to see WK/ JH. Hope they are able to clear up the misunderstandings and solve the issue. Breaks my heart to see a couple not ending up together, especially after having a serious relationship and talks of marriage.
Ooooh I love this!!!! I first watched Soo Young in 'Tell Me What You Saw' and fell in love with her acting. This kind of drama is exactly the one for her. Being paired with a matured cast, a matured role, confident queen role, intellectual, bold. This suits Soo Young. This is my 2nd drama of hers that I fell in love with.
Kim Jae Yeong is so handsome, cute and the visual pairing & chemistry is soo far soo good. Excited about the next episodes. The story telling is amazing. They have ignited hopes just with 2 episodes. Hope the fire lasts till the end. Fighting!
Ikr! It was a little bit disappointing. Instead of doing this, they could utilize the time to show their sincerity…
Ikr! But given the short time, maybe it's difficult to keep being polite. It's complicated tbh. There's a lot of pressure especially since they have only a few days left until their final choice.
Sang Won was really nice. It's only towards the end, he expressed that he has one more person that he wants to talk to. Tbh, I understand why Ye Eun is displeased. But, is it that bad for him to want to talk to another person? This is their very first date and conversation right? Did she expect him to say 'No you are the only one right now' or sth? Maybe the way he spoke was straightforward?
At least, I wish she would face the entirety of what happened - that she liked her date with Sang Won until he said that. Idk.. I just started taking an interest in her during her date with Sang Won but right now I'm a little disappointed with her.. :(
Currently watching episode 2 and so far I have laughed a lot. The noona-dongsaeng dynamics is so hilarious.. the generation gaps LOL! It's also so cute.. since I'm still in the beginning of the show, sometimes it feels so painful to watch the boys because they may want to seem like a man to the women but they may come across as cute. Haha! Hmm.. but I'm enjoying the show as is. I think, like Bo Hwi (Hee?) answered Mu Jin, the best they can expect from 9 days together under special conditions is develop an interest towards someone whom they think they can potentially see outside the show. Falling in love during 9 days seems impossible, but if that happens to any of them, then wow!!
However, given the kind of situation they are in and the time pressure and the fact that HJ is super interested in YS, strategically his moves are legit brave. Cos man got to do what he needs to do in a show like this. He isn't interested in anyone else and he can't be sitting around waiting. I think it's nice of him to at least tell her his honest thoughts about how he is going to interfere. Hahahaha! Idk, man he is so funny I can't hate him! I mean, if he actually does sth bad, I'm not gonna find him funny anymore. Nevertheless, he isn't the villain type. Just man trying his best to win over HJ whether it works or not. Heh!
First of all, both YS and MK care for each other deeply. And yes, haha even I was thinking if YS was really ESFJ and not a 'T'. Okay, jokes aside, they both express differently. Just because MK cries, has a meltdown, whines and throws a tantrum, her eye veins popping, and YS going on dates doesn't mean YS doesn't care. On a surface level it seems so, doesn't it? However, there is a huge gap between the way they express their feelings and handle emotions or issues. The maturity level is very different for them.
Let's not forget that they both started dating when they were still in school. However, as time goes by, don't people grow up and mature fast? This is what I perceive happened with them. YS is a lot thoughtful and mature. He thinks about how his words and actions would affect, while MK seems to be the same girl from school. I'm not saying one thing is better over the other. But I'm merely saying they are at different paces in life. He has added responsibilities and is an adult. MK is not there yet.
From their conversations, I can't help but observe that YS is practical and realistic. Just think about it. They clearly had a problem. Probably it built slowly over the years or at some point in their lives. If a person was serious, wouldn't they carefully think about how to solve the problem? I can't see MK thinking about it from that angle. She blames him for everything and YS admits to it. But in any breakup, both the parties have responsibilities. MK is quite not mature enough to understand things. Her conversations are one sided and she behaves like a child (please don't misunderstand). Blaming the other person 100% is not a mature thing at all. In a relationship, there is not just good times but hard times as well. Learning to compromise is crucial. The matter at hand is important.
YS is a freelancer and is building his career while MK is still a student. He has a lot more pressure and what he said is realistic - that he can't say no to a project since freelancing is not a stable job. This is reality. He is young too, mind you. Just a year older than her. At this point, yes it is going to be hard for MK. But I'm not sure if career was the only hindrance. I can't help but imagine if she had nagged him a lot just like how she does in the show, man trust me it's seriously going to be exhausting for the partner.
Let's not forget, it's not just hard for MK, but YS as well. Let's not forget that he wasn't goofing around making MK lonely. He had to grab at every opportunity he got to establish the career especially since he is freelancing. This is a relationship and it's not a cake walk. This needs efforts, nurturing, patience.
I can't help but see how sad YS was inthe beginning and how excited MK was. She went on dates with all of them. At that point YS was watching her and was passive towards everyone else. Still MK was angry that YS was awake in the night chatting. This is anger and revenge. She goes on dates but she wants him to sleep. This is anger. She has not understood him still. He is lively in a peaceful and happy environment and he was getting along with BH a lot. Man needs a break too.
This is not to defend one and point at the other. I try to see the big picture. Unless MK calms down and listens, YS is not going to want to speak. Is MK truly wants him back, she is going to have to learn to have a calm conversation and more importantly listen to his thoughts. If confronted, cornered, any man would want to run away like SY said. This is reality.
Both MK and YS care for each other. MK gave attention to others first and then decided on YS while YS gave attention to MK first and then decided to explore sth new. I still believe there is a lot of potential for them to get back together. Only hope they learn from this experience. YS wanted MK to give him some time to step back and think. That is exactly what he is doing. I hope he makes the choice for himself. MK wants to get back together? For what? is my question. Putting the blame entirely on the other person and demanding them to change is not the right way of thinking. Either they both work together to solve the problem between them or they find their respective suitable partners outside. End.
Love this couple so much for their honesty. Understanding YS requires careful observation cos he speaks carefully and thoughtfully. He doesn't like misunderstandings or a conversation that produces no productive outcome. He is full of affection and cares a lot about the other person. He also tries to be as respectful as he can - reason why he stops the conversation with MK when he perceives it going in a negative direction. He cherishes the memories and is careful approaching a subject. Remember in the beginning when MK was upset that he spent late nights with the housemates while with her he was always tired? He stayed quiet and accepted the scolding from her though he was very upset too. Later when MK started scolding him and nagging him, he boiled over too. It doesn't mean he doesn't care. He has rights to express emotions as much as MK. YS also seems to be the kind of person who quietly takes care of you. For example, the shrimp situation when he told HJ he isn't a picky eater and can eat anything. Also, on the Japan date, he doesn't like to go on ferry wheel but did it for the other person. If he can do this for a new person, I can only imagine how much he would have done for MK during their long relationship. Ofc, over the period, when many sacrifices are made, people get frustrated thinking they have their life and choices too. It's normal people. Again, not saying MK didn't do that. She is very very affectionate and I remember how she quietly sat by his side when he was sleeping on the sofa and covered him without disturbing his sleep. I wish she knows that he still gets tired and falls asleep. Lol! Anyway, this is just to talk about what kind of person YS seems to be.
Now coming to the YS/ HJ dynamics, both have the mature side though YS still feels like a boy but HJ is more mature. However, YS is thoughtful, which is his natural personality. He took things slow in the beginning. Never leaned toward one person or sth. He was all about MK. Again, he doesn't express it like BH doesn't mean he is indifferent. Tbh, since he is the type to not say everything and is very very thoughtful before speaking, I am glad that he has friends who he can laugh with and distract himself. Hmm.. if you remember, he doesn't answer every question. He also needs time to process before speaking or making a decision which I think is very good. Instead of being emotionally led and changing his mind often, he tends to think deeply before deciding what he wants to say or do. If you remember, once on a date with HJ, he asks her to give him 5 minutes before he speaks. Many viewers who are upset with YS and hate him miss this trait of his. I'm not saying, after he thinks he is perfect in his word or action. I'm saying he seems to be a very sincere person. The reason why he took a long time to open up to others and the reason why he avoids MK cos MK isn't the type of calms address issues. And she has a lot of misunderstandings towards YS which I think is very sad.
Sorry for talking a lot about YS/ MK. I thought that was where a lot of his feelings were captured.
Anyway HJ/ YS -> Both are quite alike in a way. They both take it slowly. Both were hung up on their exes and did not fully immerse in each other. For them, things have started only after Japan. Again, only started, we don't know how it'll go. But given how thoughtful and sincere they are towards their feelings and choices, I'm sure whatever they choose will definitely be well thought out and towards a serious choice, not just emotionally driven or a temporary heart fluttering feeling. They tend to think ahead which is what I like.
Also, it is precisely because YS is very careful with words or expressing himself, I cannot say 100% what he thinks or feels. What I understand is, he needs a partner who can match his wavelength, who can listen and express honestly. This is very much needed so compromises can be made where necessary. I think HJ can absolutely fulfill this part. She is realistic and he is realistic as well. If you remember, when conversing with SY, he thought HJ liked someone tall and handsome but HJ tells him that she is looking for someone who is kind and considerate. Then again, in their room (I think ?), SY once again brings up the 'good-looking' point. Good-looking is only for first attraction. After that comes the real part, the kind of person they are. HJ needs someone who understands her, who can honestly express themselves, who knows what she needs. I can see YS having all of these qualities - is mature, can listen well, can speak thoughtfully. I remember BH tell the same - that YS is thoughtful. Even in Japan, when choosing their ex-date, SY still believed HJ would be interested in YS because he is good-looking (smh!). BH understands her a lot better than SY. SMH. Anyway, another thing I like about YS is he has never prioritized 'looks' just like HJ. Both of them like honesty, can hold clear communication and are very sincere towards the choice they make.
Now, I'm not able to comment much on YS/ HJ. Maybe because they have butterflies but we are yet to see deeper conversations. Things that matter like their career, the time they can make for each other, HJ's plan to marry young. This is what reality is. Heart flutters will pass away sooner or later. But whether their goals and expectations match is the point for a serious decision. Here is where my concern lies. YS is too young. HJ is ready for marriage. Oh, btw I do not support SY just because he is ready to marry. Nope. Marriage is more serious than dating. So if SY wants to marry HJ, he first needs to clear his head and pay attention to her. I'm worries about YS. HJ is pretty clear with her choice. So far, YS has only said 'It's you' when talking about the woman who makes him curious and the woman who makes his heart flutter. It is not the answer that includes his interest towards his ex.
Another thing I like is HJ gives him time to sort out his feelings. This will definitely sit well with YS cos MK is impatient.
I'm glad about two things - YS stepping up his game. Initially he was not interested to open up to other females. He even spoke about this to WK. Glad that he had WK as his roommate who helped him sort out his dilemma regarding age gap.
Other thing I'm glad about is HJ realizing she has to be sincere with her feelings. Not only did she learn this but is beautifully implementing it. This is a really cool aspect.
With YS/ HJ, it's either a hit or a miss. Again, HJ is clear. The ball lies with YS. Will he shoot or walk away? Thing is he knows YS more than what we know during this show. MK seems to take majority of his thoughts. Oh, it doesn't seem like it right? But I think, he is avoiding her because of arguements and not healthy conversations. However, this doesn't at all mean that they won't overcome it. Either MK will try and understand his perspective or they will compromise. There is even a chance where even if MK is still the same and doesn't compromise, YS will choose her and work things out after the show. As much as I like for YS and HJ to work, it's the same as what she told BH. Only one person cannot make a connection work. So now it all depends on YS.
Again, we have 2 problems at hand. Oh I love HJ that she is really clear in communication and is patient - one is HJ is concerned about YS/ MK. She will never get between them if she senses both are leaning towards each other. In which case, if SY steps up she may give him a chance else she will leave alone and be happy after the show. Two is, her desire to get married young. I believe whole heartedly that if YS chooses HJ, then marriage will not be a stopper for them.. This is not about YS didn't commit to MK but he commits to HJ? Nope. For marriage to work, take WK/ JH example. They were so in love and when it comes to marriage, WK was a lot serious which led him to breakup with her (and ofc maybe many other reasons). This is why I believe for YS marriage will, at least, not be a huge reason why he wouldn't continue with the person of interest. It is about whether the marriage will bring peace or chaos. Period. I'm not dismissing the age factor at all. That will definitely be a major point to consider as well but whether the marriage will work with the person is more important. So yea, these 2 genuine concerns for HJ. Personally I'd love it for YS/ HJ to work but realistically not sure. Keeping my fingers crossed.
I'll try to put my thoughts based on what I've observed. If there is anything that mismatches with your perspective or you have fresh observations, please feel free to share. So here we go ~
HJ (Hyun Ji) / BH (Baek Hyun) couple - Very interesting couple and this couple dynamics might be confusing for some viewers. We need to put aside our personal feelings to get the reality of what's going on. At least this is what I think.
HJ, as far as I have observed, is very honest. She has a really good analysis of her feelings and emotions. What I mean is, initially she did not have any desire to get back together with BH but she did have those thoughts towards SY. However, once she met them during the prelim interview, she seems to be affected a lot by the way both of them treated her. Let me break this down a bit further - BH treated her sweetly, his words, his eyes were full of that sweetness and adoration. Meanwhile, SY, no need to blame him, spoke his thoughts straightforwardly [he said he felt liberated after their breakup). This was an unexpected response from someone she had a mind to work things out with. So, things changed right from the prelim for her. And she was able to recognize it and express it clearly. This was what I liked about her. With BH, she was able to reminisce the passionate love while with SY she remembers how he treated her. [which we can observe very clearly during their very first couch conversation in Japan].
I honestly 100% believe that if SY had spoken carefully during their prelim, now mind you this is their first official meeting as far as the show is concerned, things would absolutely be different for them. Now I'm not saying they would have ended up together. But at least, she wouldn't have closed off so soon with him. She got hurt and anyone in her shoes, would be hurt too.
Now, she is the catfish right? This means, she appears after the others have at least bonded a little bit. They have formed interests, observed others more. Now she joins, and being a shy person wants to lean on BH. Now, I don't mean to say she wants to get back together or gain his interest. Here let me break down why HJ was crying about him and to him - So HJ had date with YS right? If you recollect carefully, she was so funny trying to talk to YS whenever BH was around. She was very careful not to let her actions bother BH. This was what she expected from BH. However, from BH's perspective, HJ did not text him so he interpreted it as her not having any interest in getting back together. Meanwhile, HJ did not text him because she did not want to confuse him when she is not 100%. Is there anything wrong with how they think? Absolutely not! And HJ was careful whenever BH was around. I have never seen her flirting or talking loudly or dismissing BH to show attention to others whenever BH was around. This, to her, is the respect given to an ex whom, even though are no longer together, they once were in love with.
However, from BH's perspective, HJ did not show any signs that she was interested in him, so he focused on getting to know a new person. Is there anything wrong with this? Absolutely not! Both of them were 50-50 imo. HJ was clear while BH was figuring out his feelings based on HJ's approach. This was where misunderstandings started to build. Both are good people just considerate towards each other in different ways. Alright!
Now, I could always see HJ having her interest in BH only, Now, don't misunderstand me. With YS, she enjoyed her dates, yes. However once they were back, both YS and HJ were more focused on their exes. I'll get to this separately when writing the HJ/ YS portion. But in BH's eyes, he had already determined that HJ and YS were interested in each other. (now I'm really surprised by how intuitive he is - he chose YS for HJ, also knew that SY was going to choose YN for his first date).
Here is the catch - We are observing this as a third person right? Imagine squid game. Players were out there and the bad guy watched it on big TV? That's what our position is LOL! So, players are a lot tormented by emotions and feelings than we can ever imagine, just sitting in front of a screen and watching every angle. Now yeah the catch - so HJ did her utmost best to not bother BH by interacting openly with YS, by displaying her affection or interest towards him. However, BH is super intuitive and knew what was going on between them - their dates and interests I mean. This we know but HJ doesn't. Ofc, we know why she didn't text him. But other than that she was very respectful towards BH. By this, I don't mean she never showed interest towards YS. What I mean is, she didn't brag about it in front of YS. She didn't deliberatly try and talk to YS or other participants leaving BH out. This is where BH was different. Here, from what I observed, BH was always lingering around HJ but talking to other girls. Ofc, I'm not going to blame him or scold him but I wonder if he did this to get her attention or check her reactions or to make her jealous, idk. What I know is it wasn't ill-intentioned. To BH, HJ didn't send him a message so she wasn't interested. However he was LOL! He was waiting for her to make the first move. I'm not sure whethere this sparked from the way they broke up or because he felt he showered her a lot of lvoe and wanted her to do the same. Not sure. One thing I see is BH, howmuchever intuitive he is, he is also not very good in understanding her needs.. very well. But this isn't his fault or sth. Everyone is wired differently. What I liked about BH is he was willing to speak clearly and listen clearly. I love that about this couple.
Anyway, so HJ is into BH the most before Japan. Now, let me explain. This doesn't mean we can ask why then she jumped to YS. Nope. That is not at all what's going on. With BH, she was only 50-50 or whatever the ratio, it wasn't 100%. Otherwise, given her honest nature, she would've showed no interest in anyone other than BH. She has said this many times. Then why did she say she still liked BH right before Japan trip? Hmm.. remember their night long conversation where he apologised for his behaviour (I think it was right for him to apologize. Cos people tone it down a bit infront of the person who you used to love at least in this ridiculous environment), BH kept asking her decision. This is where it's different between BH and HJ. BH always seeks a 'yes' or 'no' but HJ is realistic. She says it's confusing if it's confusing. That's genuinity and authenticity. It's okay to say that if that is what you feel. Every single one of them is like that and that makes us human. But lol, even BH was not a 'yes' or a 'no'. It was conditional.
BH to HJ: if you say 'yes', then I'd think about a 'yes'. But f you say 'no', then I'm a 'no' too. Haha! Mannn.
So, during the time HJ spends with the participants, she realizes that it is better to be sincere towards her feelings than to be prideful. Good girl. She learns this and this was why she told him that maybe she still likes him. Now BH has already developed interest in YN. So, it gets difficult for him. He is exactly like HJ though he kept denying them. Poor boy! Anyway, BH cannot take this gladly and conversation is over.
Now HJ is very clear. People tend to miss out on important details. Feelings cannot be measured and labelled you people. SMH. Anyway what she means is, it takes two to tango. Meaning since they are already broken up, both parties must be willing to get back together and mend their relationship. Isn't that wise? And doesn't that make sense? If only HJ were to keep tugging at BH, how can this work? Example, MK and YS. MK keeps tugging at YS's heart but YS needs some time to think realistically. It's the same. This is why I like HJ a lot. She is the oldest girl there and very thoughtful and mature. Ofc, BH acknowledges HJ's point during their balcony conversation. When she confessed to him, it wasn't like she was 100% into him. She expressed her feelings and if BH had said something that gave hope, they would have conversed more on whether it would work or how to work things out. But to her it was a closure. Let me explain: she let go of her pride and told him what she was feeling. She was honest. This honesty is needed to move forward no matter what the outcome is. And to him, he had been waiting to hear this but the timing was inconvenient for both. Again, we aren't robots but humans with feelings and emotions. It is okay for her to be honest and face her feelings and it is okay for the timing to be late. It is also okay for BH to say 'we should have never met. we should go back to the early 20s again.' Ofc, this meant it's getting complicated. It is okayyy. It is normal. People need to go thru their honest feelings to take the next step. This is what is misisng so far with MK/ YS. Alright next.
Now Japan date arrives, HJ and YS go together, grow a bit closer, try to give themselves a chance to get to know each other. HJ is clear with her direction. BH gets confused again because YS says HJ was honest with her feelings towards him. And this confusion is very very normal. We watched everything while they only know something. So, to BH it must have seemed like 'hey didn't HJ just say that she was still interested in me. Then how come she says she is interested in YS?' I believe this is a very normal confusion for anyone to have. Now what really happened is what HJ explains to him in the balcony. I have explained that above as well. This happened in Episode 16 right? In Episode 17, BH and HJ have a very friendly vibe. Altho' idk why BH keeps being curious about what HJ and YS did, I can say one thing. We aren't robots to just shut down this and power on that.
All we know is BH has chosen YN and is honest with her regarding what he is going thru. I don't see anything happening b/w BH and HJ. What I'm seeing is them being back to post breakup and ready to move on. All this feelings/ confusions (before Japan) happened cos both of them were reminiscing their past and remembered their past affections. But they never had the intention 100% to get back together. That was why it was clean and closed. Whatever they choose, I'll root for them. I like how they have resolved their misunderstandings. They were able to do so only because they recognized their confusion, feelings, emotions and addressed them honestly and maturely end of the day. Since they both have new interests, this will help both of them to move on even more smoothly. However, if one of them slips again into past memories and gets confused, as long as the other person is firm, it won't work. I wish them all the best!
Again, I'm not saying MK did not understand him or she was less responsible. No. MK is a genuinely great girl but the wavelength changed between them. She was still young, studying, lesser work responsibilities as compared to YS. The way she communicates with him shows that she is still the sweet little girl but ofc amazing woman who adjusted a lot to YS especially when his career intensified. It must have been really hard for her cos the changes must have happened slowly and she might have felt like 'maybe if I wait a little bit, things might change' or 'maybe the work pressure will reduce in some time'.
Not sure how this frustration was communicated. But this is just my guess based on their communication style in the show - YS is mature and thinks on a broader perspective. He is so thoughtful and always approaches carefully. MK is emotionally driven, though she has a good heart and good intentions [Remember when SY talked about shaking things up between YS/ HJ, he did advice her to be calm cos if she confronted him or cornered him, YS might run away]. Again, I'm not saying this is right or that is right. It's okay. Different people handle issues differently. Just because YS has not shown emotions, doesn't mean he doesn't feel anything for MK.
Let me give another example - Look at WK/ JH. WK has always been calm no matter how much jealous he felt whenever JH showed interest in other guys. He admitted that JH was angry at him. At the same time, JH has reasons to be mad at him and shows it so emotionally. She is emotionally driven. Again, see WJ/ JY.. JY was emotionally driven as well, when she showed jealousy and anger after WJ told her about MK. And the noodles situation. I'm saying it's normal for different people to react differently, for different people to handle issues differently. There is no right or wrong here when they are angry/ upset. People's heart is greater than an emotional outburst. In anger, many words are spilled, doesn't mean they are that kind of person. We all are like that. This is why the exes are able to understand and let go. They understand more than we do cos again we are mere observers here while they have had a relationship and know each other more.
This brings me to the subject of this comment - YS and MK care for each other. Ofc, by 'care' I'm not saying they are going to get back together 100%. YS analyzes the problem between them and is rational not completely emotional. Meaning, he thinks about what outcome can come out of the decision he makes. More than HJ, he must be definitely thinking about MK more cos they broke up for a reason after 7-8 years. MK is the base of his decision not any other way around. If he can see them resolving/ compromising/ understanding and working towards a solution, I'm sure it will be MK for him. Boy doesn't want to get back together only to break up again because of the same reason. I don't see a problem with it. However, I see a problem with MK regarding this. She wants YS to change, to make the compromise, to be the person he once used to be (when he had lesser responsibilities in hand). If she approaches the issue this way, it'll be hard for YS. If they can find a balance - MK stepping up to be more understanding and learning to maturely handle the time availability and YS stepping up to find balance between personal and work time, things would definitely turn out great. Again, I'm sorry please don't misunderstand, if MK continues to while like a little child, it'll be super hard on YS who has matured a lot.
It's not about who is popular outside of the show. Every single human on earth is valuable, lovable and deserves respect. That is not the point here. That is a very immature way of thinking. For a relationship to work, it takes more than just 'heart fluttering' or 'love emotion'.. there needs efforts, hard work, compromise, maturity, willingness to listen and learn, pride should be out. And these are easily said than done. For communication to work, both parties must be willing to listen - quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to anger. This is not a one time task or a homework with a deadline but it takes a life time to keep a relationship going strong.
I do not think YS is a bad communicator. People, their issue started during their 7-8 year long relationship. Here they are meeting again with the after effects of their arguments. One of the effects of that argument and issue I see is, YS has given up the hope that MK would understand where he is coming from. He is clear on what he can give in this relationship. I do not judge MK for being immature either. If MK is willing to listen, I'm pretty sure both can work out a solution. Life is not all play no work. Nor is it all work no play. Balance is key.
At this point, YS is pretty clear in his communication - he needs some time to step back and think clearly. I applaud him for this. He is young and still is very thoughtful and mature. I don't blame MK for not listening to him because she is a lot emotionally weaker and poor girl is suffering from all the stress that she is not able to pay attention to him at all. Again, doesn't look like the first time but more like a continuation of what happened since they started having these problems. I can understand YS on why he doesn't want to communicate with her in the show. It's cos MK is saying the same things over and over while msising the most important thing. This shows how serious YS takes his decisions - how serious YS is with MK and also when choosing HJ. There is a lot of hope for this relationship YS/ MK if MK can relax and listen to his needs. She can do it if she puts her mind to it, let's see!
Also, I'm not sure if MK has brought up marriage as the prime subject so far. Maybe next episode we'll get to see. But based on ep 17 or preview of ep 18, I can only see her desperate attempts to show him that she wants him back, that she is still the same as when they were dating. Besides YS and MK go wayyy back and they are deeply bonded. With HJ, it is still fresh. They still haven't talked about deeper stuff which is essential to say they have made up their mind.
If we remove the dramatic editing and music, there are a few things that stand out.
One is, at first HJ was interested in getting back together with SY, which he messed up by using the words 'I felt liberated'. Yk, HJ puts a lot of emphasis on words right. SY now knows and understands what he couldn't provide for her during the time they were dating. This realisation is as important as acting upon it. If SY can put it into action, there's a high chance.
SY is also serious with her. He is mature and is thinking about a future with her. He doesn't mind if HJ cannot tidy up her place. He only has eyes for her. In this case, it is highly likely that he will pay attention to her needs. Ofc, this means he cannot say his potential partner should be able to 'self manage'. Showing affection doesn't mean she is unable to take care of herself. For example, picking her from work, making plans, being proactive. Again priorities. If he can understand what hos partner wants and is able to work on it, maybe there's a chance. I used 'maybe' cos personalities cannot change so easily. That's his nature. I wonder how long he can keep being a hardworking romantic.
Even after all this, she still chose him as the person she initially wanted to get back together with right? This means that, as they talked about during their chat, if he can understand her emotional needs, then much will be settled regarding their issues.
He is mature, has realized what he lacks that HJ needs - finding someone to blame and quick to judge. Now that he has realized, he needs to start working on it. Again 50-50. You can't help but compare him with BH. He is a natural.
Ofc, he is desperate. He is vividly tormented by HJ's interest in YS. And he has never been confused with his feelings. HJ, at this point, doesn't really click well with SY. What she needs is sth more than what SY can give. And what she needs is nothing grand - affection and kindness. In this aspect, BH seems to know her better. If he understands that, there is a good chance. Ofc, him trying to sabotage HJ/ YS' growing fondness is childish but that also shows desperation and earnestness. Again, I'm not saying I support this.
Thing is, they aren't strangers but people who were once in love. Also, it's not like SY suddenly changed directions. He sent his very 2nd message to HJ asking to talk alone. So, this is a way to show that he will do whatever it takes to get her attention. It might also be because as long as her eyes are fixed on YS, he won't get a chance to talk to her or change her mind [like what WJ is doing with JY]. Again, I'm just trying to see their perspectives. I neither agree not disagree to this method.
Reminding again. It's a 50-50 for them. Out of all her choices - YS, BH, SY - SY seems like the closest possibility. It's realistic with SY. Again, this doesn't mean they are perfect. It's just based on the options available.
I also think that, please don't get me wrong, HJ is better leaving the show alone or her best match is SY if he can be a bit more affectionate and understanding. It's a 50-50.
With JY/ WJ, it's either them together or leaving the show alone and work out things after the show. Both are good people and it's understandable why JY is so upset. WJ, boy show her your sincerity and let's hope for the best.
BH/ YN are good. Would be nice if they can take their time and continue getting closer after the show.
Aww JaeH, he seems to be a very nice person. Is there no other catfish. It'll be absurd to introduce one at the last moment but who knows? He was a bit immature back then, young and spent a lot of time gaming right? I really want to see how he has grown after the 6 years. Hope he can grow his career and find someone genuine.
Who else is left? All covered.
In the next episode, I believe we will get to see WK/ JH. Hope they are able to clear up the misunderstandings and solve the issue. Breaks my heart to see a couple not ending up together, especially after having a serious relationship and talks of marriage.
Kim Jae Yeong is so handsome, cute and the visual pairing & chemistry is soo far soo good. Excited about the next episodes. The story telling is amazing. They have ignited hopes just with 2 episodes. Hope the fire lasts till the end. Fighting!